What good is armed forces protecting India at border when Hindutvaterror is tearing us from withhin

[Trango Towers]

Unfortunately, it is people like you who need to be sent to 're-education' camps and kept there for a long, long time. Nobody gets taken in by your rotation in place any longer; any attempt to ask for justice is met automatically by your whataboutery; what about the BJP/RSS workers killed in Kerala? and don't they deserve justice? They do; everyone does, under the constitution, but for you, calling for uniform justice to all is more important than asking for justice.



I hope you are right in part; meaning, correct and accurate. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, they've re-defined 'socialists' as left wing, not far right, and they've defined ranjeet as far out.



It's been gloom enough without reading your comment about healthcare and education. We spend peanuts on these two. More later.

Sorry Joe. Will try motto mention them again. Loool

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sorry Joe. Will try motto mention them again. Loool

No, no, these aberrations DESPERATELY need to be, not merely mentioned, but be used to make people angry at the looting that is going on. Please rope in @Kaptaan, he will know without a word being spent exactly what we are talking about.

On another forum, an idiot wanted to do a series on SWAT teams and commando teams being promoted, and their different military equipment, accoutrements (sorry, I couldn't think of a different word) and organisation. When I got crabby on him and said that these were just bureaucratic boondoggles meant to do some gentle empire-building and create new budgets, and new jobs for the boys, he was most upset. To me, otoh, it represents the worst aspect of militarism, the misuse of security to obtain special favours.

You cited my post when ranjeet sickened me with his unctuous hypocrisy; you know very well it had nothing to do with you, except the last two lines.

 

[ranjeet]

Unfortunately, it is people like you who need to be sent to 're-education' camps and kept there for a long, long time. Nobody gets taken in by your rotation in place any longer; any attempt to ask for justice is met automatically by your whataboutery; what about the BJP/RSS workers killed in Kerala? and don't they deserve justice? They do; everyone does, under the constitution, but for you, calling for uniform justice to all is more important than asking for justice.

I am all for Uniform justice, it's just I don't feed on carcasses like you and indulge in fear mongering.

 

[Trango Towers]

No, no, these aberrations DESPERATELY need to be, not merely mentioned, but be used to make people angry at the looting that is going on. Please rope in @Kaptaan, he will know without a word being spent exactly what we are talking about.

On another forum, an idiot wanted to do a series on SWAT teams and commando teams being promoted, and their different military equipment, accoutrements (sorry, I couldn't think of a different word) and organisation. When I got crabby on him and said that these were just bureaucratic boondoggles meant to do some gentle empire-building and create new budgets, and new jobs for the boys, he was most upset. To me, otoh, it represents the worst aspect of militarism, the misuse of security to obtain special favours.

You cited my post when ranjeet sickened me with his unctuous hypocrisy; you know very well it had nothing to do with you, except the last two lines.

Joe. I love all people. And we are pretty much of the same mind. I would rather no one was in the military. That we didn't have borders and we did trade and respected one another.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I am all for Uniform justice, it's just I don't feed on carcasses like you and indulge in fear mongering.

It appears that there is no difference between us, then, other than our diet and our systems of arithmetic. As far as diet goes, two things: go to Times of India, turn to the cartoon pages of their supplement, and look up the old father vulture in the strip Beau Peep. You might gain dietary insights, and, as a bonus, you might get social insights. I am not saying which you need more, that would be cheeky, but it somehow occurs to me that showing you where these hidden treasures lie might prove useful. The second point is that it is healthier to 'feed on carcasses' like me, than to gorge on ideas and prejudices and bigotry that is perhaps millennia old, not enough mere centuries.

Systems of arithmetic must be sorted also; at what point do you think that the systematic killing of intellectuals becomes more than ordinary crime? No, don't tell us what you REALLY think; please dress it up a bit so that nobody actually throws up. Is it five? We are nearly there. Perhaps a more realistic figure like five thousand? Considering the extent of the infestation of the surroundings, you will surely want a permanent solution, unfortunate though each death is, and however much personal anguish it will cause you. Do say what it is. I am deeply interested in your reply, partly for personal reasons.

Joe. I love all people. And we are pretty much of the same mind. I would rather no one was in the military. That we didn't have borders and we did trade and respected one another.

I know that very well, and have known for some time. And don't think that because I don't talk about it on a daily basis, I don't appreciate it and don't reciprocate your feelings.

 

[ranjeet]

Systems of arithmetic must be sorted also; at what point do you think that the systematic killing of intellectuals becomes more than ordinary crime? No, don't tell us what you REALLY think; please dress it up a bit so that nobody actually throws up. Is it five? We are nearly there. Perhaps a more realistic figure like five thousand? Considering the extent of the infestation of the surroundings, you will surely want a permanent solution, unfortunate though each death is, and however much personal anguish it will cause you. Do say what it is. I am deeply interested in your reply, partly for personal reasons.

It's not an ordinary crime but deducing skills for professional breast beaters to blame Hindu right without any shred of evidence is what's reducing fight for justice to a mere farce. How many of these INTELLECTUALS were murdered under the rule of Congress? What happened to the investigation any substantial breakthrough? I am sure Congress would love to use this issue to make sure their newly elected President gets a much needed win under his belt?

 

[Joe Shearer]

It's not an ordinary crime but deducing skills for professional breast beaters to blame Hindu right without any shred of evidence is what's reducing fight for justice to a mere farce. How many of these INTELLECTUALS were murdered under the rule of Congress? What happened to the investigation any substantial breakthrough? I am sure Congress would love to use this issue to make sure their newly elected President gets a much needed win under his belt?

Thoroughly professional approach, and I am full of admiration at your forensic skills. Since the question I have asked is not answerable, it is definitely better to shift goalposts. The fact that the murdered have a common history of opposition, not to the Hindu right, by itself, but to the entire milieu that breeds that mindset, including superstition and ritual resembling mumbo-jumbo, astrology, vaastu and all the rest of that regressive crap that is solely founded by pundits who had nothing better to do with their time but to find ways to extort money from the gullible, is of course not relevant for you. That an organisation has been named as a suspect, that the bullet striations were found to be identical, showing that the same gang is at work, that the famed NIA, capable of extracting confessions from stone, is unable to make headway, is not relevant.

No, what is relevant is that these people were murdered within Congress states; the relevance is not very clear. Kim's half-brother was murdered in Kuala Lumpur, in Malaysia; that, of course, by your standards, convicts the Malaysians. How much longer will you keep up this desperate rear-guard action, @ranjeet? And of course, the slow pace of the investigation is another factor showing that the guilty were not really guilty; or was there some other point you wanted to make? Would you have preferred the wonderful performance of the Haryana police, from Gurugram, no less, heart of the Hindu Right, that found the murderer of a school child within hours, only to have to watch the complete destruction of its phony case when real policemen started digging into it?

I am sure you have better things to observe within your own noisome grouping than the performance or the lack of it of the Congress president, and better reasons for sticking to the Murder Party than the corruption, dynastic rule and cynical misuse of its own reputation among the minorities for the cheapest political purposes that the Congress has come to represent.

 

[jamahir]

Joe. I love all people. And we are pretty much of the same mind. I would rather no one was in the military. That we didn't have borders and we did trade and respected one another.

This deserves a positive rating.

 

[T-123456]

What good is armed forces protecting India at the border when Hindutva terror is tearing us from within?

The Oxford dictionary defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims".

I am sticking my neck out despite knowing that I may be subjected to intense trolling by the "thekedars of Hindutva" (Hindutva's custodians) to say that events of the last few years indicate that we are slowly but steadily slipping into an era of terrorism of a different kind, which I suspect has the tacit support of powers that be.

The disgust and burden of guilt since the time a "friend" sent me the video of the brutal killing of a Muslim named Mohammad Afrazul in Rajsamand, Rajasthan in the name of "love jihad" is so intense that I cannot let it torment me any longer. After the heinous act, killer Shambu Lal Regar audaciously proclaimed that "all such persons" will meet the same fate.

Through this act of terror, the murderer has brought disgrace to my great religion which advocates Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam. He deserves no mercy and the strictest possible punishment should be given to him not only for the wanton murder but also for inciting communal hatred.

Further appalling is the fact that some so-called educated and intelligent people are celebrating the crime and have even promised financial support for his family. The fringe is leaving no stone unturned to spread terror among minorities and incite communal tension by circulating this video with explicit violent content.

This vicious campaign against "love jihad" launched by the right-wing fringe is undoubtedly aimed at terrorising minorities as it is invariably waged against men of minority community marrying girls from the majority community. In one such alleged instance of love jihad in Kerala, the Supreme Court had to intervene to find out the free will of Hadiya, a 25-year-old woman married to a Muslim man.

It is abominable that an adult woman, who has decided to marry a person of her choice and convert to another religion, is subjected to torture by people, who consider themselves the custodians of religious beliefs. Interestingly, love jihad is not waged against men of majority religion marrying women from the minority community.

Terrorism is further being spread through wanton killings of people in the name of "gau raksha" and in some cases only because of their religious identity. From the lynching of Pehlu Khan in Rajasthan's Alwar over allegations of cow smuggling to the killing of a young boy, Junaid, over a minor altercation for a seat in a train, this brand of terror is spreading.

Several other incidents, which are nothing less than terror, targeting people of the minority community can be recounted like the lynching of Mohammad Akhlaq at Dadri in Uttar Pradesh on September 28, 2015, lynching of two Muslims in March 2016 by cow vigilantes and again in June this year, in Jharkhand.

This terrorism is no more targeted just again Muslims. The Christians have also been at the receiving end of hate crimes. Recent outrage against carol singers in Madhya Pradesh and vandalising of churches just before Delhi Assembly elections can be classified in the same league. The diktat of the Hindu Jagran Manch against Christmas celebrations in Aligarh and another one in Agra go on to indicate that the fringe is expanding its reach and Christians may also no longer be safe from their wrath.

The right-wing fringe also does not tolerate any dissent and spreads terrorism through intimidation and murder of rationalists and activists. The murder of journalist-turned-activist Gauri Lankesh by unidentified men in September this year attracted a lot of media attention. The case is still under investigation but the Hindu fringe elements have invited suspicion through utter lack of civility by hurling choicest of abuses at the deceased through Twitter.

The incident drew the focus back to the murder of Narendra Dabholkar, a known rationalist, in 2013 by criminals suspected to be belonging to the same fringe groups. Dabholkar's only crime was that he dared to question several irrational practices and beliefs prevalent among Hindus through his organisation Maharashtra Andhashraddha Nirmoolan Samiti. MM Kalburgi and Govind Pansare met the same fate in August 2015. They are suspected to have been killed by a fringe organisation called Sanatan Sanstha.

There are eerie similarities among the four murders mentioned above. The deceased were opinionated, fearless in expressing their beliefs and had infuriated the fringe by their efforts to expose orthodoxy and irrational practices. Their murders were not isolated acts of crime. These were well-planned and executed with professional finesse and apparently had the backing of organised groups.

Repeated attacks on freedom of expression by the fringe elements also extend to curbing creativity. The protests against Padmavati have ensured the movie's release is put on hold. This is not an isolated instance and the fringe has often indulged in violent protests against works of creativity demanding bans on any narrative that it finds unsuitable.

Threats of death and violence have been issued against artists starting from MF Hussain to Salman Rushdie. Deepika Padukone too received beheading threats from a person no less than an office-bearer of the ruling BJP in Haryana.

The disturbing trend has gained lot of momentum during the last three years or so. The fringe appears to feel safe in the knowledge that these acts will not invite action or condemnation. The absence of condemnation by those in power is often interpreted as tacit approval by the lumpens, which further emboldens them.

Is this the nation for which our armed forces fight and make sacrifices? Is this the country which our forefathers dreamt of? Is this the India that we wish to hand over to our children? Doesn't our conscious prick us and make us feel despondent, disgraced and ashamed?

If we collectively do not condemn such acts of terror and the authorities take urgent steps to stop them, soon the idea of India will begin to disintegrate.


https://www.dailyo.in/voices/narend...or-deepika-padukone-hadiya/story/1/21285.html

From my childhood i have known Hindus and Budhists as peace loving people,i believed they loved all living creatures and wouldnt even touch insects.
What happened to that thought,isnt that what the Hindu gods and Budha teach us or am i wrong?

 

[ranjeet]

Thoroughly professional approach, and I am full of admiration at your forensic skills. Since the question I have asked is not answerable, it is definitely better to shift goalposts. The fact that the murdered have a common history of opposition, not to the Hindu right, by itself, but to the entire milieu that breeds that mindset, including superstition and ritual resembling mumbo-jumbo, astrology, vaastu and all the rest of that regressive crap that is solely founded by pundits who had nothing better to do with their time but to find ways to extort money from the gullible, is of course not relevant for you. That an organisation has been named as a suspect, that the bullet striations were found to be identical, showing that the same gang is at work, that the famed NIA, capable of extracting confessions from stone, is unable to make headway, is not relevant.

No, what is relevant is that these people were murdered within Congress states; the relevance is not very clear. Kim's half-brother was murdered in Kuala Lumpur, in Malaysia; that, of course, by your standards, convicts the Malaysians. How much longer will you keep up this desperate rear-guard action, @ranjeet? And of course, the slow pace of the investigation is another factor showing that the guilty were not really guilty; or was there some other point you wanted to make? Would you have preferred the wonderful performance of the Haryana police, from Gurugram, no less, heart of the Hindu Right, that found the murderer of a school child within hours, only to have to watch the complete destruction of its phony case when real policemen started digging into it?

I am sure you have better things to observe within your own noisome grouping than the performance or the lack of it of the Congress president, and better reasons for sticking to the Murder Party than the corruption, dynastic rule and cynical misuse of its own reputation among the minorities for the cheapest political purposes that the Congress has come to represent.

Here is the latest news on the type of gun used in these murder ...

"The second case is of Shashidar Mundewadi, a sharp shooter arrested after it was found he had bought a 7.65 mm gun from Hussain, who is a guns dealer as well. Mundewadi was arrested as he was preparing for a similar killing allegedly plotted by popular tabloid editor Ravi Belegere to eliminate his own colleague."

http://www.news18.com/news/india/tw...auri-lankesh-murder-sit-steps-in-1598901.html

Gauri Lankesh did tweeted something on similar lines where she was asking people to stop infighting, I won't be surprised if someone from own cabal gave her supari. But considering you held Hindu Right Wing guilty in your own kangaroo court let's not discuss other possibilities.

Well what's stopping Congress to bring in the real policemen to start digging into these murder cases? Is it the fear that they won't be able to extract maximum political mileage from the outrage?

 

[YogaMudra]

Most probably a crypto christian.

BINGO.

His wife is "Annie Raja".

His full name is Doraiswamy Raja. But don't be fooled by that name, there used to be a Bishop in CSI (church of south India) called Solomon Doraiswamy.

In case you did not know, the CSI was set up by the British and is the desi successor of the church of England.

There will always be socialists, hindutwawadis, jihadis , Christian evangelists and other far right groups operating in India.
It is for the Indian democracy to decide the future of our country and till now fortunately we are strictly secular.
So don’t keep high hope for the sanghis to implement their designs in India.

What Rubbish.

We are certainly not "secular" as per our constitution since we have separate laws for people of different religion.

You must be one of those idiots who think that repeating "secular" a 100 times would make something secular.