We Are All Harappans

[El Sidd]

Stone temples u are talking are relatively recent (1000- 1500) yrs old .

This thread about Harappa
and IVC which are 6000 yrs old .

I Challenge all timelines beyond 1BCE

 

[Suriya]

I Challenge all timelines beyond 1BCE

As i said stone temples recent compared to IVC or even Aryan migration period .

E,g Kailasa temple, Ellora is a fine stone temple built in 8th century .

https://twitter.com/x/status/1025791320533520384

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Hey guys. You know there is a country called Romania. Yes Romania. They have began chanting "we are all Romans now". Based on what? Well first because Romania has the name Romania, second they have few splinters of ancient Roman heritage. Thirdly, it can't be Italy because that was only created 125 years ago. So Italians eat your heart out. Romania cries "we are Romans now". @Tiberius

• Italy ~ home of the Roman Empire
  
• Romania ~ was just a secondary colony called Dacia.

Like I said we see primitives everywhere trying to latch on to something to give them succour and support that they had a history to be proud of. And driven by desperation it is done by hook or crook. A good example is Black Africans claiming Ancient Egypt as a Black African civilization. A few rubbery lips or painting of a dark coloured slave is proof enough. So desperate that random dots are joined to peddle the "Africa" story. In our part of the world the aboriginals of Ganga desperate as they are similiarly latch on to the legacy of the mighty Indus and cry "we are all Harappans". Right !

Shudras trying to be nobility. Never will happen. The Egytians will never accept Black Africa claiming their heritage and Indus Pakistan will never accept Aboriginal Gangadesh claiming our heritage. The membe below conveys nicely my thoughts of the theft of Indus Pakistan's heritage by the Gangadeshi's.

 

[Great Brahmin]

Hindustanis are desperate to prove they have a connection to Pakistan because most of the good history of South Asia comes from Pakistan, e.g Mohenjo Daro, Harappa, Taxila, Peshawar, Lahore, Porus, Panini, Akbar, Shah Jahan, Kanishka, the Bakshali manuscript, etc.

And then they have the audacity to say we are wannabe Arabs lol. It's clear who the wannabes really are.

Panini was a Brahmin, a Hard core Castiest and Racist being from Ancient era. he is the one who literally formed a language out of Aryan mumbo jumbo for Civilized Brahmins. no disrespect but he Considered your Kind and Ancestors Dogs and Subhumans when he was alive.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oUydX_3rG0AC&pg=PA220&dq=panini+brahmin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizvuynjdbcAhWuxIUKHcnjD38Q6AEILDAB#v=onepage&q=panini brahmin&f=false


there is a Reason we are considered a kind of superior being/elite in Western Civilizations but Devils by lower castes who are 98% in South Asia.

 

[Hamza913]

Panini was a Brahmin, a Hard core Castiest and Racist being from Ancient era. he is the one who literally formed a language out of Aryan mumbo jumbo for Civilized Brahmins. no disrespect but he Considered your Kind and Ancestors Dogs and Subhumans when he was alive.

Irrelevant, he's still from Pakistan, not Hindustan.

Also, nobody has their ancestry coming from one source, we are all mixed and all of us will have Brahmins as well as Dalits in our ancestry.

And AFAIK most people from my tribe (Gujjars) were Kshatriya's, which wasn't considered a low caste (however, Gujjars didn't arrive to the region until long after Panini, but we still absorbed indigenous people into our fold).

I ain't no Harrapa barrapa, I belong to those who massacred and subjugated these filthy Neolithics.

Take a DNA test and you will see just how much of your ancestry comes from these "filthy neolithics".

Also, I hope you do realise that for most of South Asian history, non-Brahmins have been in charge, right?

Where does the word 'Harappa' come from? Anyone know?

It was a city in Pakistan several thousand years ago.

Frustratingly he keeps getting banned.

Probably because he needs to cool it with the Islamophobia and racism.

And you are brainwashed by your text books , we are not..

 

[Great Brahmin]

Irrelevant, he's still from Pakistan, not Hindustan.

Also, nobody has their ancestry coming from one source, we are all mixed and all of us will have Brahmins as well as Dalits in our ancestry.

And AFAIK most people from my tribe (Gujjars) were Kshatriya's, which wasn't considered a low caste (however, Gujjars didn't arrive to the region until long after Panini, but we still absorbed indigenous people into our fold).

National boundaries are fake and artificial, creation of brits in modern times. While tribal brotherhood, Blood, faith and lineage dating back to ine of the coldest race is real thing.

during Islamic conquest majority of Brahmins of that region moved/Fled to hills of Himalayan like royal Brahmins dynasty that ruled Afghanistan for 5 centuries.

Today Brahmins who are just below 2.5% in India are nearly 25% in all 3 pahari states, rajputs arw 30% as they were kicked out from plains as well.

You are a Gujjar, we dont consider gujjars closer to us or similar to us, only warrior caste and merchant castes(R1a-z93) are strikelingty similar to us. So we dont share our history, Ancestry and heroes with others, when those heros themselvessaw non brahmins as Dogs , Slaves and sub humans.


On the side note, Are you a baad-gujar rajput?

 

[Hamza913]

National boundaries are fake and artificial, creation of brits in modern times. While tribal brotherhood, Blood, faith and lineage dating back to ine of the coldest race is real thing.

during Islamic conquest majority of Brahmins of that region moved/Fled to hills of Himalayan like royal Brahmins dynasty that ruled Afghanistan for 5 centuries.

Today Brahmins who are just below 2.5% in India are nearly 25% in all 3 pahari states, rajputs arw 30% as they were kicked out from plains as well.

You are a Gujjar, we dont consider gujjars closer to us or similar to us, only warrior caste and merchant castes(R1a-z93) are strikelingty similar to us. So we dont share our history, Ancestry and heroes with others, when those heros themselvessaw non brahmins as Dogs , Slaves and sub humans.


On the side note, Are you a baad-gujar rajput?

That first point is true, however, the region that is now a part of Pakistan is pretty different from Hindustan genetically and culturally. There's also the fact that for most of history, the region that is now a part of Pakistan has been ruled by a separate entity to (most of) the rest of Hindustan.

Many were also killed/enslaved, and others converted.

I'm pretty sure Gujjars were mostly Kshatriya's, as stated before.

You do, most Brahmins are genetically more similar to Pakistanis than any other group on Earth (the ones among you who are a little more pure would be genetically more similar to Afghans).

No, we are regular Gujjars. My family are mixed in terms of clans, with most of them being part of the Khatana and Tor clan. They've also frequently intermarried with non-Gujjars, e.g Rajputs, Pashtuns, Bhatts, Baluchis, etc.

 

[Great Brahmin]

Take a DNA test and you will see just how much of your ancestry comes from these "filthy neolithics".

Also, I hope you do realise that for most of South Asian history, non-Brahmins have been in charge, right?

1) being a Brahmin with Recent Mixing with Brahmin communities of Gujarat, Sindh, Punjab, himachal and Kashmiri i am sure i carry considerable amount of neolithic Genes inside me but thats not something we can consider prideful. what matters us is our Main lineage from ancient Brahmin Clans and Tribes of Rigvedic Confederacy who are our Direct Ancestors whom blood we are even carrying today.

some of my Cousins are mixed with Euros in Anglo world but they still consider themselves pure Brahmins before anything else. mixing with other races is one things but our shared ancestry is what matters most, i dont like mixing with south Indian Brahmins but we feel more pain when they suffer than another people with whom we share our L2 languages. (L1 is Sanskrit)

I share my Tribe with that of Panini and ironically our Tribe have its roots in Border Region of Punjab and Haryana where in 4 Districts majority of our Tribe lives today after we settled there over 5000 years ago.(yes i visited that region and met with my Brothers, best days of my life.)

2) we are called Kingmakers for a Reason. my Family carries title of Royal Priest, we are for thousands of years what Great Chanakya was to Chandragupta Maurya the Great.(may god bless their souls)

 

[Hamza913]

1) being a Brahmin with Recent Mixing with Brahmin communities of Gujarat, Sindh, Punjab, himachal and Kashmiri i am sure i carry considerable amount of neolithic Genes inside me but thats not something we can consider prideful. what matters us is our Main lineage from ancient Brahmin Clans and Tribes of Rigvedic Confederacy who are our Direct Ancestors whom blood we are even carrying today.

some of my Cousins are mixed with Euros in Anglo world but they still consider themselves pure Brahmins before anything else. mixing with other races is one things but our shared ancestry is what matters most, i dont like mixing with south Indian Brahmins but we feel more pain when they suffer than another people with whom we share our L2 languages. (L1 is Sanskrit)

I share my Tribe with that of Panini and ironically our Tribe have its roots in Border Region of Punjab and Haryana where in 4 Districts majority of our Tribe lives today after we settled there over 5000 years ago.(yes i visited that region and met with my Brothers, best days of my life.)

2) we are called Kingmakers for a Reason. my Family carries title of Royal Priest, we are for thousands of years what Great Chanakya was to Chandragupta Maurya the Great.(may god bless their souls)

If you want to identify as a Brahmin, fine, but it doesn't make you better than anyone else.

As said before, for most of history, Brahmins were subservient to others.

 

[LASER1]

I ain't no Harrapa barrapa, I belong to those who massacred and subjugated these filthy Neolithics.

You did jackshit. You are probably a mleccha who later brahminized when Dharmasastra was introduced. So, don't blabber much. Keep calm and move on.

 

[Great Brahmin]

That first point is true, however, the region that is now a part of Pakistan is pretty different from Hindustan genetically and culturally.

thats a separe matter between you and Hindustanis/Indians, nothing to do with us Brahmins.

There's also the fact that for most of history, the region that is now a part of Pakistan has been ruled by a separate entity to (most of) the rest of Hindustan.

again, irreverent to us. you can discuss this matter with other 1.8 billion South Asians as we have no blood in this rivalry.

Many were also killed/enslaved, and others converted.

true but majority simply fled. as jaziya wasn't forced upon us, we were free to live as we wanted. majority of Turko-Persian kings also invited large numbers of Brahmins to their courts and granted us many titles.

I'm pretty sure Gujjars were mostly Kshatriya's, as stated before.

Gujjars look like this in India, do you look like these people ?

i dont know much about kshatriya status as only Rajput Tribes enjoyed that status for nearly 2000 years. only Rajput clan that carries Gujar title is Bad-Gujjars but i dont know.

You do, most Brahmins are genetically more similar to Pakistanis than any other group on Earth (the ones among you who are a little more pure would be genetically more similar to Afghans).

we also share our blood with Austroloids, Negroids, Neolothics and Europeans, in fact closest people to Europeans in South Asia are Brahmins with just 0.10 Distance. but that means nothings, three Germanic nations fought 2 most brutal wars in last 100 years.

we are IndoAryans or (Rig)VedicAryans while Afghans are IranicAryans so we dont have any connection with them as far as i know.

No, we are regular Gujjars. My family are mixed in terms of clans, with most of them being part of the Khatana and Tor clan. They've also frequently intermarried with non-Gujjars, e.g Rajputs, Pashtuns, Bhatts, Baluchis, etc.

tor clan from Tormana ? do your tribe claim origin from White Huns ?

You did jackshit. You are probably a mleccha who later brahminized when Dharmasastra was introduced. So, don't blabber much. Keep calm and move on.

you are a racist man, not cool.

you hurt me feelings, please take that back. :'(

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@padamchen and people say Brahmins caused Hindutwa movement... can you see how much love we get from our "people" ?

 

[Mentee]

 

[Icewolf]

You know people of IVC are distinct from the later on arrived so called Aryans .

You can't claim descendants of IVC and aryans at the same time .

BTW most pakistais think they are descendant of Arab invader MD Qasim or Mughals etc

So the question that comes to mind , How many fathers do u got ??

@Indus Pakistan

Again, nice try Shudra. My descendants are both IVC inhabitants and Aryan, which were later mixed with the IVC people’s. Therefore all Pakistanis have roots in both.

And most Pakistanis don’t think that. We know we aren’t related to Arabs, we have our own history of IVC.

We just HATE when these aboriginal Shudras from the South claim the culture of the Indus which is thousands of miles from where you Dasyus live.

IVC is one of the first great civilizations of the world.


Meanwhile you Dasyu Black monkeys have nothing to your name except street shitting, rat eating, and raping.

 

[Great Brahmin]

If you want to identify as a Brahmin, fine, but it doesn't make you better than anyone else.

sure thing.

As said before, for most of history, Brahmins were subservient to others.

because we are not Kshatriya, sure we ruled some of the greatest Kingdoms from Afghanistan to Vietnam/Indonesia but thats another story. we are not Kshatriyas we are Brahmins, we are kingmakers not Kings.

 

[LASER1]

you are a racist man, not cool.

you hurt me feelings, please take that back. :'(

Haha, well you read back your comments. What I said is infact true. There was no Brahmin in rigveda. Then how can you claim you are a brahmin who subjugated the Harappans. Mleccha because, when Dharmasastra was introduced, the regions surrounding earlier rigvedic tribes were considered mleccha but then they expanded as they adopted or mixed with Rig vedic tribes. I can't trace my ancestors beyond 100 years. So, I don't brag what kind of brahmin I am.