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IT IS a measure of how inured Pakistanis have become to violence that it takes an especially cruel attack to provoke much debate. This week saw two. In the first, on November 2nd, a suicide bomber killed at least 60 people, mostly Pakistani tourists leaving a ceremony performed by soldiers on the border with India. He struck in a car park near the main arena.

Given the location, Indians asked if his intention had been a cross-border attack. More likely the militants—three rival groups claimed responsibility—wanted a target in Punjab, home to much of Pakistan’s political and military elites. It was the first big terrorist strike since the army began operations against militants in North Waziristan in June. Many are braced for more attacks.

Elsewhere in Punjab came a smaller, but also horrific, assault. A mob in Kot Radha Kishan, a town south of Lahore, lynched an indebted Christian couple on November 4th, then burned their bodies, having accused them of blasphemy. Claiming outrage can be a pretext by Sunni extremists to grab property or settle other scores with members of minority religious groups. Lawlessness and religious bigotry are becoming frighteningly common.

Both attacks raise doubts about the ability of the prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, to rule a stable Pakistan. He swept to office with a big mandate, winning 126 of 272 contested seats in parliament in May 2013, making him the most powerful civilian leader for decades. Now he is diminished. Even close supporters fret that his main achievement will be the modest one of keeping himself in the job.

Three problems weigh him down. First, failure on economic and social matters. Inflation, electricity brownouts and the absence of free-market reforms mean incomes are hardly rising and growth is elusive. A wealthy ex-backer says he is disillusioned by Mr Sharif’s incompetence as a manager. The prime minister is prone to wasteful populism: the dishing out of laptops and a part-built “metro bus” project linking Islamabad and Rawalpindi. Polio experts condemn his government’s feeble efforts against the disease given that Pakistan is home to four-fifths of all polio cases.

A second difficulty is India. Mr Sharif made better relations a priority, hoping that trade and co-operation would boost the economy. Polls show three-quarters of voters agree. Better ties would weaken the army’s claim that India is an existential threat, an argument long misused to justify excessive military spending and army control of foreign and security policies.

Mr Sharif’s bad luck is that his Indian counterpart will not co-operate. Narendra Modi, India’s nationalist prime minister, judges that his own public wants a muscular policy towards Pakistan. He scrapped peace talks in August and gave the Indian army a freer hand on the disputed border in Jammu and Kashmir. That led to the worst violence in a decade. Matters might ease after Mr Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party has contested assembly elections in Jammu and Kashmir in December. Otherwise Mr Sharif’s olive branch will remain spurned.

Third, Mr Sharif has been hurt by months of protests led by Imran Khan, a demagogic ex-cricketer. These had fallen quiet, but Mr Khan pledges a big march on November 30th in Islamabad. He wants to force Mr Sharif out in favour of new elections or rule either by army-backed technocrats, or himself. Though Mr Sharif should hang on—most in parliament support him and the army looks unready to suspend democracy—Mr Khan is a distraction.

It is not that Mr Khan is widely popular. Polls suggest that 18% of voters back him—the same share as he got in the 2013 election. He excites young supporters. But his national appeal is waning. A year ago many who backed Mr Sharif would have picked Mr Khan as a second choice, but no longer. He is charismatic, but shows little capacity for compromise, essential for influence in a parliamentary system.

Nonetheless Mr Khan weakens his rival, especially in dealing with the army. Early in office, says one person close to the prime minister, Mr Sharif would not consult the army on any policy. As recently as May, say foreign-policy advisers, Mr Sharif decided alone that he would attend Mr Modi’s inauguration. And Mr Sharif insisted on prosecuting Pervez Musharraf, a former dictator on trial for treason.

Such dominance is gone. “The army has gained as Nawaz is weaker” sums up Hasan Askari-Rizvi, a security analyst in Lahore. And he may get weaker still when the special court trying Mr Musharraf rules, on November 21st, whether other defendants—senior army men—should also be tried. If it does, the “army will hit the roof”, says a political commentator.

Can Mr Sharif avoid an open rift with the army? He insists the trial will go ahead and resists giving up on running foreign and security policies—though he must now negotiate on these with the army’s leaders. Yet with both the court hearing and Mr Khan’s new protests due within weeks, November will be a trying month. Mere survival will be an achievement.

Pakistan and India: Wearing thin | The Economist
 
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The true question for Pakistan or Pakistanies. Every Democratic country is ruled by the will of the people/populace, and every democratic country is ruled by constitutional rights. When will Pakistan army really realize the meaning of Pakistan Constitutional rights of free Government? or Your own constitution to put will of the people, the apointed one to rule, to be chief of execute of the Arm forces?
 
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And here lies to my question of Pakistan can always be controlled by there Military, for example, there own constitution:

"8. Laws inconsistent with or in derogation of fundamental rights to be void.

(1) Any law, or any custom or usage having the force of law, in so far as it is inconsistent with the rights conferred by this Chapter, shall, to the extent of such inconsistency, be void.

(2) The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges the rights so conferred and any law made in contravention of this clause shall, to the extent of such contravention, be void.

(3) The provisions of this Article shall not apply to:
(a) any law relating to members of the Armed Forces, or of the police or of such other forces as are charged with the maintenance of public order, for the purpose of ensuring the proper discharge of their duties or the maintenance of discipline among them; or
http://www.parliament.am/library/sahmanadrutyunner/pakistan.pdf"
 
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Thank you for your concern. I'm concerned about poverty in India.

The Need: Poverty in India
Mumbai is home to 22 million people, and over 70% live in slums. People living in the slums have limited access to electricity, clean water, food, and educational opportunities. Slums have overcrowded communal bathroom facilities and many have open sewage that contaminates sources of clean drinking water. The slums are also home to over seven million children under the age of 14 who are growing up in abject poverty. Because food is scarce and the need for families to pool their resources for survival is great, there is tremendous pressure on children – even as young as four years old – to work. Slum children work as rag pickers, sewage cleaners and other unhealthy and dangerous jobs all around Mumbai, earning a few rupees a day in order to stave off their families’ hunger. Education and literacy are put off as parents struggle to balance the immediate needs for food over the need of a child to grow, develop, and study in order to build a different life.It's a matter of basic survival.

Some other facts about poverty in India should also give us pause: India is estimated to have one third of the world's poor. According to a 2005 World Bank estimate, 42% of India, 456 million people, fall below the international poverty line of $1.25 a day. Almost 30% of workers are casual workers who work only when they are able to get jobs and remain unpaid for the rest of the time. Only 10% of the workforce is in regular employment. The lack of adequate sanitation, nutrition and safe water has significant negative health impacts. It was estimated in 2002 by the World Health Organization that around 700,000 Indians die each year from diarrhea.

Children suffer in some harrowing ways from this situation. Lack of new farming techniques, difficult weather conditions, poor storage conditions, misuse of insecticides and lack of water all mean that many families cannot grow enough crops to feed their children all year round. It is this reason why families leave rural areas to travel hundreds of kilometers just to live in the slums of large cities, like Mumbai. The families reasoning for relocation is sound; back in the villages they starve, in the cities they may find work and survive in the slums. According to the New York Times, it's estimated that about 42.5% of the children in India suffer from malnutrition. The World Bank, citing estimates made by the World Health Organization, says that about 49 per cent of the world's underweight children, 34 per cent of the world's stunted children and 46 per cent of the world's malnourished children, live in India.

Girls have it even worse. Some girls are married off early, work as indentured servants or end up in prostitution just to survive. Indeed, a major issue which faces India is illiteracy amongst women. There are over 200 million illiterate women in India. Recent studies show that infant mortality is directly inversely proportional to the education level of the mothers – in other words, the children of illiterate mothers are much more likely to die young. These women have high fertility rates, poor earning potential, little autonomy in the household and bad quality of life. Girls’ literacy greatly affects the lives of the women, their children and their whole society.

Education is the key to reducing these figures. Education in health and sanitation, skills training, empowering all children, especially girls, better education in schools, positive influence and outlook have all been tried and tested throughout the world in projects and have seen drastic results and drops in the terrible figures above.


Poverty in India
 
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Thank you for your concern. I'm concerned about poverty in India.

The Need: Poverty in India
Mumbai is home to 22 million people, and over 70% live in slums. People living in the slums have limited access to electricity, clean water, food, and educational opportunities. Slums have overcrowded communal bathroom facilities and many have open sewage that contaminates sources of clean drinking water. The slums are also home to over seven million children under the age of 14 who are growing up in abject poverty. Because food is scarce and the need for families to pool their resources for survival is great, there is tremendous pressure on children – even as young as four years old – to work. Slum children work as rag pickers, sewage cleaners and other unhealthy and dangerous jobs all around Mumbai, earning a few rupees a day in order to stave off their families’ hunger. Education and literacy are put off as parents struggle to balance the immediate needs for food over the need of a child to grow, develop, and study in order to build a different life.It's a matter of basic survival.

Some other facts about poverty in India should also give us pause: India is estimated to have one third of the world's poor. According to a 2005 World Bank estimate, 42% of India, 456 million people, fall below the international poverty line of $1.25 a day. Almost 30% of workers are casual workers who work only when they are able to get jobs and remain unpaid for the rest of the time. Only 10% of the workforce is in regular employment. The lack of adequate sanitation, nutrition and safe water has significant negative health impacts. It was estimated in 2002 by the World Health Organization that around 700,000 Indians die each year from diarrhea.

Children suffer in some harrowing ways from this situation. Lack of new farming techniques, difficult weather conditions, poor storage conditions, misuse of insecticides and lack of water all mean that many families cannot grow enough crops to feed their children all year round. It is this reason why families leave rural areas to travel hundreds of kilometers just to live in the slums of large cities, like Mumbai. The families reasoning for relocation is sound; back in the villages they starve, in the cities they may find work and survive in the slums. According to the New York Times, it's estimated that about 42.5% of the children in India suffer from malnutrition. The World Bank, citing estimates made by the World Health Organization, says that about 49 per cent of the world's underweight children, 34 per cent of the world's stunted children and 46 per cent of the world's malnourished children, live in India.

Girls have it even worse. Some girls are married off early, work as indentured servants or end up in prostitution just to survive. Indeed, a major issue which faces India is illiteracy amongst women. There are over 200 million illiterate women in India. Recent studies show that infant mortality is directly inversely proportional to the education level of the mothers – in other words, the children of illiterate mothers are much more likely to die young. These women have high fertility rates, poor earning potential, little autonomy in the household and bad quality of life. Girls’ literacy greatly affects the lives of the women, their children and their whole society.

Education is the key to reducing these figures. Education in health and sanitation, skills training, empowering all children, especially girls, better education in schools, positive influence and outlook have all been tried and tested throughout the world in projects and have seen drastic results and drops in the terrible figures above.


Poverty in India

thank u for your concern....we r working on it

BBC News - Indian media: Steep decline in poverty levels


lets get back on topic....

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/opinion/global/where-armies-rule.html?pagewanted=all

Pakistan's problems start at the top - LA Times
 
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beautifully said

The Need: Poverty in India
Mumbai is home to 22 million people, and over 70% live in slums. People living in the slums have limited access to electricity, clean water, food, and educational opportunities. Slums have overcrowded communal bathroom facilities and many have open sewage that contaminates sources of clean drinking water. The slums are also home to over seven million children under the age of 14 who are growing up in abject poverty. Because food is scarce and the need for families to pool their resources for survival is great, there is tremendous pressure on children – even as young as four years old – to work. Slum children work as rag pickers, sewage cleaners and other unhealthy and dangerous jobs all around Mumbai, earning a few rupees a day in order to stave off their families’ hunger. Education and literacy are put off as parents struggle to balance the immediate needs for food over the need of a child to grow, develop, and study in order to build a different life.It's a matter of basic survival.

Some other facts about poverty in India should also give us pause: India is estimated to have one third of the world's poor. According to a 2005 World Bank estimate, 42% of India, 456 million people, fall below the international poverty line of $1.25 a day. Almost 30% of workers are casual workers who work only when they are able to get jobs and remain unpaid for the rest of the time. Only 10% of the workforce is in regular employment. The lack of adequate sanitation, nutrition and safe water has significant negative health impacts. It was estimated in 2002 by the World Health Organization that around 700,000 Indians die each year from diarrhea.

Children suffer in some harrowing ways from this situation. Lack of new farming techniques, difficult weather conditions, poor storage conditions, misuse of insecticides and lack of water all mean that many families cannot grow enough crops to feed their children all year round. It is this reason why families leave rural areas to travel hundreds of kilometers just to live in the slums of large cities, like Mumbai. The families reasoning for relocation is sound; back in the villages they starve, in the cities they may find work and survive in the slums. According to the New York Times, it's estimated that about 42.5% of the children in India suffer from malnutrition. The World Bank, citing estimates made by the World Health Organization, says that about 49 per cent of the world's underweight children, 34 per cent of the world's stunted children and 46 per cent of the world's malnourished children, live in India.

Girls have it even worse. Some girls are married off early, work as indentured servants or end up in prostitution just to survive. Indeed, a major issue which faces India is illiteracy amongst women. There are over 200 million illiterate women in India. Recent studies show that infant mortality is directly inversely proportional to the education level of the mothers – in other words, the children of illiterate mothers are much more likely to die young. These women have high fertility rates, poor earning potential, little autonomy in the household and bad quality of life. Girls’ literacy greatly affects the lives of the women, their children and their whole society.

Education is the key to reducing these figures. Education in health and sanitation, skills training, empowering all children, especially girls, better education in schools, positive influence and outlook have all been tried and tested throughout the world in projects and have seen drastic results and drops in the terrible figures above.


Poverty in India
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IT IS a measure of how inured Pakistanis have become to violence that it takes an especially cruel attack to provoke much debate. This week saw two. In the first, on November 2nd, a suicide bomber killed at least 60 people, mostly Pakistani tourists leaving a ceremony performed by soldiers on the border with India. He struck in a car park near the main arena.

Given the location, Indians asked if his intention had been a cross-border attack. More likely the militants—three rival groups claimed responsibility—wanted a target in Punjab, home to much of Pakistan’s political and military elites. It was the first big terrorist strike since the army began operations against militants in North Waziristan in June. Many are braced for more attacks.

Elsewhere in Punjab came a smaller, but also horrific, assault. A mob in Kot Radha Kishan, a town south of Lahore, lynched an indebted Christian couple on November 4th, then burned their bodies, having accused them of blasphemy. Claiming outrage can be a pretext by Sunni extremists to grab property or settle other scores with members of minority religious groups. Lawlessness and religious bigotry are becoming frighteningly common.

Both attacks raise doubts about the ability of the prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, to rule a stable Pakistan. He swept to office with a big mandate, winning 126 of 272 contested seats in parliament in May 2013, making him the most powerful civilian leader for decades. Now he is diminished. Even close supporters fret that his main achievement will be the modest one of keeping himself in the job.

Three problems weigh him down. First, failure on economic and social matters. Inflation, electricity brownouts and the absence of free-market reforms mean incomes are hardly rising and growth is elusive. A wealthy ex-backer says he is disillusioned by Mr Sharif’s incompetence as a manager. The prime minister is prone to wasteful populism: the dishing out of laptops and a part-built “metro bus” project linking Islamabad and Rawalpindi. Polio experts condemn his government’s feeble efforts against the disease given that Pakistan is home to four-fifths of all polio cases.

A second difficulty is India. Mr Sharif made better relations a priority, hoping that trade and co-operation would boost the economy. Polls show three-quarters of voters agree. Better ties would weaken the army’s claim that India is an existential threat, an argument long misused to justify excessive military spending and army control of foreign and security policies.

Mr Sharif’s bad luck is that his Indian counterpart will not co-operate. Narendra Modi, India’s nationalist prime minister, judges that his own public wants a muscular policy towards Pakistan. He scrapped peace talks in August and gave the Indian army a freer hand on the disputed border in Jammu and Kashmir. That led to the worst violence in a decade. Matters might ease after Mr Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party has contested assembly elections in Jammu and Kashmir in December. Otherwise Mr Sharif’s olive branch will remain spurned.

Third, Mr Sharif has been hurt by months of protests led by Imran Khan, a demagogic ex-cricketer. These had fallen quiet, but Mr Khan pledges a big march on November 30th in Islamabad. He wants to force Mr Sharif out in favour of new elections or rule either by army-backed technocrats, or himself. Though Mr Sharif should hang on—most in parliament support him and the army looks unready to suspend democracy—Mr Khan is a distraction.

It is not that Mr Khan is widely popular. Polls suggest that 18% of voters back him—the same share as he got in the 2013 election. He excites young supporters. But his national appeal is waning. A year ago many who backed Mr Sharif would have picked Mr Khan as a second choice, but no longer. He is charismatic, but shows little capacity for compromise, essential for influence in a parliamentary system.

Nonetheless Mr Khan weakens his rival, especially in dealing with the army. Early in office, says one person close to the prime minister, Mr Sharif would not consult the army on any policy. As recently as May, say foreign-policy advisers, Mr Sharif decided alone that he would attend Mr Modi’s inauguration. And Mr Sharif insisted on prosecuting Pervez Musharraf, a former dictator on trial for treason.

Such dominance is gone. “The army has gained as Nawaz is weaker” sums up Hasan Askari-Rizvi, a security analyst in Lahore. And he may get weaker still when the special court trying Mr Musharraf rules, on November 21st, whether other defendants—senior army men—should also be tried. If it does, the “army will hit the roof”, says a political commentator.

Can Mr Sharif avoid an open rift with the army? He insists the trial will go ahead and resists giving up on running foreign and security policies—though he must now negotiate on these with the army’s leaders. Yet with both the court hearing and Mr Khan’s new protests due within weeks, November will be a trying month. Mere survival will be an achievement.

Pakistan and India: Wearing thin | The Economist



It is time that Indian intellectuals try to resolve issues with Pakistan.

However essays like OP are trying to misguide Indian population by focusing on stuff that may not matter in the end.
 
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It is time that Indian intellectuals try to resolve issues with Pakistan.

However essays like OP are trying to misguide Indian population by focusing on stuff that may not matter in the end.

That would be contingent on the need for India to resolve issues with Pakistan in the first place. As it stands right now, there is basically nothing worthwhile that India gains, and a lot India loses, by resolving the issues.

As it is now, Pakistan is basically asking India to forget (or more likely toss aside) it's strategic advantage, it's military superiority, it's advantageous diplomatic position, it's economic clout and sit down as the junior party to the talks.

You are telling India to give up Kashmir to yourself, or at least give away Kashmir valley to you. And in return, you are also telling India that you have no control over the various jihadi entities in your country, implying that even peace with Pakistan would not assure us of protection from terrorist attacks.

So you tell me, what does India gain by sitting on the negotiating table? Threat of war? C'mon we both know that unless there is an NBC attack on Indian soil, there is almost no way India will overtly go to war with pak, no matter how horrific the terrorist attack.

Fact is time is on our side. And we intend to make maximum use of it. Unless of course Pakistan realizes just how international negotiations are conducted and brings up a proposal that reflects the ground realities (read ground advantages). Until then, no peace and no war suits us just fine.
 
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That would be contingent on the need for India to resolve issues with Pakistan in the first place. As it stands right now, there is basically nothing worthwhile that India gains, and a lot India loses, by resolving the issues.

As it is now, Pakistan is basically asking India to forget (or more likely toss aside) it's strategic advantage, it's military superiority, it's advantageous diplomatic position, it's economic clout and sit down as the junior party to the talks.

You are telling India to give up Kashmir to yourself, or at least give away Kashmir valley to you. And in return, you are also telling India that you have no control over the various jihadi entities in your country, implying that even peace with Pakistan would not assure us of protection from terrorist attacks.

So you tell me, what does India gain by sitting on the negotiating table? Threat of war? C'mon we both know that unless there is an NBC attack on Indian soil, there is almost no way India will overtly go to war with pak, no matter how horrific the terrorist attack.

Fact is time is on our side. And we intend to make maximum use of it. Unless of course Pakistan realizes just how international negotiations are conducted and brings up a proposal that reflects the ground realities (read ground advantages). Until then, no peace and no war suits us just fine.

I believe you are repeating here the usual stuff being spilled daily on cheap Indian TV talks shows (and their equals on our side).
 
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I believe you are repeating here the usual stuff being spilled daily on cheap Indian TV talks shows (and their equals on our side).

You're most welcome to enlighten me then. You should start by stating the advantages India gains by sitting for talks. I'll be most delighted to understand more clearly, your viewpoints.
 
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Poverty is nothing to brag about. I am from a slum in Lucknow and my parents were born in that slum. This does not mean they are extremely poor. The reason our area has not turned from a slum into an icon for the city or nation is because it is a weak Muslim neighborhood named Firangi mahal.

We need to eradicate poverty from our nations and work towards delivering fresh sanitary water, electricity and an end to corruption. Many people in our own nation live in slums but that does not necessarily mean they are from poor households. Many people just didn't get the chance to move due to conditions.

My family home in Karachi is the same story. No one wants to leave the house because it was our fathers and uncles haath ki kamayi which helped develop the house.
 
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