Ways to counter the PTM narrative

[Cliftonite]

ISPR seems to be dealing with the PTM issue in their old fashioned ways. Making Alpha Bravo Charlie-esque dramas wouldn't cut it anymore. If truth be told, most of Pakistani media takes cultural influences from and caters to the east side of the Indus (mostly Punjabi and Urdu speaking). Most of our stars are from Lahore or Karachi, some of the recent films, 'Punjab nahi jaungi', 'Karachi se Lahore', I think my point stands clear.

I would like to ask what are the ways in which we can integrate Pashtuns and Balochs further? We need educated, relatable Pashtun and Baloch stars, artists and celebrities. The rise of Imran Khan and PTI is good in a way that he is some one Pashtuns relate to. We have no nationwide Pashto or Baloch channel. No one watches PTV anymore. No Pashtun and Baloch celebrities to speak of.

Pashto and Baloch music needs to be made more popular. Perhaps even acting as a bridge between us and Afghanistan/Irani Balochistan. Everyone knows how popular RDB, Honey Singh and bhangra are so popular in our side of Punjab. Let our Pashto media influence the Afghan Pashtuns on the other side and lessen their hate for us, when they see Pashtuns here thriving and enjoying. Let achkan and other Pashto music and dances be our way to influence Afghanistan with our soft power.


Nobody knows about this huge province we have of Balochistan, which has a plethora of cultures. Makran in the south which is influenced by Oman. Many of our football players come from that area. It can give way to a rising hip hop scene (Peter Santanello did a vlog on it on the rappers of Lyari). Then Balochistan central which is ethnically Baloch and can serve as a cultural link betwen us and Iran. And north Balochistan which has links to southern Afghanistan in terms of language and culture.

The cuisine of these areas is also a whole different topic. Charsi tikka, chappli kabab, sajji. When Gujaratis worldwide can make dhoklas and Gujarati thali seem fancy, why can't we make our cuisine famous nationally and internationally. Why not make Pathan dhabas famous and accessible instead of the shoddy broken down image that comes to mind?

I'd like to know more ways of what we can do to encourage inclusivity of our cultures and stop these separatist movements feeding on our people's sense of alienation.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM you're free to edit and add stuff.

 

[YeBeWarned]

 

[Naofumi]

You spoke the truth. And someone relying on PDF will think all of the Pakistan speaks Dari, lol.

 

[Pakistan Ka Beta]

ISPR seems to be dealing with the PTM issue in their old fashioned ways. Making Alpha Bravo Charlie-esque dramas wouldn't cut it anymore. If truth be told, most of Pakistani media takes cultural influences from and caters to the east side of the Indus (mostly Punjabi and Urdu speaking). Most of our stars are from Lahore or Karachi, some of the recent films, 'Punjab nahi jaungi', 'Karachi se Lahore', I think my point stands clear.

I would like to ask what are the ways in which we can integrate Pashtuns and Balochs further? We need educated, relatable Pashtun and Baloch stars, artists and celebrities. The rise of Imran Khan and PTI is good in a way that he is some one Pashtuns relate to. We have no nationwide Pashto or Baloch channel. No one watches PTV anymore. No Pashtun and Baloch celebrities to speak of.

Pashto and Baloch music needs to be made more popular. Perhaps even acting as a bridge between us and Afghanistan/Irani Balochistan. Everyone knows how popular RDB, Honey Singh and bhangra are so popular in our side of Punjab. Let our Pashto media influence the Afghan Pashtuns on the other side and lessen their hate for us, when they see Pashtuns here thriving and enjoying. Let achkan and other Pashto music and dances be our way to influence Afghanistan with our soft power.


Nobody knows about this huge province we have of Balochistan, which has a plethora of cultures. Makran in the south which is influenced by Oman. Many of our football players come from that area. It can give way to a rising hip hop scene (Peter Santanello did a vlog on it on the rappers of Lyari). Then Balochistan central which is ethnically Baloch and can serve as a cultural link betwen us and Iran. And north Balochistan which has links to southern Afghanistan in terms of language and culture.

The cuisine of these areas is also a whole different topic. Charsi tikka, chappli kabab, sajji. When Gujaratis worldwide can make dhoklas and Gujarati thali seem fancy, why can't we make our cuisine famous nationally and internationally. Why not make Pathan dhabas famous and accessible instead of the shoddy broken down image that comes to mind?

I'd like to know more ways of what we can do to encourage inclusivity of our cultures and stop these separatist movements feeding on our people's sense of alienation.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM you're free to edit and add stuff.

I think you should not equate Pashtuns and Balochs . Kindly Check Pakistan Federal cabinet names , Cricket team of Pakistan or Armed forces of Pakistan you will find Pashtuns in a large numbers . KP or Pashtun areas of Pakistan only borders Afghanistan while Baloch areas of Pakistan borders Afghanistan , Iran and you can say a third country ( Arabian Sea / Indian ocean ) . Balochistan has a huge area as well , with a limited population . So don't campare them . Just like we usually asked to Indians to not equate Kashmir and Balochistan . They should equate Asaam , Khalistan , Manipur , Nagaland with Balochistan e.t.c .

 

[Ladyuk]

ISPR seems to be dealing with the PTM issue in their old fashioned ways. Making Alpha Bravo Charlie-esque dramas wouldn't cut it anymore. If truth be told, most of Pakistani media takes cultural influences from and caters to the east side of the Indus (mostly Punjabi and Urdu speaking). Most of our stars are from Lahore or Karachi, some of the recent films, 'Punjab nahi jaungi', 'Karachi se Lahore', I think my point stands clear.

I would like to ask what are the ways in which we can integrate Pashtuns and Balochs further? We need educated, relatable Pashtun and Baloch stars, artists and celebrities. The rise of Imran Khan and PTI is good in a way that he is some one Pashtuns relate to. We have no nationwide Pashto or Baloch channel. No one watches PTV anymore. No Pashtun and Baloch celebrities to speak of.

Pashto and Baloch music needs to be made more popular. Perhaps even acting as a bridge between us and Afghanistan/Irani Balochistan. Everyone knows how popular RDB, Honey Singh and bhangra are so popular in our side of Punjab. Let our Pashto media influence the Afghan Pashtuns on the other side and lessen their hate for us, when they see Pashtuns here thriving and enjoying. Let achkan and other Pashto music and dances be our way to influence Afghanistan with our soft power.


Nobody knows about this huge province we have of Balochistan, which has a plethora of cultures. Makran in the south which is influenced by Oman. Many of our football players come from that area. It can give way to a rising hip hop scene (Peter Santanello did a vlog on it on the rappers of Lyari). Then Balochistan central which is ethnically Baloch and can serve as a cultural link betwen us and Iran. And north Balochistan which has links to southern Afghanistan in terms of language and culture.

The cuisine of these areas is also a whole different topic. Charsi tikka, chappli kabab, sajji. When Gujaratis worldwide can make dhoklas and Gujarati thali seem fancy, why can't we make our cuisine famous nationally and internationally. Why not make Pathan dhabas famous and accessible instead of the shoddy broken down image that comes to mind?

I'd like to know more ways of what we can do to encourage inclusivity of our cultures and stop these separatist movements feeding on our people's sense of alienation.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM you're free to edit and add stuff.

To counter ptms narrative you have to have people on the ground to do that do we have that? Secondly we both know as does Tom, dick and Harry that the ptm movement is not about pashtun rights, it's about this mythical pashtunistan, it's about undermining pakistans sovereignty.

If you have the time check out the thread " afghans hate pakistan " I have explained in great detail how we hindikowan punjabis are the natives of kpk and have lived here for thousands of years. Afghans/pathan came from Kabul mainly yusefzai with ghaznavi but the bulk came in the 16th century even then they weren't the majority in main cities until recently.

 

[El Sidd]

Is the charsi tikka a maryjane strain?

 

[Chakar The Great]

ISPR seems to be dealing with the PTM issue in their old fashioned ways. Making Alpha Bravo Charlie-esque dramas wouldn't cut it anymore. If truth be told, most of Pakistani media takes cultural influences from and caters to the east side of the Indus (mostly Punjabi and Urdu speaking). Most of our stars are from Lahore or Karachi, some of the recent films, 'Punjab nahi jaungi', 'Karachi se Lahore', I think my point stands clear.

I would like to ask what are the ways in which we can integrate Pashtuns and Balochs further? We need educated, relatable Pashtun and Baloch stars, artists and celebrities. The rise of Imran Khan and PTI is good in a way that he is some one Pashtuns relate to. We have no nationwide Pashto or Baloch channel. No one watches PTV anymore. No Pashtun and Baloch celebrities to speak of.

Pashto and Baloch music needs to be made more popular. Perhaps even acting as a bridge between us and Afghanistan/Irani Balochistan. Everyone knows how popular RDB, Honey Singh and bhangra are so popular in our side of Punjab. Let our Pashto media influence the Afghan Pashtuns on the other side and lessen their hate for us, when they see Pashtuns here thriving and enjoying. Let achkan and other Pashto music and dances be our way to influence Afghanistan with our soft power.


Nobody knows about this huge province we have of Balochistan, which has a plethora of cultures. Makran in the south which is influenced by Oman. Many of our football players come from that area. It can give way to a rising hip hop scene (Peter Santanello did a vlog on it on the rappers of Lyari). Then Balochistan central which is ethnically Baloch and can serve as a cultural link betwen us and Iran. And north Balochistan which has links to southern Afghanistan in terms of language and culture.

The cuisine of these areas is also a whole different topic. Charsi tikka, chappli kabab, sajji. When Gujaratis worldwide can make dhoklas and Gujarati thali seem fancy, why can't we make our cuisine famous nationally and internationally. Why not make Pathan dhabas famous and accessible instead of the shoddy broken down image that comes to mind?

I'd like to know more ways of what we can do to encourage inclusivity of our cultures and stop these separatist movements feeding on our people's sense of alienation.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM you're free to edit and add stuff.

When I said that same, I was labelled as traitor or BLA sympathiser. All I asked was to build schools and universities, Hospitals, Tourism, provision of clean drinking water and sewerage.

 

[TMA]

ISPR seems to be dealing with the PTM issue in their old fashioned ways. Making Alpha Bravo Charlie-esque dramas wouldn't cut it anymore. If truth be told, most of Pakistani media takes cultural influences from and caters to the east side of the Indus (mostly Punjabi and Urdu speaking). Most of our stars are from Lahore or Karachi, some of the recent films, 'Punjab nahi jaungi', 'Karachi se Lahore', I think my point stands clear.

I would like to ask what are the ways in which we can integrate Pashtuns and Balochs further? We need educated, relatable Pashtun and Baloch stars, artists and celebrities. The rise of Imran Khan and PTI is good in a way that he is some one Pashtuns relate to. We have no nationwide Pashto or Baloch channel. No one watches PTV anymore. No Pashtun and Baloch celebrities to speak of.

Pashto and Baloch music needs to be made more popular. Perhaps even acting as a bridge between us and Afghanistan/Irani Balochistan. Everyone knows how popular RDB, Honey Singh and bhangra are so popular in our side of Punjab. Let our Pashto media influence the Afghan Pashtuns on the other side and lessen their hate for us, when they see Pashtuns here thriving and enjoying. Let achkan and other Pashto music and dances be our way to influence Afghanistan with our soft power.


Nobody knows about this huge province we have of Balochistan, which has a plethora of cultures. Makran in the south which is influenced by Oman. Many of our football players come from that area. It can give way to a rising hip hop scene (Peter Santanello did a vlog on it on the rappers of Lyari). Then Balochistan central which is ethnically Baloch and can serve as a cultural link betwen us and Iran. And north Balochistan which has links to southern Afghanistan in terms of language and culture.

The cuisine of these areas is also a whole different topic. Charsi tikka, chappli kabab, sajji. When Gujaratis worldwide can make dhoklas and Gujarati thali seem fancy, why can't we make our cuisine famous nationally and internationally. Why not make Pathan dhabas famous and accessible instead of the shoddy broken down image that comes to mind?

I'd like to know more ways of what we can do to encourage inclusivity of our cultures and stop these separatist movements feeding on our people's sense of alienation.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM you're free to edit and add stuff.

Yes. I agree. Pakistan is swayed too much to the east which is understandble given the population densities. Perhaps encouraging your kith and kin to learn about Pukhtoon and Baloch history and not binge watching Bollywood?

 

[Cliftonite]

Yes. I agree. Pakistan is swayed too much to the east which is understandble given the population densities. Perhaps encouraging your kith and kin to learn about Pukhtoon and Baloch history and not binge watching Bollywood?

Forcing is always wrong. Provide better alternatives to Bollywood. Our audience drifted away from shitty Star Plus shows after our drama industry took off because our quality was better. Simple supply and demand.

 

[TMA]

Forcing is always wrong. Provide better alternatives to Bollywood. Our audience drifted away from shitty Star Plus shows after our drama industry took off because our quality was better. Simple supply and demand.

I meant as individuals. The cultural elites are bedazzled by Bollywood and have disdain towards KPK and Balochistan. I don't think they can be swayed.

 

[FuturePAF]

ISPR seems to be dealing with the PTM issue in their old fashioned ways. Making Alpha Bravo Charlie-esque dramas wouldn't cut it anymore. If truth be told, most of Pakistani media takes cultural influences from and caters to the east side of the Indus (mostly Punjabi and Urdu speaking). Most of our stars are from Lahore or Karachi, some of the recent films, 'Punjab nahi jaungi', 'Karachi se Lahore', I think my point stands clear.

I would like to ask what are the ways in which we can integrate Pashtuns and Balochs further? We need educated, relatable Pashtun and Baloch stars, artists and celebrities. The rise of Imran Khan and PTI is good in a way that he is some one Pashtuns relate to. We have no nationwide Pashto or Baloch channel. No one watches PTV anymore. No Pashtun and Baloch celebrities to speak of.

Pashto and Baloch music needs to be made more popular. Perhaps even acting as a bridge between us and Afghanistan/Irani Balochistan. Everyone knows how popular RDB, Honey Singh and bhangra are so popular in our side of Punjab. Let our Pashto media influence the Afghan Pashtuns on the other side and lessen their hate for us, when they see Pashtuns here thriving and enjoying. Let achkan and other Pashto music and dances be our way to influence Afghanistan with our soft power.


Nobody knows about this huge province we have of Balochistan, which has a plethora of cultures. Makran in the south which is influenced by Oman. Many of our football players come from that area. It can give way to a rising hip hop scene (Peter Santanello did a vlog on it on the rappers of Lyari). Then Balochistan central which is ethnically Baloch and can serve as a cultural link betwen us and Iran. And north Balochistan which has links to southern Afghanistan in terms of language and culture.

The cuisine of these areas is also a whole different topic. Charsi tikka, chappli kabab, sajji. When Gujaratis worldwide can make dhoklas and Gujarati thali seem fancy, why can't we make our cuisine famous nationally and internationally. Why not make Pathan dhabas famous and accessible instead of the shoddy broken down image that comes to mind?

I'd like to know more ways of what we can do to encourage inclusivity of our cultures and stop these separatist movements feeding on our people's sense of alienation.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM you're free to edit and add stuff.

Even if we have to borrow to do it, we should quickly bring all regions of the country up to the same standards as the standard in the most developed parts of the country. Even if it costs us more to deliver the same services in Panjgur or Khuzdar, we should do it to build up national unity and social cohesion. There is a Twitter post I saw today by a person named Ihsan Baloch ; where he says:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1264162395708104704

if we can do this very quickly, as a phase 1 it will ease some of the situation. Baluchistan is 5% of the population but had investment in hospital at Turbat, Panjgur, and Taftan been better, we could have contained the coronavirus there before it had a chance to spread.
So phase 1 is equal schools, hospitals, sanitation, water canals and roads.


As a phase 2; Baluchis should get preference for CPEC jobs within their immediate locale; such as people from Turbat should get preference for work near Turbat. Bus and train facilities should be upgraded to ease people getting their goods to market, going to work or school or going to the doctor. Vocational training should be done to modernize the techniques and maximize people’s productivity in the chosen field. Such as modern tools for a farm veterinarian, and a short course to help them learn new techniques. Making connections between local crafts persons and helping to export their products internationally should be a projects as well. We should also purchase a few Gyrocopter ambulances like the C44 to link small villages with Hospitals. It is 5 times cheaper than a helicopter and just need a small road to take off. This will bring the benefits of modern medicine to even the most remote villages. Good relations between local police and courts; made up of a mix of locals and people from other parts of the country will also build trust in the system. Top Students for the next 20-30 years from not only Baluchistan, but KPK and “Interior” Sindh, as well as Gilgit/Baltistan and southern Punjab should be given seats In the top universities; to build up a core of top talent, which can help bring up their regions to the national standard. The domestic tourism industry should also be built up. Such as hill stations for the people of southern Punjab all the down to Karachi can visit places like Fort Monro and near by places, as well as Las Bela and places along the Makran Coastal Highway. Seed investments to local cultural channels, movies, music, and food should be done as well. These cultural programs should appear on all tv channels with multiple subtitles So that these talented people can get exposure. We could find great talent in our local market of over 200 million people, and then help them go global. Coke studio is one example of how this could be done. English and local language mixed songs should also be supported to gain support among the diaspora as well.

as a phase 3; small dams should be build on all rivers possible to maximize arable land and stabilize the economy of the region (as well as provide stable water supply and cheap electricity). At least half the processing for the mines should be done in the areas near the mines to link mining with local jobs and share the benefits. Once these dams irrigate more land, it will open up more places for Tourism. Based upon resources found in the area, CPEC factories to make finished goods should be allocated on a commercial basis to each area, as well as subcontractoring components around the country to spread the opportunity.

Once these regions have caught up to the rest of the country, then money should go to equal share based upon maintaining equal services not equal per capita, as the costs to deliver services over a wider area will always be higher.

in the future if a mine in one region starts to generate revenue, local people will know they will benefit more than an average citizen(as they will get their fair share and most local jobs), even if the majority of the money goes to the national treasury.

In the US where this is done you find the most patriotic Americans. Their regions are not as developed in everything as the big cities, but their hospitals, schools, and public services are nearly just as good, and people feel they are American more than anything else, from what I have personally seen.

 

[Cliftonite]

I'd also want to include Gilgit Baltistan in my post too. They also fall to the west of the Indus spectrum culturally. And integrating them is very necessary. We've done them a great disservice to them by not giving them representation in the assembly.