What changes do you want in our education system ?

[Well.wisher]

Hello,
Please give your points what changes do you need in our education system ?
What do you think is wrong in it and what can be done to make it better .

I want these changes ;
1- Either make all schools in Pakistan English medium or Urdu medium . The difference of languages is creating problems for students especially to those who study in urdu medium and then switch to English in their later college or uni life .

2- Our courses are outdated , we are reading same things since 10 years in pak studies and other subjects , we need to modernise it .

3- There should be concentration on sex education too so that our students develop such differences in their later life and knows how to react to molestion , harrasment and rapes etc .

4- Admission fees , that range to fifty thousand or thirty thousands really make me sick in the private institutions . Private schools should re consider their admission fees and monthly fees .

5- We should be encouraging debates between students on the social issues so their minds are opened and they dont fall for conservative propoganda.

6- Sports should be compulsory for every student. It shouldnt be optional .


You give me your points .

 

[jamahir]

I believe the same can be said about rest of South Asia, except the sports bit which may not be liked by every person.

Most South Asians are job seekers and not thinkers, inventors and leaders.

Think of the private USA space company, SpaceX, which despite having lot less funds than most government space agencies in the world, is progressing towards taking humans to the International Space Station ( ISS ) and later to planet Mars.

 

[I.R.A]

In Pakistan lets start by

• Abolishing all the education boards and replace it by one centralised education board / institution ...... this will ensure same books being taught all over Pakistan
• Abolish current exam system ......... and encourage research based innovative thinking mechanism to test the students, a system that doesn't tell them if they were first in the class or last ..... but encourages them in what they do the best
• Focus more on God gifted talent of every child instead of making each one them a doctor, engineer, pilot or whatever
• Strict ban on schools in residential type buildings including mosques madressa ........... a school building should at minimum have one playground, one basketball court, a cafeteria, a library, separate labs for science subjects including computer / IT etc
• Same school fee for every Pakistani ........ the differential should be subsidised by the government
• People who intend to open private schools need to be educationist themselves ..... not every gama maja should be allowed to open schools. And they would meet the school building criteria ...... or in fact government should alot them plots for that purposes.
• No private universities ........ government should be held responsible for building universities instead of giving out laptops and neeli peeli taxi.
• Incentive / then strict penalties on parents who don't send their children to schools

There are many other things to discuss about how a model school should look from inside ...... but as part of education emergency these steps should be immediately taken.

 

[padamchen]

I really wish history was taught in a different way in school.

I've learned more history on PDF than I learned in 10 years of high school education from the best board in India.

And had a lot more fun learning it as well ...

@Joe Shearer

Cheers, Doc

 

[El Sidd]

Hello,
Please give your points what changes do you need in our education system ?
What do you think is wrong in it and what can be done to make it better .

I want these changes ;
1- Rather make all schools in Pakistan English medium or Urdu medium . The difference of languages is creating problems for students especially to those who study in urdu medium and then switch off to English in their later college or uni life .

2- Our courses are outdated , we are reading same things since 10 years in pak studies and other subjects , we need to modernise it .

3- There should be concentration on sex education too so that our students develop such differences in their later life and knows how to react to molestion , harrasment and rapes etc .

4- Admission fees , that range to fifty thousand or thirty thousands really make me sick in the private institutions . Private schools should re consider their admission fees and monthly fees .

5- We should be encouraging debates between students on the social issues so their minds are opened and they dont fall for conservative propoganda.

6- Sports should be compulsory for every student. It shouldnt be optional .


You give me your points .

are you asking just for Pakistan or our Ganga neighbours and Hilsa eating neighbours as well?

Pakistan needs a complete overhaul of its education system. A complete from scratch new policy.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I really wish history was taught in a different way in school.

I've learned more history on PDF than I learned in 10 years of high school education from the best board in India.

And had a lot more fun learning it as well ...

@Joe Shearer

Cheers, Doc

We were taught history reasonably well in school, but there was also the strong incentive of having come from a family of academically oriented history students (on the father's side) as well.

My own schooling was a constant struggle to cope with inadequate teachers and a system that simply didn't allow any freedom of thought. It was strictly on tramlines.

Worse. The amount of time devoted to experiments and to physically translating concepts into daily life was minuscule. Science was taught, like the humanities, in a manner calculated to deaden the senses.

The quality of libraries in the different schools was widely different. In one, it was superb. In others, libraries were rudimentary and vestigial.

My daughter's experience of schooling in a Krishnamurty school was what everyone's schooling ought to be.

 

[Well.wisher]

are you asking just for Pakistan or our Ganga neighbours and Hilsa eating neighbours as well?

Pakistan needs a complete overhaul of its education system. A complete from scratch new policy.

Pakistan obviously . But members r free to talk about their country as well.

In Pakistan lets start by

• Abolishing all the education boards and replace it by one centralised education board / institution ...... this will ensure same books being taught all over Pakistan
• Abolish current exam system ......... and encourage research based innovative thinking mechanism to test the students, a system that doesn't tell them if they were first in the class or last ..... but encourages them in what they do the best
• Focus more on God gifted talent of every child instead of making each one them a doctor, engineer, pilot or whatever
• Strict ban on schools in residential type buildings including mosques madressa ........... a school building should at minimum have one playground, one basketball court, a cafeteria, a library, separate labs for science subjects including computer / IT etc
• Same school fee for every Pakistani ........ the differential should be subsidised by the government
• People who intend to open private schools need to be educationist themselves ..... not every gama maja should be allowed to open schools. And they would meet the school building criteria ...... or in fact government should alot them plots for that purposes.
• No private universities ........ government should be held responsible for building universities instead of giving out laptops and neeli peeli taxi.
• Incentive / then strict penalties on parents who don't send their children to schools

There are many other things to discuss about how a model school should look from inside ...... but as part of education emergency these steps should be immediately taken.

Thts some good points u made .

 

[Burhan Wani]

I really wish history was taught in a different way in school.

I've learned more history on PDF than I learned in 10 years of high school education from the best board in India.

And had a lot more fun learning it as well ...

@Joe Shearer

Cheers, Doc

Do you have board system like us?
I am a victim of it.

 

[padamchen]

Do you have board system like us?
I am a victim of it.

Yup. We have the ICSE, the CBSE, and then the State boards (HSC).

Of course there as la di da international boards as well for the NRIs, expats, foreigners on deputation and misc richie riches of India.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Burhan Wani]

Yup. We have the ICSE, the CBSE, and then the State boards (HSC).

Of course there as la di da international boards as well for the NRIs, expats, foreigners on deputation and misc richie riches of India.

Cheers, Doc

We have like Federal board, Sindh Board, Lahore Board and Rawalpindi Board etc. Other students who can afford fees follow O/A level track.
What was your subjects in 10th and 12th standards?

 

[padamchen]

We have like Federal board, Sindh Board, Lahore Board and Rawalpindi Board etc. Other students who can afford fees follow O/A level track.
What was your subjects in 10th and 12th standards?

When I did my 10th (1987) we had only three options. Accounts, Economics, and Technical Drawing as the 6th subject choices. So as I wanted to become a doctor, technical drawing was out. Economics one had to write a lot. So I chose Accounts. And did quite well too (Parsis and money are a lethal combo ....)

12th one gets pigeon-holed right at the start into Commerce, Arts or Science streams. In Science one either drops Maths or Bio. I took Maths (but the marks are not counted towards your final percentage if you are in the Medical stream).

Cheers, Doc

 

[Cookie Monster]

Having been educated in both Pakistan and US I noticed three key differences.

1) Subject matter
2) The way it's taught
3) most importantly a centralized curriculum

Let me elaborate on point 1...Up until high school, while there are classes like physics, math, chemistry etc. which focus on those useful subjects there are others which I found to be not so productive like "Masharti Uloom"(social studies). I don't think there ever came a point where I needed anything I learned in that subject. I'm not advocating an all math and science subject matter...instead that the curriculum up until high school should be revised. It should focus more on building critical thinking, communication, and deductive reasoning of students...the purpose should be to build a solid base on which a student can further build upon when he/she goes to college to major in some specific field of study.

As for point 2...I think we all know the term "ratta bazi". Some courses require such tactics but in most cases it's the teachers that will force something like that on u. For example if the goal is to learn English vocabulary, ur teacher will not settle on anything less than the exact definition provided by the book(used for that course) even if it's accurate. When this happens students tend to just memorize things for the exam just so they can pass the class. They don't pause to think for themselves and learn something bcuz they are interested...since none of that would guarantee them a good grade, it shuts down any possibility of freedom of thought.

Point 3 is self explanatory. Instead of having various boards operate differently, there needs to be a centralized system. When I was about to start 8th grade, the principal of the school(private school) just randomly decided that the math taught in 9th/10th grade(which the matriculation exam tests on) would now be taught to this 8th grade class...so they are better prepared for the board exam. Such liberties should not be allowed where a principal can change up the course work as he pleases. Moreover when I went to 9th grade(in a different private school) having already learned this 9th grade math, the math teacher there didn't know it. He would get lost halfway through the lecture as he would attempt to solve some math problem and then I would bail him out...he even went as far as to borrow my notes(from 8th grade). The only qualification required of him to teach math at this private school is that he was a good friend of the principal of this school

Pakistanis are talented for sure...they shine academically anywhere they go but all that talent is lost at home with such stupid curriculum and the methods of teaching.

That's roughly my take on this based on my experiences. Other than that it seems @I.R.A in post#3 has tackled the whole thing in detail. I fully agree with that.

 

[Ahmad Sajjad Paracha]

First of all, so many different boards in country create bifurcation among students so there should be only one central boards with its branches in every province and curriculum and subjects offered should be same as students with different academic background cannot allign themselves when they go to universities. Secondly there should be variety of subjects offered to students after middle level instead of offering few science subjects so that students can go for the subjets that fascinate them and would opt for the field in future that they like whether it is politics,business,sciences,arts or modelling. Students should be encouraged to think or solve problems critically by arranging different activities for students. Creative work should be part of curriculum. Open discussions should be done in class involving every student on social issues or crises that country or any region might be facing. Students should not be beaten or scolded harshly as it diminshes confidence in a child. There should be two-three game periods in a week with a proper sports teacher to guide the students. Strenght of class should not exceed 30 so teacher can put emphasis on each student indiviually. Plus teachers should be given training on how to teach students and make them confidence. In shorts focus should be made on students not on system or personal career. And from students side focus should be on enlightement of life not on getting in medical college or sceince university.

 

[livingdead]

i am not in favor of a single board system in India... I quite like the diverse ecosystem. But I think govt should invest enough money in delivering affordable education of reasonable standard to the masses... because of bad state of govt schools, Indians are spending huge sums of money in private schools.

Private educational institutions should be allowed to charge as much as they like, as long as they do not inflate the price after taking in the student(so parents have an idea about how much it will cost beforehand), but they should be taxed as a for-profit corporate entity...

sex education is tricky, may be we can have a trained professional from outside the school to impart that education, you dont need more than few classes.

 

[RealNapster]

1. Montessori to 6th standard must be coed.

2. All b.sc/b.a courses should be replaced by B.s only (happening in KP thank God).

3. Papers should be conceptula. For that, one can go with increasing mcq's part to atleast 50% from curremt 15%.

4. Passing marks should be 50% instead of current 33%.

5. Admissions in all schools colleges must be online. (Done in KP for colleges. Should be extended to schools too).

6. Teachers salary should be directly proportional to students performance and teachers attendances.

7. Just like in universities, quizes assignments should be taken and its marks included in final result. Means 40% of marks in teachers hand and 60% in boards.

8. Every student and teacher should have online portal just like universities have. Which can be used by teacher to keep performance record, attendance and quizes sessional marks of student online. Which can be accessed by parents as well as board while they compose results.

9. An online library which have all the relevent material ( in writem as well as thtorial videos form) so that students habe access to it and can consult those materials for free insted of buying books and paying heavy tution feeses.

I can go on but, pehle ye to karlo.

@Hell hound , @The Sandman , @Zibago , @Moonlight , @Chauvinist aap b kuch kaheye janab is silsily me.