We have lost hope in NRC's present form: Assam Minister Himanta Biswa Sarma

[bluesky]

https://www.thedailystar.net/india/news/we-have-lost-hope-nrcs-present-form-assam-minister-1793437

11:28 AM, August 31, 2019 / LAST MODIFIED: 11:37 AM, August 31, 2019
We have lost hope in NRC's present form: Assam Minister Himanta Biswa Sarma
www.nrcassam.nic.in. 3.11 crore people have been included.

"We have lost hope in the present form of the NRC right after the draft. When so many genuine Indians are out, then how can you claim that this document is a red letter for the Assamese society," Sarma told local reporters.

"In districts bordering Bangladesh, like South Salmara and Dhubri, the rate of exclusion is the lowest and in Bhumiputra district, it's high. How it can be? We are not interested in this NRC anymore," he said.

"NRC is no quarter final, semi-final and final for driving out Bangladeshis...wait a while and you will see more finals under the BJP regime."

Security has been tightened in Assam, with tens of thousands of paramilitary personnel and police posted across the north-eastern state bordering Bangladesh.

The centre has said people whose names don't appear in the final NRC cannot be declared foreigners till all legal options are exhausted. Every person left out of the NRC can appeal to the Foreigners Tribunal, and the time limit to file the appeal has been extended from 60 to 120 days.

Sarma said: "We just want the NRC to pass off well, peacefully, and we will ensure it, but this NRC won't help us get rid of foreigners."

He said the government was already looking beyond and discussions were on both in Assam and at the centre on new strategy on tackling illegal migrants. "At Dispur and Delhi we have already started fresh strategy on how we can drive out the illegal migrants and we will so come up with new plans," he said.

Many BJP leaders have raised concerns over a large number of Bengali Hindus being left out of the NRC. Chief Minister Sarbananda Sonowal, after meeting with Home Minister Amit Shah last week, had said the centre may consider a law to remove foreigners who could have entered the list and add genuine citizens who could have been left out.

The NRC, first published in Assam in 1951, is being updated following Supreme Court orders to segregate Indian citizens living in Assam from those who have illegally entered the state from Bangladesh after March 25, 1971.

 

[Black_cats]

https://www.thedailystar.net/india/news/we-have-lost-hope-nrcs-present-form-assam-minister-1793437

11:28 AM, August 31, 2019 / LAST MODIFIED: 11:37 AM, August 31, 2019
We have lost hope in NRC's present form: Assam Minister Himanta Biswa Sarma
www.nrcassam.nic.in. 3.11 crore people have been included.

"We have lost hope in the present form of the NRC right after the draft. When so many genuine Indians are out, then how can you claim that this document is a red letter for the Assamese society," Sarma told local reporters.

"In districts bordering Bangladesh, like South Salmara and Dhubri, the rate of exclusion is the lowest and in Bhumiputra district, it's high. How it can be? We are not interested in this NRC anymore," he said.

"NRC is no quarter final, semi-final and final for driving out Bangladeshis...wait a while and you will see more finals under the BJP regime."

Security has been tightened in Assam, with tens of thousands of paramilitary personnel and police posted across the north-eastern state bordering Bangladesh.

The centre has said people whose names don't appear in the final NRC cannot be declared foreigners till all legal options are exhausted. Every person left out of the NRC can appeal to the Foreigners Tribunal, and the time limit to file the appeal has been extended from 60 to 120 days.

Sarma said: "We just want the NRC to pass off well, peacefully, and we will ensure it, but this NRC won't help us get rid of foreigners."

He said the government was already looking beyond and discussions were on both in Assam and at the centre on new strategy on tackling illegal migrants. "At Dispur and Delhi we have already started fresh strategy on how we can drive out the illegal migrants and we will so come up with new plans," he said.

Many BJP leaders have raised concerns over a large number of Bengali Hindus being left out of the NRC. Chief Minister Sarbananda Sonowal, after meeting with Home Minister Amit Shah last week, had said the centre may consider a law to remove foreigners who could have entered the list and add genuine citizens who could have been left out.

The NRC, first published in Assam in 1951, is being updated following Supreme Court orders to segregate Indian citizens living in Assam from those who have illegally entered the state from Bangladesh after March 25, 1971.

Say it to the Chinese Indian @Axomiya_lora who were having wet dream of removing millions of illegal Bengali Muslim. Lol

 

[bluesky]

Say it to the Chinese Indian @Axomiya_lora who were having wet dream of removing millions of illegal Bengali Muslim. Lol

Chinese-Assamese @Axomiya_lora, someone is asking your valuable opinion.

 

[Species]

The British used to consider Assamese people to be too primitive to even farm the lands and brought Bengalis to settle the area. These Bengalis eventually turned the otherwise barren and sparsely populated Assam into a productive and revenue-generating province. Naturally these Bengalis began to spearhead the economic and administrative affairs of Assam. The indigenous Assamese people simply had no problem with these Bengalis, realizing their importance in the society. The Assamese people even had to use Bengali alphabets to write in their indigenous language.

Now, instead of civilizing and modernizing them, BJP is rather evoking the tribalistic nature of the Assamese people for its own political benefit.

There will be no deportation to Bangladesh, even Indian analysts have acknowledged it. What we going to see are spread of wild rumors, widespread Bengali-Assamese riots, massacres and a major resurgence of ULFA.

BJP must realize that India is just too diverse to go down the nationalist path, it will only backfire. Or perhaps, they are trying to apply the divide and rule policy here, pitting one ethnic group against other, which could make room for tighter control of the center in the peripheral states like Assam or West Bengal.

 

[Black_cats]

 

[UKBengali]

What a total and utter waste of time and money.

 

[Abu Shaleh Rumi]

Middle finger salute...

 

[namefield_empty]

Middle finger salutes to all you Bongal miya kelas, every one from BJP to the Muslim groups to our AASU is unsatisfied with the NRC for very different reasons. Rest assured that our prime objective remains to rid our lands off the miya aliens, and we will all work all together to that effect. NRC is just the start.

Yours sincerely,
An Chinese-Assamese @bluesky

These Bengalis eventually turned the otherwise barren and sparsely populated Assam into a productive and revenue-generating province. Naturally these Bengalis began to spearhead the economic and administrative affairs of Assam.

The Bongal miyas you are talking of were toiling in the fields of your Hindu Zamindar overlords, having no part in the freedom struggle of India. You took advantage of the circumstances to carve out your own swampland, but that's about it, your freaking contribution to that era. OTIH, we in Assam were actively involved in our struggles against the British, and it is only natural that we didn't want the lazy Bongals to take advantage of our efforts.

Now, instead of civilizing and modernizing them, BJP is rather evoking the tribalistic nature of the Assamese people for its own political benefit.

Buzz off Bongal, our language and culture is much older than your fake Bangladeshi abomination. I gather that you are well versed in history, you mustn't make these absurd statements. Heck, if a Oriya guy made such comments(it being a classical language) i could understand, but you people are just a doormat that everyone likes to tread upon.

 

[Species]

Middle finger salutes to all you Bongal miya kelas, every one from BJP to the Muslim groups to our AASU is unsatisfied with the NRC for very different reasons. Rest assured that our prime objective remains to rid our lands off the miya aliens, and we will all work all together to that effect. NRC is just the start.

Yours sincerely,
An Chinese-Assamese @bluesky


The Bongal miyas you are talking of were toiling in the fields of your Hindu Zamindar overlords, having no part in the freedom struggle of India. You took advantage of the circumstances to carve out your own swampland, but that's about it, your freaking contribution to that era. OTIH, we in Assam were actively involved in our struggles against the British, and it is only natural that we didn't want the lazy Bongals to take advantage of our efforts.


Buzz off Bongal, our language and culture is much older than your fake Bangladeshi abomination. I gather that you are well versed in history, you mustn't make these absurd statements. Heck, if a Oriya guy made such comments(it being a classical language) i could understand, but you people are just a doormat that everyone likes to tread upon.

These are not my words, you can go through the imperial gazetteers of India to read the opinions of the British about Assamese people. Or you can go through the writings of RC Majumdar to get an elaborative view. Assam has always been considered a backwater hinterland of Bengal or more specifically East Bengal, the same reason why it was part of the province of East Bengal and Assam despite great cultural differences with Bengal. Even to this day majority of the rest of the Indians consider Assam and Northeast in general as habitats of cave dwelling savages.

I don't think I need to say anything about our contribution to the history of the subcontinent as pretty much everybody here knows that be it Indians or Pakistanis. We have literally changed the course of the political history of South Asia not once but twice in a single century. I would again suggest you to go through the books since you clearly lack the insight to debate in these topics.

Lastly I never opposed the fact that Assamese culture is pretty old and surely your customs, traditions and rituals are far older than ours. You need to understand that even the customs of the cannibalistic tribes in Amazon are far older than ours and of most nations in the world. I was rather referring to civilization which was brought to Assam by Bengalis and the British. Your forefathers had acknowledged it but you and your peers have forgotten because of the artful political propaganda by the mainland Indian politicians as I mentioned in my earlier post. That's why I don't blame you guys rather the Indian politicians from the center.

 

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Assam has always been considered a backwater hinterland of Bengal or more specifically East Bengal, the same reason why it was part of the province of East Bengal and Assam despite great cultural differences with Bengal.

Assam of the British era comprised of the entire NE India barring parts of present day Manipur and Tripura. You are confusing this with the present day state of Assam under the Indian Union. Brahmaputra Valley has a long and glorious history of which predates your Bangladeshi one- for example in the field of language development. What you are referring to are the Naga and Lushai tribes who had to be civilized by the British, in any case they were already under the suzerainty of our Ahom kingdom as were the tribes of Arunachal.

Even to this day majority of the rest of the Indians consider Assam and Northeast in general as habitats of cave dwelling savages.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander..

I was rather referring to civilization which was brought to Assam by Bengalis and the British.

Here is another one of your blatant lies, the socio economic order of us Ahoms- Paik system, was much advanced than your Mughals and was the bedrock of our 7 centuries uninterrupted rule. Whilst we acknowledge the contribution of the British during our Manor Din, it is far fetched to think that Bengalis had any impact on our culture. If anything, we are poles apart with a healthy respect for your people.

I don't think I need to say anything about our contribution to the history of the subcontinent as pretty much everybody here knows

Your Bangladeshi people were just a vestigeal remnant of the real Bengalis from present day West Bengal. You are overshadowed by the Indian Bengalis in all fields of human endeavours. It was the Indian Bengalis who took to individual heroism against the British, reformed the social malpractices of the time, embraced scientific temper and modern methods of education, and left a lasting imprint on Bengali/Indian art and culture. You Bangladeshis were always in their slipstream, but you played your cards well to get a piece of swampland for yourselves- undeservedly!

 

[TopCat]

Assam of the British era comprised of the entire NE India barring parts of present day Manipur and Tripura. You are confusing this with the present day state of Assam under the Indian Union. Brahmaputra Valley has a long and glorious history of which predates your Bangladeshi one- for example in the field of language development. What you are referring to are the Naga and Lushai tribes who had to be civilized by the British, in any case they were already under the suzerainty of our Ahom kingdom as were the tribes of Arunachal.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander..

Here is another one of your blatant lies, the socio economic order of us Ahoms- Paik system, was much advanced than your Mughals and was the bedrock of our 7 centuries uninterrupted rule. Whilst we acknowledge the contribution of the British during our Manor Din, it is far fetched to think that Bengalis had any impact on our culture. If anything, we are poles apart with a healthy respect for your people.

I have nothing to say about your own history and pride. Every nation requires to make their own myth and pride to just survive. I have all the good wishes for that.

Your Bangladeshi people were just a vestigeal remnant of the real Bengalis from present day West Bengal. You are overshadowed by the Indian Bengalis in all fields of human endeavours. It was the Indian Bengalis who took to individual heroism against the British, reformed the social malpractices of the time, embraced scientific temper and modern methods of education, and left a lasting imprint on Bengali/Indian art and culture. You Bangladeshis were always in their slipstream, but you played your cards well to get a piece of swampland for yourselves- undeservedly!

Whatever you are referring about west bengal is actually Calcutta which was the capital of Bengal which accompanied with all its glory. If you go back predate British you will find most of the literary work were based in east bengal even as far as Arakan where Rohingya came from.
And for the fight against British? Well it was muslim which lost against british and you hindus just became a Colony right? For the entire first century it was mainly Miya and Muslim were in the forefront against brits. In the later century it was only the survival for Muslim. Fazlul Haque and his Miya brigade who are the one get you out of the Jamindari with Proja Shotto Ain after he faught against hindu Jamindars and congress.

 

[Species]

Assam of the British era comprised of the entire NE India barring parts of present day Manipur and Tripura. You are confusing this with the present day state of Assam under the Indian Union. Brahmaputra Valley has a long and glorious history of which predates your Bangladeshi one- for example in the field of language development. What you are referring to are the Naga and Lushai tribes who had to be civilized by the British, in any case they were already under the suzerainty of our Ahom kingdom as were the tribes of Arunachal.


What's good for the goose is good for the gander..


Here is another one of your blatant lies, the socio economic order of us Ahoms- Paik system, was much advanced than your Mughals and was the bedrock of our 7 centuries uninterrupted rule. Whilst we acknowledge the contribution of the British during our Manor Din, it is far fetched to think that Bengalis had any impact on our culture. If anything, we are poles apart with a healthy respect for your people.


Your Bangladeshi people were just a vestigeal remnant of the real Bengalis from present day West Bengal. You are overshadowed by the Indian Bengalis in all fields of human endeavours. It was the Indian Bengalis who took to individual heroism against the British, reformed the social malpractices of the time, embraced scientific temper and modern methods of education, and left a lasting imprint on Bengali/Indian art and culture. You Bangladeshis were always in their slipstream, but you played your cards well to get a piece of swampland for yourselves- undeservedly!

No there is no confusion, there was no difference between the Assamese people and the other primitive tribes of Northeast. Though you can take pride in being more civilized than other NE tribes simply due to the fact that there were significantly more Bengali settlements in Assam proper than the rest of the NE during the British period. What you have are some myths mostly centered around the Ahom kingdom, that some Assamese historians try to convert into mainstream historical facts. These historians are mostly locally published and have very low credibility. It's though pertinent to mention that Assamese history has largely remained as a peripheral and trivial part of the history of Bengal and there has hardly been any major study on Assamese history because sadly most well known scholars don't consider it to be worthy of research.


Your ludicrous claim that Bengalis have no influence on Assamese culture can be completely debunked by the mere fact that Assamese people still use Bengali alphabets to write in their language. Not gonna dig deeper on Assamese people here because I don't like to insult any culture no matter how plebeian it is.


And what's with this real Bengali/fake Bengali /Bangladeshi/West Bengal debate that you picked up from West Bengali trolls like a true primitive subordinate? Lol. Almost all the historical heritage sites or cultural heritage of Bengal are based in Bangladesh, but you won't understand or accept the facts due to your inherent inferiority complex.


We had direct role on the partition of India and the liberation war of Bangladesh, the two defining events of modern South Asian history while during both events most South Asians didn't even know that a place called Assam even exists. Your position hasn't changed much as a backwater peripheral state of India though thanks to this NRC fiasco many Indians got to know the word 'Assam' for the first time. Perhaps, it's this jubilation that made you go bonkers and leave hilarious remarks here only to be self-trolled.

 

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What you have are some myths mostly centered around the Ahom kingdom, that some Assamese historians try to convert into mainstream historical facts. These historians are mostly locally published

Yeah, 17 defeats your cohorts had to endure at our hands would definitely seem like a myth to you, an inglourious era which you would better not mention. Heck, lemme step aside from our all powerful Ahom kingdom for a bit take the focus to our Kamarupa empire or the ensuing Koch one that subdued your people for years.

Also, you are ill informed about our buranjis, that you are mistaking for just another locally published history. Buranjis chronicle our hundred years old history in details written with immaculate precision, there is nothing comparable in your Bangladesh's history.

Remember that each state of India has a more vivid and noteworthy history than your newly hatched country, you have nothing to tie your people together other than blatantly shameless ethnofascism with morbid religious connotations.

Your ludicrous claim that Bengalis have no influence on Assamese culture can be completely debunked by the mere fact that Assamese people still use Bengali alphabets to write in their language.

You are clueless as usual, that's why i brought up the example of Odia in an earlier post. Assamese developed from the Kamrupi script and only happen to bear some resemblance to your Bengali. There are enough evidence to showcase that Assamese as a language developed much earlier than your Bangla, and the corrupted version you folks in Bangladesh converse in is ludicrous to say the least.

Your position hasn't changed much as a backwater peripheral state of India

We stopped the advent of Islam in NE India, nuff said! The indigenous Assamese muslims in my state were all prisoners of war taken by us.

 

[Species]

Yeah, 17 defeats your cohorts had to endure at our hands would definitely seem like a myth to you, an inglourious era which you would better not mention. Heck, lemme step aside from our all powerful Ahom kingdom for a bit take the focus to our Kamarupa empire or the ensuing Koch one that subdued your people for years.

Also, you are ill informed about our buranjis, that you are mistaking for just another locally published history. Buranjis chronicle our hundred years old history in details written with immaculate precision, there is nothing comparable in your Bangladesh's history.

Remember that each state of India has a more vivid and noteworthy history than your newly hatched country, you have nothing to tie your people together other than blatantly shameless ethnofascism with morbid religious connotations.

You are clueless as usual, that's why i brought up the example of Odia in an earlier post. Assamese developed from the Kamrupi script and only happen to bear some resemblance to your Bengali. There are enough evidence to showcase that Assamese as a language developed much earlier than your Bangla, and the corrupted version you folks in Bangladesh converse in is ludicrous to say the least.


We stopped the advent of Islam in NE India, nuff said! The indigenous Assamese muslims in my state were all prisoners of war taken by us.

Assamese Muslims in Brahmaputra valley are basically descendents of the Bengali Muslim settlers during the British rule. They adopted Assamese identity only due to political reasons, heck even in the mid 20th century they were politically aligned with Bengali Hindus in Assam and were perceived as the main opponents by the Assamese aborigines. These are open secrets and being an Assamese aborigine you should have known it better but your blatant denial shows you are clearly being defensive.

It's not mere resemblance, you indeed use Bengali alphabets to write in Assamese. As I said, the Assamese scholars with no credibility whatsoever try to convert myths into historical facts which are hardly recognized by the mainstream academia. You could have saved your time without restating the myths by just going through the Unicode standard which states the writing system of Assamese language as 'Bengali script'.

Again, the childhood stories you heard about Ahoms, Kamarup or whatever tribal kingdoms are basically overglorified myths. Being educated you shouldn't be too emotional about it, though there is no harm in appreciating the artistic value of those myths and stories. Now it would be a waste of time if I get into debunking all the hilarious myths one by one that you repeatedly and fruitlessly write here and on which your very existence of Assamese identity depends on simply because you are just being pitifully defensive.

Lastly, though I appreciate the fact that you take pride on whatever historical heritage you have, but one thing I would like to point out that your constant mention of Assamese struggle against the British is quite out of context. Of course, the Assamese people might have held demonstrations against the British but they were not induced by the desire of independence simply because Assamese people were too primitive to understand the concept of nationalism. I mean even the dogs of an area will start barking and attack someone who is not native to the area but that doesn't mean they are being nationalist. Assamese demonstrations are rather of same category of say the Santal rebellion which was mainly held based on perceived injustice. These are vastly different from the struggles made by Bengalis, Punjabis, Marathas etc.

Even the more recent Assam Agitation and the movements leading to the NRC could hardly be stated as nationalist in nature. The prime motivation behind these events is the concern about the perceived demographic threat, a classic feature of tribal societies.

 

[UKBengali]

Of course, the Assamese people might have held demonstrations against the British but they were not induced by the desire of independence simply because Assamese people were too primitive to understand the concept of nationalism. I mean even the dogs of an area will start barking and attack someone who is not native to the area but that doesn't mean they are being nationalist. Assamese demonstrations are rather of same category of say the Santal rebellion which was mainly held based on perceived injustice. These are vastly different from the struggles made by Bengalis, Punjabis, Marathas etc.