What do people of Pakistan think about Gandhi

[ito]

Bose's struggle achieved you nothing.

That is a very controversial remark by you. Can you backup your claims?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

He is not our founding father..our country is more than 10,000 years old and Gandhi did not have anything to do with its foundation

India was never a united country in the real sense.. it was a sub continent with hundreds of "countries" lead by local monarchs... india was merely united by conquest by mughals n british...

Gandhi is the founder of modern india.

I did not abuse him..my point was he tried to appease Muslims taking Hindus for granted..today neither Hindus nor Muslims have any respect for him..there are hundreds of vulgarnjokes on Gandhi in India.Younger generation treat him as a joker.
For us bhagat Singh and subhash Bose are role models and real selfless freedom fighters.

Dhobi kaa kutta na that ka na ghaat ka..people like Gandhi were more interested to gain popularity and to be called mahatmas...he is neither respected in India now nor in pak for whom he fought (to be in good books of Muslims)

That is a very controversial remark by you. Can you backup your claims?

Can you prove otherwise? the so called azad hind fouj achieved nothing.

 

[Styx]

shamefull to see indians abusing their founding father.

I don't get this "father of nation" business, kya father ? ghanta father.. "father" my ***..

need to move on from the partition hangover already, jo hua so hua.. it was a bloody and painful separation for all involved at the time, soon there will be no one alive on either side who lived through it, maybe then...

 

[dravidianhero]

shamefull to see indians abusing their founding father.


in my books - i have respect for gandhi... and hatred for nehru.

I have to agree with you here. It is indeed shameful but not to worry his feelings are held by minority in India "Hopefully".

Nehru has a mixed legacy in India, while we appreciate his efforts for nation building, he was an ambitious fool, the worst kind there it is. His quest for international acclaim and led to failed policies such as NAM and his bloated ego was responsible for 1962. If not for Sardar Patel,I don't know where India would be right now.[/QUOTE]
My feelings are held by minority?hahaha..have a poll on PDF and I challenge overwhelming majority of Indians will vote against Gandhi..

General public neither hate nor love Gandhi..he is just a source of vulgar jokes...thatsal

Indians,majority of them ,love bhagat Singh followed by subhash Chandra Bose.

Even swami vivekananda who didn't take part in freedom struggle have more fans among youth than this actor called Gandhi.

 

[Chicha]

shamefull to see indians abusing their founding father.


in my books - i have respect for gandhi... and hatred for nehru.

Sorry to say we don't have respect for him. He is no one special to us. May he RIH.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Ignorant and expected given the flags. Bose's INA lost spectacularly but that act helped create a feeling of revolt among the Indian members of the British Indian Army and it is that which ultimately forced British to hasten their departure.

Not really... indian troops never revolted.... except muslim soldiers from modern day Pak... who did revolt a few times when they were sent to fight against fellow muslim ottomans.. i.e in Singapore and Mesopotamia... or indonesia (under Jinnahs order 1000 Troops changed sides with indonesians against allies).

Sorry to say we don't have respect for him. He is no one special to us. May he RIH.

So you respect nathuram godse?

 

[Spectre]

Racism struggle by Gandhi in SA was for indians not blacks... it was much much later when ANC and indian congress (SAIC) cooperated in the 40s... when election was won by nationalist party and introduced acts like Ghetto act etc that not only effected blacks but also indians...

I agree but during later part of his stay in S. Africa he began to change his view. On the whole you are quite correct that his efforts were primarily directed towards Indians. The tools he used though inspired many native Africans and John L. Dube the first president of SANC was a friend of Gandhi and had on record stated that he Gandhi's struggle against discrimination of Indians had a major effect on Black Population

 

[nForce]

Bose's struggle achieved you nothing.

You need to read him to understand the impact he left on society.

The ripples created by Che Guevara has also settled down long time back. Does not mean we have forgotten who he was and what he stood for..

 

[ito]

Can you prove otherwise? the so called azad hind fouj achieved nothing.

What is there to prove??...he was a great leader. The web is full of article of his contribution towards India's freedom.

Role of Subhash Chandra Bose and the Indian National Army

Revisiting Netaji`s Role In The Freedom Struggle Of India : INA And Manipur Perspective | KanglaOnline

 

[dravidianhero]

India was never a united country in the real sense.. it was a sub continent with hundreds of "countries" lead by local monarchs... india was merely united by conquest by mughals n british...

Gandhi is the founder of modern india.







Can you prove otherwise? the so called azad hind fouj achieved nothing.

Oooh! Not again..OK whatever you say is true,..khush ?
We know we haven't been politically one unit but we always had this feeling that we were one..we considered outsiders mlechha..even all beruni mentioned the borders of Hindustan from Khyber pakhtunwa to Sri Lanka.
Leave it..stick to the topic,.we don't change our opinions simply because you say so.

 

[nForce]

What is there to prove??...he was a great leader. The web is full of article of his contribution towards India's freedom.

Role of Subhash Chandra Bose and the Indian National Army

Revisiting Netaji`s Role In The Freedom Struggle Of India : INA And Manipur Perspective | KanglaOnline

Interesting trivia. do you know who was fighting on the other side of Subhash Bose and his INA ? It was Amir Abdullah Khan Niazi.
Yes, the same Lt. General that surrendered to yet another Indian National Army. He was part of the 14th army back then.

Call it poetic justice ?

@Spectre - another trivia for you

 

[The Great One]

Not really... indian troops never revolted.... except muslim soldiers from modern day Pak... who did revolt a few times when they were sent to fight against fellow muslim ottomans.. i.e in Singapore and Mesopotamia... or indonesia (under Jinnahs order 1000 Troops changed sides with indonesians against allies).

IGNORANT
Royal Indian Navy mutiny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Events of the revolt[edit]


After the Second World War, three officers of the Indian National Army (INA), General Shah Nawaz Khan, Colonel Prem Sahgal and Colonel Gurbaksh Singh Dhillonwere put on trial at the Red Fort in Delhi for "waging war against the King Emperor", i.e., the British sovereign personifying British rule. The three defendants were defended at the trial by Jawaharlal Nehru, Bhulabhai Desai and others. Outside the fort, the trials inspired protests and discontent among the Indian population, many of whom came to view the defendants as revolutionaries who had fought for their country. In January 1946 British airmen stationed in India took part in theRoyal Air Force Revolt of 1946 mainly over the slow speed of their demobilisation, but also in some cases issuing demands against being used in support of continued British colonial rule. The Viceroy at the time, Lord Wavell, noted that the actions of the British airmen had influenced both the RIAF and RIN mutinies, commenting "I am afraid that [the] example of the Royal Air Force, who got away with what was really a mutiny, has some responsibility for the present situation."

Legacy and assessments of the effects of the revolt[edit]
The grievances focused on the slow pace of demobilisation. British units were near mutiny and it was feared that Indian units might follow suit.[12] The weekly intelligence summary issued on 25 March 1946 admitted that the Indian army, navy and air force units were no longer trustworthy, and, for the army, "only day to day estimates of steadiness could be made".[13] The situation has been thus been deemed the "Point of No Return."[14][15]

 

[dravidianhero]

Interesting trivia. do you know who was fighting on the other side of Subhash Bose and his INA ? It was Amir Abdullah Khan Niazi.
Yes, the same Lt. General that surrendered to yet another Indian National Army. He was part of the 14th army back then.

Call it poetic justice ?

@Spectre - another trivia for you

So people who fought against freedom fighters and for colonialists went on to become lieutenant generals of Pakistan.
Wah khoob.

 

[Spectre]

@Spectre - another trivia for you

Had no idea, thanks for this titbit.

Btw NS Bose's contribution or lack there of is highly subjective and a purely internal matter, We should avoid discussing it here in this forum. History is a strange beast we never know when it would turn on us.

So quit while we are ahead

So people who fought against freedom fighters and for colonialists went on to become lieutenant generals of Pakistan.
Wah khoob.

This thread is not meant for India-Pak bashing. @DESERT FIGHTER has refrained from it and I would humbly advised you to do the same. There are plenty of other threads available to do so.

Thanks

 

[nForce]

Had no idea, thanks for this titbit.

Btw NS Bose's contribution or lack there of is highly subjective and a purely internal matter, We should avoid discussing it here in this forum. History is a strange beast we never know when it would turn on us.

So quit while we are ahead

I don't think it is possible to discuss Gandhi without talking about Bose.
Anyways, the thread topic is different.