Western Liberalism in crisis China/Russia might take advantage

[Yankee-stani]

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[Yankee-stani]

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[Old School]

Does Russia provide helps to other countries besides selling weapons or mineral extractions ? China helps many countries with their infrastructure development. Therefore, while China primarily practices soft power, Russia remains a hard power projector.

 

[PakFactor]

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@OsmanAli98 @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

Why am I getting the feeling this is another Samuel P. Huntington moment, setting the stage, whereas now all of a sudden Putin and the West are some how champions of "Islamic Values" against the "Godless" Chinese after bombing and killing Muslims last 20 years, funny enough in another thread this is what we were discussing.

Per the Tweet:
Putin’s Russia positions itself as the champion of Christian values and, to some extent, Islamic values too. This makes it the main bastion of conservative values for some followers of the Abrahamic religions. /6

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@OsmanAli98 @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

Why am I getting the feeling this is another Samuel P. Huntington moment, setting the stage, whereas now all of a sudden Putin and the West are some how champions of "Islamic Values" against the "Godless" Chinese after bombing and killing Muslims last 20 years, funny enough in another thread this is what we were discussing.

Per the Tweet:
Putin’s Russia positions itself as the champion of Christian values and, to some extent, Islamic values too. This makes it the main bastion of conservative values for some followers of the Abrahamic religions. /6

After the Syrian misadventure, Afghan invasion, siding with Serb genocidal criminals, and Russo-Turk wars, it is a little late to try to pass yourself as pro-Muslim.

By and large, outside of Iranians, no one buys this propaganda of Russians in the Muslim world.

Unlike China which never had any major conflict with the Islamic world and accommodated Muslims to a large extent, Russia was born on the invasion, occupation, and destruction of Muslim lands.

If there are any doubts, ask Russians and other Orthodox Christians their opinions of Muslims, they will be honest and tell the truth.

 

[W.11]

The western liberalism is even failing in its native land as they elect people like trump, boris and other far right leaders.

regards

 

[tower9]

Russia and China are not seeking to force other countries to adopt their system. While the US deep state is constantly trying to undermine the governments of other countries. That's the main source of conflict and chaos today.

 

[Yankee-stani]

@OsmanAli98 @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

Why am I getting the feeling this is another Samuel P. Huntington moment, setting the stage, whereas now all of a sudden Putin and the West are some how champions of "Islamic Values" against the "Godless" Chinese after bombing and killing Muslims last 20 years, funny enough in another thread this is what we were discussing.

Per the Tweet:
Putin’s Russia positions itself as the champion of Christian values and, to some extent, Islamic values too. This makes it the main bastion of conservative values for some followers of the

The west in general has tried to get Russia on its side against China in the last 2 decades but failed to because the west wanted to simple dominate Russia and its ex Soviet sphere which Russia was not going to accept ,plus mistrust is too high now and Russia has issues its industry is oil/gas extraction and military hardware their economy is 12th place and behind that of Italy,China on the other hand is 2nd to the United States and is becoming hegemon on it's own Russia naturally wants to be with the victor so I see them not breaking up in a while Trump had his chance when he first came into office to try a Sino-Russian spilt but instead failed too

After the Syrian misadventure, Afghan invasion, siding with Serb genocidal criminals, and Russo-Turk wars, it is a little late to try to pass yourself as pro-Muslim.

By and large, outside of Iranians, no one buys this propaganda of Russians in the Muslim world.

Unlike China which never had any major conflict with the Islamic world and accommodated Muslims to a large extent, Russia was born on the invasion, occupation, and destruction of Muslim lands.

If there are any doubts, ask Russians and other Orthodox Christians their opinions of Muslims, they will be honest and tell the truth.

Ask Chinese Communists or atheists about Muslims and Islam to be honest Chinese are pretty Islamophobic as well but that does not stop Muslim countries like Pakistan having a de facto alliance with them besides Russia has built much better rapport with Muslim countries in recent years with granting Chechenya autonomy,helping out sanction hit countries like Syria and bringing the Turks to their side I think some Pakistanis need move on from the 1980s world view point of the Soviet Afghan war

The western liberalism is even failing in its native land as they elect people like trump, boris and other far right leaders.

regards

Trump is an opportunist far from being far right same goes with Boris the elite know the public in the west are frustrated so polarizing rhetoric on the left and right are needed to control frustration of a derancited working class

Does Russia provide helps to other countries besides selling weapons or mineral extractions ? China helps many countries with their infrastructure development. Therefore, while China primarily practices soft power, Russia remains a hard power projector.

China is much better at building ecnomic influence not political they suck at Soft power unlike the Russians

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Russia and China are not seeking to force other countries to adopt their system. While the US deep state is constantly trying to undermine the governments of other countries. That's the main source of conflict and chaos today.

You are correct about China, but not Russia. Russia has an established and very powerful propaganda wing. In some countries they assassinate rival leaders, and bully countries into submission.

All that Russian bravado was on full drive when they marched into Afghanistan, once the atrocities started racking up, Muslims from all over the Islamic world came for payback to the Russians.

There are some who lobby for Russia among Muslims like Imran N Hosein and Iranians, but by and large they are viewed as an enemy of Muslims.

 

[Yankee-stani]

You are correct about China, but not Russia. Russia has an established and very powerful propaganda wing. In some countries they assassinate rival leaders, and bully countries into submission.

All that Russian bravado was on full drive when they marched into Afghanistan, once the atrocities started racking up, Muslims from all over the Islamic world came for payback to the Russians.

There are some who lobby for Russia among Muslims like Imran N Hosein and Iranians, but by and large they are viewed as an enemy of Muslims.

Russia propganda wing is formidable but no way close to what the Americans have as for Afghanistan the Muslims unfortunately were used as pawns in the chessboard including Pakistan's who harp on we destroyed the USSR blah blah again not saying the Soviets were Angel's and right but they were divisions in the 80s loads of Soviet bloc states in the Mid East were neutral but obviously by then US allied state like Turkey,Pakistan and KSA were stronger economic and military wise with China in a defacto alliance with the US it bought down the USSR

 

[OIO]

Does Russia provide helps to other countries besides selling weapons or mineral extractions ? China helps many countries with their infrastructure development. Therefore, while China primarily practices soft power, Russia remains a hard power projector.

I feel China a constructive power.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I feel China a constructive power.

China needs to work on image. It does not necessarily matter what positive you do, but how you are portrayed to others. Image is everything.

The zionist Murdoch media and US corporate oligarchy has perfected this.

Now if you can find some way to make peace with Turkey, you could go very far in forming an iron wall against Western imperialism.

In East Asia, US has boxed in China but Western Asia is wide open for Chinese alliances and friendships.

With Pakistan and Turkish support, a new paradigm can be established in Central Asia and the Sino-Islamic partnership could pay dividends to both.

You will need Turkish support in the Arab world, as KSA have sold themselves to America and Iran plays second fiddle to Russia.

 

[OIO]

China needs to work on image. It does not necessarily matter what positive you do, but how you are portrayed to others. Image is everything.

The zionist Murdoch media and US corporate oligarchy has perfected this.

Now if you can find some way to make peace with Turkey, you could go very far in forming an iron wall against Western imperialism.

In East Asia, US has boxed in China but Western Asia is wide open for Chinese alliances and friendships.

With Pakistan and Turkish support, a new paradigm can be established in Central Asia and the Sino-Islamic partnership could pay dividends to both.

You will need Turkish support in the Arab world, as KSA have sold themselves to America and Iran plays second fiddle to Russia.

If Turkey doesnot play Uighur card there's no trouble, China wants friendship with all Muslim countries.

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

If Turkey doesnot play Uighur card there's no trouble, China wants friendship with all Muslim countries.

If China gives a bit consideration to Uighurs China will gain much more while losing a little . The Uighur is China's achilles heel , if they don't go for such a heavy handed approach making everyone same rather go for soft approach by discussion and mitigating the differences and allowing a cultural pluralism to flourish with their own laws and customs in a autonomy then it would be much more rewarding .

 

[Yankee-stani]

If Turkey doesnot play Uighur card there's no trouble, China wants friendship with all Muslim countries.

The Turks are going be tied with Moscow so no worries the west reaaprochment is getting highly unlikely besides Erdogan is more interested in staying power so Uyghurs are least of concern

If China gives a bit consideration to Uighurs China will gain much more while losing a little . The Uighur is China's achilles heel , if they don't go for such a heavy handed approach making everyone same rather go for soft approach by discussion and mitigating the differences and allowing a cultural pluralism to flourish with their own laws and customs in a autonomy then it would be much more rewarding .

Unlike Russia China sees giving autonomy as sigh of weakness that's their mindset as for Uyghurs there is division as you see most Pakistanis are Sinophiles still