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We can quibble over the number of casualties suffered by the People’s Liberation Army in Galwan, but there is no doubt that China’s nose has been bloodied. The PLA has suffered its first battlefield casualties in decades.
By ET CONTRIBUTORS | Jun 27, 2020, 07.36 AM IST
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One of the consequences of the Chinese army’s moves this summer in eastern Ladakh, where it has attempted a major change in the status quo, is that India will strengthen its partnerships with the democracies of the world, particularly the US. Strategically, China has nudged India closer to the US.

To display its support to India as well as Southeast Asia, Washington has announced a change in its force posture by drawing down troops in Germany and moving them to the Indo-Pacific theatre. This is an important signal that the US will not sit and watch as China attempts to throw its weight around on the Sino-India border as well as in the South China Sea. Even earlier, the US had moved three of its carrier battle groups to this part of the world as a clear indication of its resolve to tackle Chinese aggressiveness in Asia.

While this is an important indicator of support to India by the US, we should also understand that we will have to fight our battle with China alone. Our soldiers have given an excellent account of themselves in the hand-to-hand combat which ensued on the night of June 15 at the Galwan River Valley. The clear message they conveyed to China is that India will not take Chinese aggressiveness and bullying lying down. India, for one, does not accept Chinese hegemony in Asia.

We can quibble over the number of casualties suffered by the People’s Liberation Army in Galwan, but there is no doubt that China’s nose has been bloodied. The PLA has suffered its first battlefield casualties in decades.

Now, it is very important to reiterate and reinforce that message sent by our troops, by undertaking a fundamental reassessment and recalibration of our China policy. It cannot be business as usual. This reassessment should be done with a whole of society approach so that a consensus can be built on it. Not only should the opposition political parties be consulted, but other experts in the military, diplomatic and business fields should also be asked to give their ideas, suggestions and views.

However, it cannot be an interminable process with no finite deadline. The situation demands that it be just a few months long and the new policy be implemented before 2020 is out.

One suggestion that merits very serious attention is to not permit Chinese firms to participate in India’s 5G trials and rollout. This will hurt China in the pocket given the enormous market India represents. Many people argue that such economic pushback will hurt India too. That is true, but there can be no gain without pain.


Indians will have to accept a certain degree of pain. If our soldiers can take the pain on the border, surely ordinary Indians can also take the pain of lower revenues, profits or higher prices in order to send a clear-cut signal to China. Geopolitically, India must strengthen its partnerships with the US, Japan, South Korea, Australia and perhaps Indonesia without laying too much stress on strategic autonomy.

This is the time to admit Australia into our Malabar naval exercises. This is the appropriate time to strengthen the Quad and provide it amilitary angle. Now is the time to enhance our intelligence sharing with all these nations. By changing its force structure and posture, the US is signalling India that she supports us entirely. We do not have to worry about what signal this sends to China. Why? China has sent its own signal by throwing down the gauntlet at India with its moves in eastern Ladakh.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...leshow/76655121.cms?__twitter_impression=true
 
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Dude, you really couldn't find anything else or relevant than some Indian source? You might hate China for your reasons but be reasonable. If a block is formed you think other side would be quiet?

US offered to mediate, which India refused. One can clearly see they chicken out and don't want to escalate.
 
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Dude, you really couldn't find anything else or relevant than some Indian source? You might hate China for your reasons but be reasonable. If a block is formed you think other side would be quiet?
oh china have a block already, with Pakistan and NK am I right????
but anyway even in the worst of time, Indonesia and Pakistan shall never be enemies.
 
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India should firmly go into anti-China block, it was one thing to support Pakistan but this act of aggression against us should be a wake up call for all and sundry in India.

Dude, you really couldn't find anything else or relevant than some Indian source? You might hate China for your reasons but be reasonable. If a block is formed you think other side would be quiet?

US offered to mediate, which India refused. One can clearly see they chicken out and don't want to escalate.

Tell me who exactly supports China?
 
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We can quibble over the number of casualties suffered by the People’s Liberation Army in Galwan, but there is no doubt that China’s nose has been bloodied.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

lol someone is getting desperate to fullfill his daily quota
 
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oh china have a block already, with Pakistan and NK am I right????
but anyway even in the worst of time, Indonesia and Pakistan shall never be enemies.
China is the highest export/import partner of Indonesia, why would they mess their relation with China in the first place? In a war they have no reason to be in, in an outcome they wouldn't have anything to gain from?

Japan, yes they would support India with playstations and toyotas

NK can single handedly deal with SK, they have sunk all their resources in military, they would be glad if they could find a war.

Australia would be helpful in waters, but currently the game is being played on land.

And yes Russia would lose its single moment to get back on US, if US tries to get in. Also all the weapon system of India are mostly Russian based. So GL to them fighting Russian and Chinese with russian based weapons.

Bangladesh has mostly China based weapons and they are not for Pakistan, they have been spending because they think they have are threatened from its neighbors.

If this mess starts to expand rest of the world wouldn't stay silent too. We all know how Iran loves Americans, and turkey and then Europe.



India should firmly go into anti-China block, it was one thing to support Pakistan but this act of aggression against us should be a wake up call for all and sundry in India.



Tell me who exactly supports China?

Tell me who exactly supports you? Not just with words(or in your own propaganda media) but are willing to really commit. Why didn't your modi take the US offer to mediate. Every one is there for their own interests not yours. AND our interests in particular currently align with the Chinese interests. So India should expect a two front war at the very least this time. That's a 100% . And if you are deluded keep on thinking 150+ countries are with you in YOUR wars, GL with that.
 
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China is the highest export/import partner of Indonesia, why would they mess their relation with China in the first place? In a war they have no reason to be in, in an outcome they wouldn't have anything to gain from?
true, but that's it. we have little love for china other than money, I should mind you that while they 're our largest trading partner and our ruler are getting cozy with china, the military is not.

this reminds me of Indonesia in the mid 60's when China and Indonesian relations are on their peak (the so called Jakarta-Peking-Pyongyang) axis, with china is the largest supplier of goods and arms to the country, not to mention the CCP sponsored PKI (Indonesian communist party) are on it's way to win the country. but the Indonesian Army is solidly in the US camps. we know what happens next.......Sukarno toppled, the PKI banned and it's supporters either killed or jailed and Indonesia cut ties with Peking till the 90s.

we are not going to go to war with china, but it's imperative that Indonesia stays in the US camps, not because we wanted to, but because china behavior basically forced us all to be in the same camps.

Japan, yes they would support India with playstations and toyotas
Australia would be helpful in waters, but currently the game is being played on land.

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we are now only getting started but overtime as the chinese threat grow even larger, the commitment in which countries are willing to support each other will also grew. you just can't build thing overnight. it takes time. and the china pandemic and Galwan incident is just the catalyst we need.

NK can single handedly deal with SK, they have sunk all their resources in military, they would be glad if they could find a war.
no they don't lol

Bangladesh has mostly China based weapons and they are not for Pakistan, they have been spending because they think they have are threatened from its neighbors.
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Bangladesh is preoccupied with Burma, not India
 
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no they don't lol

yes they do, sure SK losses will be less compared to NK and sure the war would be won by SK in fair 1v1 scenario but the damage would be massive and to avoid that damage, the status quo has been maintained till now. Anyways, don't think SK, NK would go to that lengths just for India/China.

Bangladesh is preoccupied with Burma, not India

False assessment, sure there are issues between the two(mainly refugee), but the major issue(water) that is going to develop is going to be between India-Bangladesh, there is a reason why we see clashes from time to time on the border between the two. China sells to both Myanmar and Bangladesh, if was about Myanmar, then Bangladeshis would have preferred to buy cheap military equipment from India which they don't.

we are not going to go to war with china, but it's imperative that Indonesia stays in the US camps, not because we wanted to, but because china behavior basically forced us all to be in the same camps.
good then elect some one who follows the will of the majority next time.

Galwan incident is just the catalyst we need.

Nopes, this is currently the issue of 3 countries, at max 4(Nepal). Which started with Indian unilateral action of abrogation of article 370 and the Indians releasing out their new maps. On which the issue was raised in UN by the Pakistani PM, in which US president wanted to mediate but later backed off. Now it is being solved or will be solved trilaterally or quad-laterally with all the nations involved in this issue(Pakistan-China -India-Nepal).
 
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Dude, you really couldn't find anything else or relevant than some Indian source? You might hate China for your reasons but be reasonable. If a block is formed you think other side would be quiet?

US offered to mediate, which India refused. One can clearly see they chicken out and don't want to escalate.
Closet indian....not the first
 
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yes they do, sure SK losses will be less compared to NK and sure the war would be won by SK
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that's why NK will never do anything, they can't handle SK, not with their hungry population.
False assessment, sure there are issues between the two(mainly refugee), but the major issue(water) that is going to develop is going to be between India-Bangladesh, there is a reason why we see clashes from time to time on the border between the two. China sells to both Myanmar and Bangladesh, if was about Myanmar, then Bangladeshis would have preferred to buy cheap military equipment from India which they don't.

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and I believe those weapons are not meant for India, and refugee (as well as fishing ) issues with burma is what's behind Bangladesh recent naval modernization. Again china will only have Pakistan and NK on it's back.

good then elect some one who follows the will of the majority next time.

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good then , most Indonesian has an anti china sentiment btw.
Nopes, this is currently the issue of 3 countries, at max 4(Nepal). Which started with Indian unilateral action of abrogation of article 370 and the Indians releasing out their new maps. On which the issue was raised in UN by the Pakistani PM, in which US president wanted to mediate but later backed off. Now it is being solved or will be solved trilaterally or quad-laterally with all the nations involved in this issue(Pakistan-China -India-Nepal).
it's an issue of 3 countries in the Himalaya's which will have an impact in the balance of power in the Indo-pacific theater overall.
you can't just antagonize India without repercussion,India used to be very careful in it's approach to the QUAD, now not for much longer I must say.which is good in my persepective. India should've kept the chinese buzy on land while the US+OZ harass them at sea.
 
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China is the highest export/import partner of Indonesia, why would they mess their relation with China in the first place? In a war they have no reason to be in, in an outcome they wouldn't have anything to gain from?

Japan, yes they would support India with playstations and toyotas

NK can single handedly deal with SK, they have sunk all their resources in military, they would be glad if they could find a war.

Australia would be helpful in waters, but currently the game is being played on land.

And yes Russia would lose its single moment to get back on US, if US tries to get in. Also all the weapon system of India are mostly Russian based. So GL to them fighting Russian and Chinese with russian based weapons.

Bangladesh has mostly China based weapons and they are not for Pakistan, they have been spending because they think they have are threatened from its neighbors.

If this mess starts to expand rest of the world wouldn't stay silent too. We all know how Iran loves Americans, and turkey and then Europe.





Tell me who exactly supports you? Not just with words(or in your own propaganda media) but are willing to really commit. Why didn't your modi take the US offer to mediate. Every one is there for their own interests not yours. AND our interests in particular currently align with the Chinese interests. So India should expect a two front war at the very least this time. That's a 100% . And if you are deluded keep on thinking 150+ countries are with you in YOUR wars, GL with that.
I wasn't talking of India vs China scenario. You were saying China would react to such a quad. I was wondering who would opt for such a block except for Pak and NK. India doesn't need anybody's support we are a huge nation. We can handle ourselves, thank you.
 
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that's why NK will never do anything, they can't handle SK, not with their hungry population.

And thats why SK won't do anything either, the status quo has been maintained by BOTH countries for their reasons.

good then , most Indonesian has an anti china sentiment btw.
well wasn't shown in the election this time as per your argument and the elections were really recent, 2019 to be exact. So guess, gl with that the next time but currently have to bear what you have, or atleast start a revolution before proclaiming that "Indonesia" is going to join Indias block.

you can't just antagonize India without repercussion,India used to be very careful in it's approach to the QUAD, now not for much longer I must say

well you can, its not a supa powa. And it would be wrong to believe anything on their media. If their media is the only criteria than you already should believe they have occupied 90% of Pakistan.

I wasn't talking of India vs China scenario. He was saying China would react to quad. I was wondering who would opt for such a block except for Pak and NK.

Ohh, so we only talking about lip-service, don't we already have plenty of useless groups like BRICS, SAARC etc. These don't work with unreliable partners like India. US is having issues with even NATO countries and you think they are going to have a long term defense based group like QUAD running anytime soon. And yes to you russia will chill on the side, with all this.

India doesn't need anybody's support we are a huge nation. We can handle ourselves, thank you.

Well your media doesn't show that. there is reason why there is 24/7 randi rona on your media. Example:


Like how delusional one can be:

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And thats why SK won't do anything either, the status quo has been maintained by BOTH countries for their reasons.


well wasn't shown in the election this time as per your argument and the elections were really recent, 2019 to be exact. So guess, gl with that the next time but currently have to bear what you have, or atleast start a revolution before proclaiming that "Indonesia" is going to join Indias block.



well you can, its not a supa powa. And it would be wrong to believe anything on their media. If their media is the only criteria than you already should believe they have occupied 90% of Pakistan.



Ohh, so we only talking about lip-service, don't we already have plenty of useless groups like BRICS, SAARC etc. These don't work with unreliable partners like India. US is having issues with even NATO countries and you think they are going to have a long term defense based group like QUAD running anytime soon. And yes to you russia will chill on the side, with all this.



Well your media doesn't show that. there is reason why there is 24/7 randi rona on your media.

Yes. We are worried about war with China. But did any from GOI ask for outside help? We have enough men to fight our wars, we need diplomatic support and I am pretty sure India gets much better support than even China let alone Pakistan.
 
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India should firmly go into anti-China block, it was one thing to support Pakistan but this act of aggression against us should be a wake up call for all and sundry in India.



Tell me who exactly supports China?
Most of South Asia, Africa, and Middle East has no qualms with China. Add Russia to that list.
Secondly and more importantly, emerging powers challenging the status-quo or the existing world order will always finds such odds stacked against them.

For this reason, this is not a popularity contest.
 
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