Was There Treason Against Pakistan In Higher Ranks Of Paf:---

[Preacher]

Hi,

Pakistan is at the brink of a war with its neighbor one more time in the last 20 years---and as usual the only arm of the Pak military that is lagging behind in confronting the enemy is Pakistan air force---.

One more time Paf has been caught ill prepared and not ready for full scale combat against its arch enemy---.

Rather than buying a potent aircraft some 17 years ago---the Paf chose to build and manufacture their own aircraft---the supposedly sanctions proof aircraft---. Supposedly the Paf never got permission from its arch enemy that while it was getting the aircraft ready for combat---the enemy would not get close to a war or the two nations would be at the brink of war---.

The stupidity of the Paf hierarchy is well evident from the fact that it did not cover its bases before it went on the venture of building its own fighter aircraft---meaning that if it had procured a respectable number of potent aircraft in a timely manner---and then progressed to build a fighter of its own---the situation would not be as helpless as it would seem to be now---.

Staying intentionally weak and less equipped has put the sovreignty of the nation of pakistan at stake---.

With a weak air force---the pak military would have to take strategic steps---the nuclear option---sooner rather than later to protect its soil and to keep its integrity alive and secure---.

An inherently weaker pakistan air force for the last 17 years had made the enemy braver by the day and by the year as they knew pak military could not retaliate with a strong action due to lack of fighting aircraft---. The enemy has used that weakness to their advantage by openly threatening the integrity of pakistan multiple times over the years.

For the last many a years---I have raised this question many a times---and I bring it up again---.

Has it been out of COWARDICE that the Paf has chosen not to get the much needed aircraft in a timely manner---is it out of cowardice that the Paf has decided to become a defensive airforce---. There are so many questions that are put there for the Paf---but no Paf officer out there to answer them for the public---.

Kindly also enlighten us and our incompetent Air force what were they actually supposed to do in a more detailed and logical answer ? Since you seems to know more than guys sitting at AHQ.

 

[Kompromat]

Mastan would pay for F-22s.

 

[Mrc]

Being a nuclear power we need to be producing our own brands of weapons...

They are not world beating yet but will get there....

Jf 17 was the best possible decision...

Its enough for ispr to claim that u cannot surprise us (with bought weapons all details available) but we will definitely surprise u... Caz u dont know shit about our domestically produced products....

And same goes to author of this thread

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Relax there are many big brains working in the offices and they know their job very well

 

[Hayreddin]

Pakistan has weakest air defence system no long range sam system . In last few years armed forces realized tht and now looing for new system.This is alarming .
Paf should have gone for 3 squadron of J10B/C or J16 to fill in the gaps until project azm . Yes in this regard PAF lacking behind and their lone dependence on jft until 5th gen project azm was poor visionary policy .
BUT things are not so worse ....... IAF DONT STAND A CHANCE AGAINST PAF
1 :At the moment 120 jft and 74 f16 comprising 190 +/- jets against 380 +/- su30, mig29 , mirages are in the game .
2: Accept the reality PAF will fight defensive war .
3: PAF wld try to engage IAF over pak airspace to bring Air defense equation in game too .Losses of IAF would be much more greater thn PAF too.
4 : iAF wont be able to bring all its 380-400 capable fighter jets on pak border and even they do so still fighter ratio is 2:1 . NOT a big deal in presence of sam system and good bvr capability .

 

[Sinnerman108]

Hi,

Pakistan is at the brink of a war with its neighbor one more time in the last 20 years---and as usual the only arm of the Pak military that is lagging behind in confronting the enemy is Pakistan air force---.

One more time Paf has been caught ill prepared and not ready for full scale combat against its arch enemy---.

Rather than buying a potent aircraft some 17 years ago---the Paf chose to build and manufacture their own aircraft---the supposedly sanctions proof aircraft---. Supposedly the Paf never got permission from its arch enemy that while it was getting the aircraft ready for combat---the enemy would not get close to a war or the two nations would be at the brink of war---.

The stupidity of the Paf hierarchy is well evident from the fact that it did not cover its bases before it went on the venture of building its own fighter aircraft---meaning that if it had procured a respectable number of potent aircraft in a timely manner---and then progressed to build a fighter of its own---the situation would not be as helpless as it would seem to be now---.

Staying intentionally weak and less equipped has put the sovreignty of the nation of pakistan at stake---.

With a weak air force---the pak military would have to take strategic steps---the nuclear option---sooner rather than later to protect its soil and to keep its integrity alive and secure---.

An inherently weaker pakistan air force for the last 17 years had made the enemy braver by the day and by the year as they knew pak military could not retaliate with a strong action due to lack of fighting aircraft---. The enemy has used that weakness to their advantage by openly threatening the integrity of pakistan multiple times over the years.

For the last many a years---I have raised this question many a times---and I bring it up again---.

Has it been out of COWARDICE that the Paf has chosen not to get the much needed aircraft in a timely manner---is it out of cowardice that the Paf has decided to become a defensive airforce---. There are so many questions that are put there for the Paf---but no Paf officer out there to answer them for the public---.

Espionage is a constant phenomenon.
It happens in Pakistan, india and everywhere else ..
Everyone from lower to higher ranks does it.
I have seen too many brown and white skinned folks doing it .. to now finally accept it as a part of business.

 

[Hayreddin]

J10 May be a hell of a plane but jf17 with AESA and bvr , with low maintainability, high sortie generation rate, sufficient numbers and simple operation is good enough for Pakistan's needs.


In the end it is the man behind the gun who matters. Result of the battle will be decided by the ones who are ready to go the extra mile

Paf should have gone for 3 squadron of J10B/C or J16 to fill in the gaps until project azm . Yes in this regard PAF lacking behind and their lone dependence on jft until 5th gen project azm was poor visionary policy .
BUT things are not so worse ....... IAF DONT STAND A CHANCE AGAINST PAF
1 :At the moment 120 jft and 74 f16 comprising 190 +/- jets against 380 +/- su30, mig29 , mirages are in the game .
2: Accept the reality PAF will fight defensive war .
3: PAF wld try to engage IAF over pak airspace to bring Air defense equation in game too .Losses of IAF would be much more greater thn PAF too.
4 : iAF wont be able to bring all its 380-400 capable fighter jets on pak border and even they do so still fighter ratio is 2:1 . NOT a big deal in presence of sam system and good bvr capability

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Who told you PAF is not prepared?

I don't know enough to comment on our respected @MastanKhan here but certainly PAF in 1999 was on vacation. I mean while Kargil played out and our brave soldiers on top of mountain peaks got blasted by Indian Airforce Mirages PAF was like ...

 

[KRAIT]

Pakistan won't have anything to combat Rafale.

 

[randomradio]

Pakistan won't have anything to combat Rafale.

We don't have any Rafales yet anyway.

 

[KRAIT]

We don't have any Rafales yet anyway.

I am talking about future. 3-4 years down the line.

 

[Mrc]

Even.with.money. . What do you guys think is it better to have domestic products or buy off shelf???

Arabs have money and they buy off shelf.... Consider that

No.body will ever sell u a really war winning weapon... U are 1000 times better with domestic products

 

[randomradio]

Hi,

Pakistan is at the brink of a war with its neighbor one more time in the last 20 years---and as usual the only arm of the Pak military that is lagging behind in confronting the enemy is Pakistan air force---.

One more time Paf has been caught ill prepared and not ready for full scale combat against its arch enemy---.

Rather than buying a potent aircraft some 17 years ago---the Paf chose to build and manufacture their own aircraft---the supposedly sanctions proof aircraft---. Supposedly the Paf never got permission from its arch enemy that while it was getting the aircraft ready for combat---the enemy would not get close to a war or the two nations would be at the brink of war---.

The stupidity of the Paf hierarchy is well evident from the fact that it did not cover its bases before it went on the venture of building its own fighter aircraft---meaning that if it had procured a respectable number of potent aircraft in a timely manner---and then progressed to build a fighter of its own---the situation would not be as helpless as it would seem to be now---.

Staying intentionally weak and less equipped has put the sovreignty of the nation of pakistan at stake---.

With a weak air force---the pak military would have to take strategic steps---the nuclear option---sooner rather than later to protect its soil and to keep its integrity alive and secure---.

An inherently weaker pakistan air force for the last 17 years had made the enemy braver by the day and by the year as they knew pak military could not retaliate with a strong action due to lack of fighting aircraft---. The enemy has used that weakness to their advantage by openly threatening the integrity of pakistan multiple times over the years.

For the last many a years---I have raised this question many a times---and I bring it up again---.

Has it been out of COWARDICE that the Paf has chosen not to get the much needed aircraft in a timely manner---is it out of cowardice that the Paf has decided to become a defensive airforce---. There are so many questions that are put there for the Paf---but no Paf officer out there to answer them for the public---.

There's nothing wrong with buying the JF-17, it plays the part of a workhorse as the low end component.

PAF is sorely lacking a modernised high end aircraft. Only F-16s, but those are too old now and not enough to counter the Su-30. PAF needs J-10Cs with AESA radars ASAP at the very minimum. But money is why this hasn't been done yet.

I am talking about future. 3-4 years down the line.

Okay, yeah. But the situation now seems like a limited war is in the offing. This is what @MastanKhan is talking about.

 

[litman]

I don't know enough to comment on our respected @MastanKhan here but certainly PAF in 1999 was on vacation. I mean while Kargil played out and our brave soldiers on top of mountain peaks got blasted by Indian Airforce Mirages PAF was like ...

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what PAF should have done? attack indian army positions or shoot down indian jets in support of "mujahideen" as this was the name given to them by our army and govt to the troops fighting in kargil and we told the whole world that these are mujahideens in kargil and not pak army regulars. kargil was a disaster. those who planned the operation and those who approved the operation must be hanged publicly. those who planned the operation didnt even bother to inform PAF and PN.

 

[denel]

we should ask china for j31 or j20 stealth fighter immediately if we have no money then procure them for loan or deferred payments

China is no substitute for stupidity and sellout at the top echelon.

Relax there are many big brains working in the offices and they know their job very well

Armed forces volks dont have brains.... they are not engineers or educated strategists.

Being a nuclear power we need to be producing our own brands of weapons...

They are not world beating yet but will get there....

Jf 17 was the best possible decision...

Its enough for ispr to claim that u cannot surprise us (with bought weapons all details available) but we will definitely surprise u... Caz u dont know shit about our domestically produced products....

And same goes to author of this thread

Because there is nothing of significant to note of domestic products. Get a handle pal.
Economy is bankrupt beyond repair for at least a decade, education/health/infrastructure neglected for decades and here you want to tout production.

Paf should have gone for 3 squadron of J10B/C or J16 to fill in the gaps until project azm . Yes in this regard PAF lacking behind and their lone dependence on jft until 5th gen project azm was poor visionary policy .
BUT things are not so worse ....... IAF DONT STAND A CHANCE AGAINST PAF
1 :At the moment 120 jft and 74 f16 comprising 190 +/- jets against 380 +/- su30, mig29 , mirages are in the game .
2: Accept the reality PAF will fight defensive war .
3: PAF wld try to engage IAF over pak airspace to bring Air defense equation in game too .Losses of IAF would be much more greater thn PAF too.
4 : iAF wont be able to bring all its 380-400 capable fighter jets on pak border and even they do so still fighter ratio is 2:1 . NOT a big deal in presence of sam system and good bvr capability

Indeed. J10c and immediately get jh-7b for all strategic sorties and remove mirage coffins.