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Libyan new leaders pledge 'moderate' Islamic rule

Tuesday, September 13, 2011
TRIPOLI - Agence France-Presse
Libyan revolutionary supporters react as Libyan Transitional National Council chairman Mustafa Abdel Jalil delivers his speech on the former Green Square renamed as Martyr's Square in Tripoli. AP photo

Libyan revolutionary supporters react as Libyan Transitional National Council chairman Mustafa Abdel Jalil delivers his speech on the former Green Square renamed as Martyr's Square in Tripoli. AP photo

Libya's new leaders pledged "moderate" Islamic rule even as their fighters were accused by Amnesty International on Tuesday of committing possible war crimes.

A defiant Moamer Kadhafi, meanwhile, vowed from hiding to battle on until victory as his forces launched surprise fightbacks on three fronts.

Interim leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil received a hero's welcome when he made a public speech in Tripoli's main square late on Monday.

Thousands celebrated last month's fall of the Kadhafi regime in Martyrs' Square, two days after Abdel Jalil, the head of the National Transitional Council (NTC), arrived in Tripoli from Benghazi in the east.

Moderate Islam would be the main source of legislation in post-Kadhafi Libya, he told the crowd.

"We will not accept any extremist ideology, on the right or the left. We are a Muslim people, for a moderate Islam, and we will stay on this road," he said.

In a new report released Tuesday, Amnesty International accused Kadhafi's regime of crimes against humanity but also said NTC fighters had committed possible war crimes.

While the London-based rights group's report consisted mainly of damning examples of violations by Kadhafi's regime, it said the NTC appeared unwilling to hold its fighters accountable for human rights violations.

Amnesty said in the first days of the uprising against Kadhafi's rule groups of protesters killed a number of captured soldiers and suspected mercenaries.

"Some were beaten to death, at least three were hanged, and others were shot dead after they had been captured or had surrendered, the report, "The Battle for Libya -- Killings, Disappearances and Torture," said.

"The NTC is facing a difficult task of reigning in opposition fighters and vigilante groups responsible for serious human rights abuses, including possible war crimes but has shown unwillingness to hold them accountable," the report said.

But Amnesty acknowledged that the war crimes allegedly committed by the now governing opposition were of a "smaller scale" than those carried out by Kadhafi's regime, which it says may be responsible for crimes against humanity.

Kadhafi, meanwhile, in a statement read out on Syria-based Arrai Oruba television, vowed to defeat those behind the "coup" that ousted him.

"It is not possible to give Libya to the colonialists again," the one-time strongman said.

"All that remains for us is the struggle until victory and the defeat of the coup," added the former leader who has gone underground since Tripoli fell to rebel fighters late last month.

On the battlefield, Kadhafi's remaining forces launched ferocious counterattacks Monday on the oil refinery town of Ras Lanuf in the east, on the road towards Kadhafi's hometown of Sirte, and at Bani Walid southeast of the capital Tripoli.

Striking deep behind enemy lines, Kadhafi fighters killed at least 12 NTC soldiers at Ras Lanuf, an NTC military spokesman told AFP.

The oil infrastructure along the Mediterranean coast between Sidra and Brega was a key battleground of the seven-month uprising against Kadhafi, as the mainly rebel-held east and mainly government-held west fought it out.

But since Tripoli's fall, NTC forces have advanced dozens of kilometres (miles) west towards Sirte, which remains in Kadhafi's hand, moving to secure the vital oil infrastructure on which its post-war reconstruction plans depend.

Southeast of Tripoli, civilians poured out of the desert town of Bani Walid Monday after intense fighting between Kadhafi loyalists and troops of the new regime who have encircled it.

But those fleeing said many more remained trapped inside the oasis town, 180 kilometres (110 miles) from the capital, for want of fuel for their vehicles.

"Families are scared to death by this war," said Mohammed Suleiman as he passed through a checkpoint with 10 relatives crammed into the back of his white BMW.

West of Sirte, an NTC commander said his forces had met strong resistance as they advanced to a place called "Checkpoint 50" -- 50 kilometres from the town.

"We came under fire from a lot of Grads (rockets)," said field commander Umran al-Awaib.

The unexpected counter-offensive by Kadhafi loyalists came despite the flight to neighbouring Niger of 32 members of his inner circle during the past 10 days.

"A total of 32 people are now here, including one of (Kadhafi's) sons, Saadi, as well as three generals," Niger's Prime Minister Brigi Rafini said.

They crossed the border in four separate groups and had been taken in for "humanitarian reasons", he added.

The most recent arrivals included Saadi, the third of Kadhafi's seven sons, who has a reputation as a playboy; and eight of the fallen despot's other close associates, Rafini added.

US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Niger was preparing to detain Saadi.

"We have confirmed with the government of Niger that Saadi crossed over, that they are either in the process or have already brought him to the capital of Niamey and intend to detain him," she said.

On the diplomatic front, China which opposed the NATO campaign backing the anti-Kadhafi forces, finally recognised Libya's interim government after weeks of holding back.

Washington also announced it had sent an advance team to help its officials reopen the US embassy in Tripoli.
 
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West is soon going to realize they made the biggest blunder by throwing GADAGI because many of rebel are supporters of AL QAEDA and most of them are strict Islamists many secular Arabs who were also against Gadafi but still said west is making a biggest blunder by supporting these guys and soon west will also know it GOD BLESS the WEST HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
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West is soon going to realize they made the biggest blunder by throwing GADAGI because many of rebel are supporters of AL QAEDA and most of them are strict Islamists many secular Arabs who were also against Gadafi but still said west is making a biggest blunder by supporting these guys and soon west will also know it GOD BLESS the WEST HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"God bless the west" - so you an al-Qaeda supporter as well?
 
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The TNC are between a rock and a hard place....

The West is afraid they might be Islamists-in-hiding. Others fear they might be Western stooges.

They've got to tread a fine line and calm everyone's suspicions.
 
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It always surprised me. Everytime i saw them on ALJAZEERA their battle cry was - Allahu Akbar. not anything related to ' libya or democracy'
 
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West is soon going to realize they made the biggest blunder by throwing GADAGI because many of rebel are supporters of AL QAEDA and most of them are strict Islamists many secular Arabs who were also against Gadafi but still said west is making a biggest blunder by supporting these guys and soon west will also know it GOD BLESS the WEST HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It always surprised me. Everytime i saw them on ALJAZEERA their battle cry was - Allahu Akbar. not anything related to ' libya or democracy'

Assalam alaikum

Brother they r not alqaeda supporters they r only simple muslims, libyan r known they love quran out of six million 1million memorize quran by heart.

TARIQ
 
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West is soon going to realize they made the biggest blunder by throwing GADAGI because many of rebel are supporters of AL QAEDA .........

The Libyan rebels have nothing to do with Al Qaeda, it is the propaganda of Qaddafi to gain western support. Matter of fact, Al Qaeda is trying to hijack the achievements of the Libyan rebels.
 
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Libya is a Muslim country. Even Gaddafi did away with the Christian calendar and introduced the Islamic calendar when he came into power. A moderate Islamic government will be good for Libya and the world. As long as the government serves the people then I believe that they will meet the requirements of a good Islamic government.
 
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Libya is a Muslim country. Even Gaddafi did away with the Christian calendar and introduced the Islamic calendar when he came into power. A moderate Islamic government will be good for Libya and the world. As long as the government serves the people then I believe that they will meet the requirements of a good Islamic government.

I couldn't agree more. Secular governments in the Muslim world can do everything to retain power and that creates situations like we had in 1971.


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It always surprised me. Everytime i saw them on ALJAZEERA their battle cry was - Allahu Akbar. not anything related to ' libya or democracy'

Under Qaddafi's so-called 'secular democracy', these Libyans have realised what Islam is. Hence, their fondness for Islamic rule.
 
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Americas and zionist worst nightmare..with return of pan-islamism and "King Faisal" policies in the middle east. First Egypt, then Libya and soon Syria..
 
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Americas and zionist worst nightmare..with return of pan-islamism and "King Faisal" policies in the middle east. First Egypt, then Libya and soon Syria..

Zionism is the invention of the secular Jews. Peace loving pious Jews are vehemently against zionism and the bloodshed and tyranny associated with it. In america these righteous Jews are organizing against israel's policy of dehumanizing the Palestinians. These Jews rightly blame secularism for all the chaos at this moment in this world.


http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/history.cfm
 
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Muslim Brotherhood debates Turkey model


Renewed debate over the applicability of Turkey as a model for Egypt and other countries in the region has been sparked by the Turkish prime minister’s remarks on secularism during a speech in Cairo.

“Turkey is a model for the other countries [in the region],” Mohammed Badie, the general guide of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, told the Hürriyet Daily News in an interview Wednesday after meeting with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

“There are very emotional ties between Turkish and Egyptian people. These ties have been stressed during our meeting with Erdoğan. And we felt that these sentiments are mutual,” Badie said, adding that they are very proud of the Turkish presence and the way the Turkish economy is booming in the region.

Other factions in the group, however, criticized Erdoğan’s televised remarks, in which he called on Egyptians to adopt a secular constitution and said they should “not be wary of secularism.”

“We welcome Turkey and we welcome Erdoğan as a prominent leader, but we do not think he or his country alone should be leading the region or drawing up its future,” said Essam el-Erian, deputy leader of the Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice party, Reuters reported.

“Arab states do not need outside projects. This has to come from the new internal systems of the Arab countries, which after the revolutions … will be democratic ones,” said Erian, who was jailed under former Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak.

During his visit to Egypt, the first stop in an “Arab Spring” tour that is also set to include Tunisia and Libya, Erdoğan met with representatives of different political groups in Egypt, ranging from the Muslim Brotherhood to liberal revolutionary youth in Tahrir Square. The Turkish prime minister also held separate meetings with the candidates who will run for the Egyptian presidency in November, including Arab nationalist Hamadein Sabbahi, former Muslim Brotherhood leader Ebul Futuh and former Arab League Secretary-General Amr Musa.

PM’s message: ‘Be united’

Diplomatic sources said Erdoğan conveyed the message “be united for Egypt” to the different political groups that he met, and demonstrated Turkey’s evenhandedness to all the political wings vying for Egypt’s presidency by meeting almost all of them separately.

During his visit, Erdoğan showed Turkey’s good will and intention to support Egypt in the transition process and gave the message of “unity and solidarity for the stability of Egypt” to the parties he met, sources said.

The Muslim Brotherhood’s Badie said the group felt very positively about the efforts Turkey has made for Egypt. “The prime minister has already met the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces and the Egyptian prime minister and they have signed a number of agreements as part of our strategic cooperation,” he said. “We hope this cooperation will bear fruit in the future.”

Demand of support from AKP

While in Cairo, Erdoğan also came together with representatives of the different political groups, nongovernmental organizations and academics at a dinner Tuesday.

Representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood asked Erdoğan if his ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP, can give them support in their politics. Erdoğan replied by saying they are in contact with all the political entities in Egypt and Turkey is ready to help anyone who asks for help.
 
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I couldn't agree more. Secular governments in the Muslim world can do everything to retain power and that creates situations like we had in 1971.


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Under Qaddafi's so-called 'secular democracy', these Libyans have realised what Islam is. Hence, their fondness for Islamic rule.
Sir its not western propaganda the two main cities which Rebels belong are also the cities of many Al Qaeda leaders
 
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Sir its not western propaganda the two main cities which Rebels belong are also the cities of many Al Qaeda leaders

No, it is not western propaganda, it is Gaddafi's propaganda. How do you know that Al Qaeda leaders are in Libya? Have you personally met them? Even if one or two Al Qaeda operatives hide in Libya that does not mean that they have taken over the revolution. Yes, Al Qaeda would love to take the credit for the revolution but they are good for nothing but terrorism. Wherever or whenever the Muslims show some achievement Al Qaeda show up as a spoiler.
 
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