Was communism a bad thing ? a discussion

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

If communism is bad , then why is it that China who is a communist state has federal reserves of 20 trillion + while most of the Capalist states are going thru massive resessions.

I mean not only China but even the so half and half state like Russia is doing not bad as they are sitting on world energy reserves.

What was it really that every one feared from th communist , rule of thumb is if a country is independent they probbly want to be run by its own set of rule so why did we wasted 40-60 years fighting communism

Communist China now leading the capatalist World

Something to ponder and wonder can a communist can be a successfull capatalist hybrid ???

Mean while in US there are new initiatives to launch programs social programs etc heath care regulation of all the insurance sector and financial section in essence we are seeeing the capatalist system being changed into a hybrid ...

So what was it so bad 30 years ago

One of the argumenst that I hear from Capatalist is that , well communism was againt having dreams and visions ... and a person could not become what they dream of becoming ...but same is also true , for ppl living in Capatalist society

a) A person who gets bad grades in highschool can't get into universities as its
watched by old corn dogs.

b) You can't get into specific medical branches easily or in R&D

or ... the state tells you how much tax you have to pay or else you wages will be garnished....

etc .. so an so ....

Is the world changing to Pre - Capatalist world ?

The old system left only few ppl with TONES and tones of wealth and they control the gov and businesses and media while the poor folks , while they had a chance to build a lifestyle but alot of good ppl have suffered losses ...

 

[somebozo]

Communisam was a bad thing..China is politically communist and economically market. Trade and wealth are basis of human fabric and one cannot replace them. Also communism became too much to be point of ridiculous. Considerable national gains were thawrted for the sake of ego showoff..
When you farmer makes as much as a scientest, there is little hope in people left to progress.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Communisam was a bad thing..China is politically communist and economically market. Trade and wealth are basis of human fabric and one cannot replace them. Also communism became too much to be point of ridiculous. Considerable national gains were thawrted for the sake of ego showoff..
When you farmer makes as much as a scientest, there is little hope in people left to progress.

But , why are we not crediting Communism as a success ?
Are all Success of communism a fluke ? The point I am trying to make is why don't we give credit to communist where it succeeded.

But technically a farmer should make more thn scientist as he owns million acre property (as the case in pakistan)

So why is that we can't advance ?

Communism focuses on national interest vs personal interest

Then why do we hear US always stating , well due to National Intrest
we can't disclose that information ... shouldn't all the information be shared ?


Would we have our current fuedal system ? in Communism I doubt it may be we should try it for 10 years - at least that will kill off feudal lord system in farm lands

 

[LegionnairE]

Communism is stupid, thats why berlin wall collapsed...

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

What has communism has to do with the wall the wall was a line border .......

I read a bit about different modes of thought process and all communism was , every one gets something from state as right of living in state and state comes frist

But I see the same rules being applied in capatalism ... state gets the $$$ taxes and normal person gets a finger once the banks fail or real estate market fails ...

I suppose the point to debate is ... what was so dramatic about it that it was such a bad thing now all the capatalist countries are moving towards a 50-50% model where state controls more on what ppl do ...

 

[FreekiN]

Look at North Korea.

Yes, it was a bad thing.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Look at North Korea.

Yes, it was a bad thing.

Well that is world sanctions on country you put sanctions on India and you will see India in same state (just as an example).

If a country is under sanction does not matter what system they have they can't do much

Sanctions started WW2 , sanction on Japan back in days ....

Now look at Japan thriving economy ...but undersanctions they were bitter

I mean if we tried 60 years of democracy we only got some support from world , might as well go communist state tag at least local ppl will get some food ....

Unless of course we get a nuclear deal or some much needed support and military aid

 

[Thomas]

China prospers becuase of Capitalism not Communism. It applies Capitalist principles to it's economy. and uses Communism to control the people. The Chinese were smart though when they saw what happened to the Soviet Union they adapted Capitalist principles to stave off disaster.

 

[Thomas]

If communism is bad , then why is it that China who is a communist state has federal reserves of 20 trillion + while most of the Capalist states are going thru massive resessions.

can you link this 20+ trillion reserve figure please. and what kind of reserves are you taking about?

I can find only foreign exchange reserves of 2.4 trillion.

FT.com / Asia-Pacific - China offers vote of confidence in euro

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

can you link this 20+ trillion reserve figure please. and what kind of reserves are you taking about?

I can find only foreign exchange reserves of 2.4 trillion.

FT.com / Asia-Pacific - China offers vote of confidence in euro

Well you are missing the trillions lended to US for its economy by China and also forgeting previous reserves from past China has and strategic assets china has oil, refineries and other source of plues.

I was shocked when I heard China is the single most dominent owner (assiter) of US economy , as it has help purchase bonds for US treseary etc

 

[LegionnairE]

Bro, even if communism is a good thing, USSR ruined it, they had no respect to nationalistic-religionic feelings. They simply run an assymilation policy on Turkic Nations...

And i dont see any difference on China, same expansionism in there too..

 

[somebozo]

Boy oh boy..communism fanboys without knowing bits and peices of history..let me elaborate a little bit.. communism has always been a falure..even before Karl Maxx defined modren communism..Also it doesnt fit well with any religion all religions have defined codes for trade, commerce and market conduct.

Right after the second world war, the world infrastrcutre was devasted and bankrupted and massive oppurtunities of reconstruction and defence rebuilding was present. This help soviet to excel due to their low labour cost as well by donating generous about of aid to allies in form of raw materials (steel, cement, hydrocarbon derivaties etc etc) and millitary goods. Such desperate were soviets that one country just needed to pledege an alliance with them to avail all the riches. However from early70's the world largely recovered from war losses and economy focus shifted from rebuilding and defence to high tech and consumer goods. People began to envision televisions, automobiles, personal goods as such. This is the point when soviet planned economy began to stall due to lack of consumer goods industry. 1970's also marked the split between soviet union biggest ally China termed as sino-soviet split largely due to difference of opinion in economic, trade and industry policies. The Chinese favoured economic integration with the west and market style economy of maufacturing while the soviets wanted to stick with inefficient planned economy and large scale industrial goods.. The stalling economy caused rapid drop in soviet industrial R/D and quality of their industrual goods rapidly dropped. Giving further excuses to many of their trade partners to import from western markets. The soviets tried to veil their own shortcomings of economic system by blaming it on west as ecnomic warfare. Unrest ensued inside soviet unions due to falling living standard and millitary tensions escalated with the west. By 1980's millitary tension were all time high. The soviets also embarked on a rapid expansionist idealogy to gain blue water access as well energy rich middle east to support their rapidly detrioating economy and world position. However, the campaign of Afghanistan broke their millitary-economic backbone, local unrest ensued, living standard detrioated to the point that USSR was condemed to beg edible goods from its worst enemy ie: USA. Eventually, Boris Yeltsin a big time admirer of thiriving western metropolis decided to put an end to people misery and called soviet union dissolved.

A large part of favourable soviet opnion was not earned through achievement but blatant propoganda, deception and manipulation. Also soviet lost their appeals in poor but predominanted muslim countries due to their rigid religious persecutions. Terming them as "godless commmunits" .

 

[roach]

I think that there might be a bit of confusion about Socialism and Communism.

Socialism is an economic and political theory based on public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources, and

Communism is a social structure in which classes are abolished and property is commonly controlled, as well as a political philosophy and social movement that advocates and aims to create such a society.

In my opinion, Communism is a failed attempt at achieving a utopian Socialist world.

The one problem:

An authoritarian government that is not elected, but based on joining the Communist Party and rising in it's ranks through any means possible.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Look at North Korea.

Yes, it was a bad thing.

Look at China

I dont think its that bad ..!!!

 

[LegionnairE]

Look at China

I dont think its that bad ..!!!

HELL YEAH ITS THAT BAD