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War in Northeast Asia: Possible Scenarios (Part 1) | Russia Beyond The Headlines ASIA


As the Asia-Pacific Region is increasingly becoming a centre of world politics and economics, gravitational pull inside the Asia-Pacific region is moving to Northeast Asia, where the interests of great powers – China, Japan, the USA, and Russia – meet and clash.

Issues of war and peace in Northeast Asia are acquiring not only regional but global significance too.

Should a war break out in East Asia, it is likely to be waged mainly at sea.

This is conditioned by the geography of the region, where the main players are separated from each other by large expanses of sea.


A large-scale military action on the ground, say in Europe, the Middle East or on the Korean Peninsula, could result in a huge loss of life and a lot of material damage, forcing politicians to exercise more caution.

Whereas in the ocean, where there is no human life for hundreds of miles, these risks are much lower, which may reduce the threshold for taking the decision to go to war.

In Northeast Asia, the main conflict potential is centred in the East China Sea, with China and Japan as the main antagonists.

The object of their controversy is sovereignty over the Senkaku Islands (or Diaoyu Islands, as they are known in China) and demarcation of exclusive economic zones.

Symptoms of tension

Alarming symptoms, showing a dangerous rise in tensions, are evident.

In 2012, China showed some strong reaction to the Japanese government's decision to nationalise the Senkaku Islands (by buying them from a private owner).

Chinese aircraft and ships enter the Japanese jurisdiction zone in the disputed area increasingly more often.

In Japan too there has been a shift in the public sentiment towards a tougher position in relation to China.



This was demonstrated by the parliamentary election in December 2012. One of the pre-election proposals of Japan's new Prime Minister Shinzo Abe (not yet implemented) is to ensure constant presence of Japanese officials and coastal guards on the Senkaku Islands.

The Japanese government has already announced an increase in military spending in 2013, the first rise in the defence budget in 11 years.

Which is fully in line with Abe's pre-election promises to build up military might in order to counter "the Chinese threat".

Symbolism of conflict

Some analysts believe that a war in the East China Sea, which just a few years ago seemed almost impossible, may now become a reality.

The root of the conflict lies not in the military strategic importance of those small uninhabited islands or in the East China Sea oil and reserves.

The dispute over Senkaku has developed a symbolic meaning, having become a matter of principle between a rising and becoming increasingly nationalist China on the one hand, and Japan, which is trying to maintain its weakening positions, on the other.

Will the USA get involved?

The US administration has more than once stated that in the issue of sovereignty over Senkaku, it does not support either side in the dispute but at the same time it recognizes Tokyo's administrative control over the islands.

Therefore, this territory is covered by the US-Japanese security treaty (1, 2).

At the same time it is worth noting that the Americans have never stated their readiness to intervene and use military force on the side of its Japanese ally.

Washington is well aware of the risks resulting from the antagonism between Japan and China on the one hand, and from America's ally obligations to Japan, on the other.

It if for that reason that the US approach to the dispute over the Senkaku Islands is becoming somewhat similar to the policy of "strategic ambiguity" that America has for a long time been pursuing in relation to the "Taiwan issue".

Some influential American analysts maintain that if Tokyo unleashes a crisis, the USA may refuse to act on Japan's side in a military conflict with China.

And yet, despite the above reservations, the USA would most probably render military assistance to Japan in the event of a crisis in the East China Sea, if Tokyo finds itself unable to cope with it independently. However, this forecast is valid only for the short- and medium-term, while America retains a clear military superiority over China in the west Pacific.

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Other players' positions

What would other Northeast Asian countries do in the event of a military conflict between China and Japan?

South Korea would find itself in a rather difficult situation. On the one hand, the Koreans have issues with the Japanese, which are in many ways similar to China's issues.

On the other hand, Seoul is in a military-political alliance with the USA. Therefore the Republic of Korea would probably choose an official position of neutrality, although many people in that country would want Tokyo to be defeated.

North Korea, albeit an ally to China, is unlikely to get involved in the conflict either. The DPRK's immediate interests are in no way connected to the East China Sea, and Pyongyang does not have sufficient military capability to have a serious effect on the outcome of the conflict.


Taipei, like Beijing, considers the disputed islands to be Chinese territory. However, it is almost impossible to imagine that, for the sake of nominal patriotism, Taiwan would join a war against the main guarantors of its de-facto independence, the USA and Japan.

Military action against mainland China is also out of the question.

Andrey Gubin, PhD in Political Studies, head of research programmes at the Asia-Pacific Centre of the Russian Institute of Strategic Studies, associate professor at the international relations department of Far Eastern Federal University

Artem Lukin, PhD in Political Studies, associate professor at the international relations department, deputy head of the School of Regional and International Studies at Far Eastern Federal University

The article was initially published at the russiancouncil.ru.


Andrey Gubin, PhD in Political Studies, head of research programmes at the Asia-Pacific Centre of the Russian Institute of Strategic Studies, associate professor at the international relations department of Far Eastern Federal University

Artem Lukin, PhD in Political Studies, associate professor at the international relations department, deputy head of the School of Regional and International Studies at Far Eastern Federal University
 
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Part 2

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Japan's Air Force

Should Beijing use its nuclear weapons (despite the declaration never to use them against non-nuclear states), the USA's positive guarantees to Japan will kick in.



War in Northeast Asia: Possible Scenarios (Part 2)

As the Asia-Pacific Region is increasingly becoming a centre of world politics and economics, gravitational pull inside the Asia-Pacific region is moving to Northeast Asia, where the interests of great powers – China, Japan, the USA, and Russia – meet and clash.


Russia would definitely not support China with a strike on US territory: our strategic partnership does not envisage it. We shall therefore leave China's nuclear potential "out of the picture".

Japan has a strong air and naval base on Okinawa, which puts is in an advantageous position since it could focus its main forces and set up a bridgehead on the island, effectively turning it into "an unsinkable aircraft carrier".

Furthermore, Okinawa is reliably protected from air strikes (including cruise missile strikes) by Patriot missile systems, fighters and naval air defence systems.

Japan's tactical aviation does not have mid-air refuelling capability, but due to short fly-in times from Okinawa, it is capable of ensuring practically non-stop patrolling and destruction of sea and air targets.

It would be difficult to consider massive strikes by the Japanese Air Force against ground targets in mainland China since missions like that are possible only with small payloads in order to hit point targets.

The possibility of an assault landing on the Senkaku Islands should be ruled out too: they are too small and it would be extremely hard to ensure a safe landing there.

Japan could, without any detriment to the defence of its main territory, concentrate a third of its Air Force fleet (some 100 aircraft) in the conflict zone.



The bulk of its Air Force consists of modern aircraft capable of hitting sea targets with bombs and guided missiles without entering the impact zone of the majority of Chinese naval air defence systems, as well as of destroying air targets at a considerable distance. Tokyo also has AWACS aircraft and electronic warfare assets, which makes it considerably easier for it to control the situation in the air and at sea and to vector its air groups, and may interfere with the operation of Chinese electronic systems.

China could concentrate most of its weapons and means of support near the cities of Fuzhou, Taizhou, and Ningbo.

China's Air Force

There is no reliable data as regards to what extent Chinese radars control the country's airspace, however in the event of a conflict radar capability would of course be stepped up in hub areas. The same could be said about ground-based air defence systems.

Russia-Japan territorial dispute over the Southern KurilsDrawing by Anton Panin. Click to enlarge the image

Given the country's large size, it would be difficult to arrange a large-scale relocation of military hardware and arms. Also, China would not be able to afford to leave the border with its "northern neighbour", Russia, completely unprotected, or to weaken "the Indian section" of its border either. The technical training and experience of Chinese pilots are also a matter of some concern, so it is unlikely that the fleet of warplanes in action at first will more than 15 per cent (some 20 aircraft).

Once again, there is likely to be a clash between "Soviets" and "Yanks" in the sky, as China will certainly try and test its multipurpose fighters of the Su-27 generation (both Russian and Chinese-made).

In terms of their flight characteristics, these aircraft are superior to the enemy's fighters and are good at hitting sea and air targets.



Although for Chinese aircraft, the distance from their airfields to the Senkaku Islands will be somewhat longer than for Japanese aircraft, technically they still would be able to maintain permanent presence in the disputed area. However, due to its geographic location, it would be easier for Japan to control Chinese aircraft routes over the East China Sea from sea and from air than it would be for China to monitor Japanese aircraft movement to and from Okinawa.

The Air Force of the People's Liberation Army of China has very few AWACS aircraft.

It does not have real experience of vectoring and guiding aircraft, or practical experience of joint action with naval forces.

Therefore in the air, the Chinese will rely most of all on the "effect of scale", and "the battle for Senkaku" for the Chinese Air Force will at first result in considerable losses.

Having said that, China will be able to compensate for those losses by deploying military units from other parts of the country and, in future, by actively manufacturing new hardware (100 new aircraft every year).

Andrey Gubin, PhD in Political Studies, head of research programmes at the Asia-Pacific Centre of the Russian Institute of Strategic Studies, associate professor at the international relations department of Far Eastern Federal University

Artem Lukin, PhD in Political Studies, associate professor at the international relations department, deputy head of the School of Regional and International Studies at Far Eastern Federal University
 
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Actually I really really hope there will be a war between China and USA.

Since, it because of Japan issue, I really really hope the battlefield will be in the mainland Japan.


Actually I know that most of Japanese prefer a peace and friendly life. Unlike the Japanese WW2 princeling politicians. But since people are just a lamb following their politicians, they will follow what their politicians said. If their politicians said, no friendly relationship and hate the Chinese, so does Japanese people will follow.

There's no other option, the war will happen in the future. Everyone is expecting it. Except, if Japan politicians surrender their WW2 Imperial mentality and became a friendly East Asian country in the united East Asian community. And USA will not very happy about it and a lot of Chinese are going to disappointing.
 
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If Japan wants a war ,they better do it quick,they longer they wait,they smaller the chance of winning.and in 10-20 years,their chance will be totally gone.
 
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These are hypothetical scenarios. Look at what happened to Europe after Wars . The devastation that brought to Europe ended its World leadership and center of world changed to America. War in Asia is not good for Asia. I hope Asian countries will take lesson from two world wars . US will only hope it happens . As it will help US preserve its hegemony. We need multiplolar world ! And those Countries that can challenge US can only come from East Asia . Asian countries shouldn't fall prey to machinations of West

Any war between Japan and China will decimate Japan but at the same time it will push China behind by atleast 3 decades . This is what US will hope . Only China can pose serious threat to US number 1 tag .

War in Asia not good for China's aspirations .
 
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There are no winners in modern day wars ....there are only losers ! Hope China and Japan can leave the historic enmity behind .
China has very bright future ...it must not waste away the golden chance !
 
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These are hypothetical scenarios. Look at what happened to Europe after Wars . The devastation that brought to Europe ended its World leadership and center of world changed to America. War in Asia is not good for Asia. I hope Asian countries will take lesson from two world wars . US will only hope it happens . As it will help US preserve its hegemony. We need multiplolar world ! And those Countries that can challenge US can only come from East Asia . Asian countries shouldn't fall prey to machinations of West

Any war between Japan and China will decimate Japan but at the same time it will push China behind by atleast 3 decades . This is what US will hope . Only China can pose serious threat to US number 1 tag .

War in Asia not good for China's aspirations .

We make agreement with the US, that the battlefield will be excluded mainland China and mainland US.

Ordinary Japanese people already forget about the WW2. A bit provocation by their politicians, things will be good...I mean ugly.


There are no winners in modern day wars ....there are only losers ! Hope China and Japan can leave the historic enmity behind .
China has very bright future ...it must not waste away the golden chance !

You told that to Japanese politicians, which is they will not understand.

The problem is not lie in the logic, but deep in emotion.

It's Japanese future anyway...although a lot of Taiwanese will cry about it, their supreme idol beaten.

If US dare to attack mainland China, so does we will attack mainland US. There are reason of the blood thirsty American behavior, love to provoking and committing wars worldwide. It's because they never got it in their mainland, never experienced the casualty of war. If it happen, we will make sure it going to never being forgotten and very traumatic, so the future Americans will think twice before committing war.
 
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War is like wildfire ...not easy to contain ...Do you think once war has erupted it can be limited to only main land Japan ?

China will pay huge price for any such war . It's not worth it . China need to be magnanimous according to its status and should be able to let go baggage of bygones . Ordinary Japanese are not interested in War . I guess it is also true about Chinese people.

The mutual hatred among populace of two countries is making of politicians !!!
 
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Yeh lot of rhetoric emanating from Japanese leaders ... especially election of hardliners ! It only ends up inflaming anti Chinese sentiment among Japanese people . Hope Japanese leaders and people can understand that War with China will destroy theor homes and render them history .

Japan is a great country and it need to accept its past mistakes wholeheartedly and move on ...
 
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