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(Thanh Nien News) After Chinese businesses asked Vietnam to loosen its restrictions on CNY transactions in Vietnam, economists began to warn that the plan, if approved, could place the national economy in jeopardy.
Under Vietnam’s current laws, CNY is only permitted for use in cross-border trade.
The proposal was made by the China Business Association in Vietnam and the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, which claimed that the demand for conducting transactions in Chinese currency is quite high and obviously increasing. re
They estimated the value of cross-border CNY payments at around US$15 billion by the end of 2013.
If CNY were expanded into all areas of bilateral trade, the State Bank of Vietnam, could better manage its renminbi reserves, collect taxes and prevent money laundering.
Replacing US dollars with CNY as the currency will have no effect on the trade surplus or deficits, the Chinese businesses said.
They also asked the Vietnamese government to allow the Chinese bank to perform CNY-related services in collaboration with local banks that have already been licensed to conduct CNY-VND exchanges.
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Economist Nguyen Minh Phong of the Hanoi Institute for Socio-Economic Development Studies, told Thanh Nien the proposal was “understandable,” given China’s desire to internationalize the CNY--as evidenced in its currency swaps with countries like Australia, Brazil, and Russia.
He found the proposal “unacceptable,” however, because allowing further renminbi transactions in Vietnam would deal a further blow to the economy.
Firstly, according to Phong, since CNY is not yet freely convertible on the international market, expanding its use would require Vietnamese businesses to take on risk.
Second, given that Vietnam’s trade deficit with China is already “very big,” local businesses will end up having to borrow money from China to pay transactions in CNY, the economist said.
“We will wind up depending on China, not just in terms of the goods we use, but the currency as well,” he said.
Figures from the Ministry of Industry and Trade showed that as of November of 2013, China remained the biggest importer of Vietnamese products. During an economic conference held in Hanoi last month, it was reported that the country’s trade deficit with its neighbor increased nearly 200 fold in the past decade.
Former state bank governor Cao Sy Kiem cautioned that given Vietnam's enormous trade deficit with China, further loosening restrictions on CNY transactions would allow even more Chinese goods into a market that's already flooded.
The proposal, therefore, must be considered “carefully,” he said.
Responding to Chinese businesses’ claim that the switch from US dollars to CNY as the payment currency would not affect trade deficits or surplus, Economist Phan Minh Ngoc said the move is mainly designed to benefit Chinese businesses
Chinese businesses that use renminbi wouldn't be subject to the risks implied in fluctuations in foreign exchange rates, especially the rate of VND/CNY, as well as charges related to currency exchange, he explained.
Moreover, if Vietnam pursued a big reserve of CNY in lieu of strong currencies like the US dollar, the country will find itself vulnerable when times get tough, Ngoc noted.
Nguyen Duc Thanh, chief of the Vietnam Institute for Economic and Policy Research, said that transactions inside a country's borders should be conducted in that country's currency alone.
Although Vietnam currently accepts international payment in major currencies like US dollars and maintains an international currency reserve, in the past two to three years, the state bank has taken steps to remove US dollars from domestic transactions and scale down the issuance of US dollar loans, he said.
“This proposal from the Chinese business association, therefore, is unacceptable,” Thanh said.
Many businesses echoed that sentiment.
Nguyen Lam Vien, director general of Vinamit JSC, a dried-fruit and vegetable producer which has about 80 percent sales going in China, said most of transactions between Vietnamese companies and Chinese partners are carried out in US dollars.
Local businesses would find themselves at a significant disadvantage by having to pay 0.5 percent in fees to convert US dollars to CNY, Vien said, stressing that the surcharge would be “very huge” considering Vietnam’s trade deficit with China reached nearly $29 billion, last year.
 
Firstly, according to Phong, since CNY is not yet freely convertible on the international market, expanding its use would require Vietnamese businesses to take on risk.
the CNY is one of the most stable currencies in the world and IMO one of the best currencies to trade in. And if there was free trade it would increase number of Chinese businessmen willing to trade with Vietnam.
And increased amount of trade and in flow of money is what the country needs right now. When the money flowing in improves the infrastructure other countries will also want to invest reducing dependency on the Chinese market.
 
the CNY is one of the most stable currencies in the world and IMO one of the best currencies to trade in. And if there was free trade it would increase number of Chinese businessmen willing to trade with Vietnam.
And increased amount of trade and in flow of money is what the country needs right now. When the money flowing in improves the infrastructure other countries will also want to invest reducing dependency on the Chinese market.
You are correct. The CNY is one of the most stable currency, thanks to our $4 trillion dollar reserve and the fact that it is an upcoming currency. Think of a sexy IPO stock that just release on the market. Everyone would love to buy it but there is limit access to it.
 
I see litle reasons why we don´t allow direct Vnd-Yuan trading. we should go ahead and allow on trial basis.
 
the CNY is one of the most stable currencies in the world and IMO one of the best currencies to trade in. And if there was free trade it would increase number of Chinese businessmen willing to trade with Vietnam.
And increased amount of trade and in flow of money is what the country needs right now. When the money flowing in improves the infrastructure other countries will also want to invest reducing dependency on the Chinese market.
U r wrong, CNY is as unstable as Ruble. When the TPP deal come to reality, then many country including VN will stop buying China's products, then China economy will go down as fast as Russia economy now.

So, we simply say no to CNY.

I see litle reasons why we don´t allow direct Vnd-Yuan trading. we should go ahead and allow on trial basis.
Bcz its just a waste, and it will drop sharply when the TPP come to reality.
 
U r wrong, CNY is as unstable as Ruble. When the TPP deal come to reality, then many country including VN will stop buying China's products, then China economy will go down as fast as Russia economy now.

So, we simply say no to CNY.


Bcz its just a waste, and it will drop sharply when the TPP come to reality.
OMG....comparing CNY with Ruble....
you are such a piece of work...
 
U r wrong, CNY is as unstable as Ruble. When the TPP deal come to reality, then many country including VN will stop buying China's products, then China economy will go down as fast as Russia economy now.
the Russian economy is dependent on oil
the CNY is dependent on the world economy it is actually very safe to say that if the CNY is in danger the world economy is already falling. You forget what made the Chinese economy what it is today is not selling resources but finished products. That seems very biased and to move forward both China and Vietnam need to learn to set aside the past and work together. Only then will the area reach its peak
 
You are correct. The CNY is one of the most stable currency, thanks to our $4 trillion dollar reserve and the fact that it is an upcoming currency. Think of a sexy IPO stock that just release on the market. Everyone would love to buy it but there is limit access to it.

why chine's state reserve is not in CNY ?
 
the Russian economy is dependent on oil
the CNY is dependent on the world economy it is actually very safe to say that if the CNY is in danger the world economy is already falling. You forget what made the Chinese economy what it is today is not selling resources but finished products. That seems very biased and to move forward both China and Vietnam need to learn to set aside the past and work together. Only then will the area reach its peak
SO who gonna buy China's products when TPP deal come to reality, bro ??

OMG....comparing CNY with Ruble....
you are such a piece of work...
Yep, VN consider CNY is just like Ruble, so, we say no to CNY coz it soon will drop sharply when TPP come to reality :pop:
 
SO who gonna buy China's products when TPP deal come to reality, bro ??
do not trust America as much as China... the world has seen who is the better ally time and again... the TPP deal will never come to pass as long as China USA have strong relations... there is too much American money invested in China
 
do not trust America as much as China... the world has seen who is the better ally time and again... the TPP deal will never come to pass as long as China USA have strong relations... there is too much American money invested in China
U and Chinese hope the TPP deal never happen, but it will happen when US successfully beat Mr.Putin , then CNY will go bust.

Thats why we say no to CNY, u can keep CNY as much as u want and dont cry when it suddenly lose half of its value like Ruble :)
 
why chine's state reserve is not in CNY ?
sir you do not know much about economics
no country makes reserves in its own currency they use different currencies and commodities like Gold
most countries have US dollars and some use Euros and Gold also. There is no point in reserves in your own currency that is like printing money and no one using it

Thats why we say no to CNY, u can keep CNY as much as u want and dont cry when it suddenly lose half of its value like Ruble :)
ok listen let me try to explain it this way
  1. who is Chinese biggest trading partner
  2. what goods is China sending to the world
  3. how dependent are other countries on China
  4. who can provide the finished goods China can at lower prices
  5. How much has America to lose if CNY goes bust
 
sir you do not know much about economics
no country makes reserves in its own currency they use different currencies and commodities like Gold
most countries have US dollars and some use Euros and Gold also. There is no point in reserves in your own currency that is like printing money and no one using it


ok listen let me try to explain it this way
  1. who is Chinese biggest trading partner
  2. what goods is China sending to the world
  3. how dependent are other countries on China
  4. who can provide the finished goods China can at lower prices
  5. How much has America to lose if CNY goes bust
1. US will earn much more benefit from collapse China , they can let KMT in TW to rule China again, and China-US will still be partner as usual, the only things will change is that China will be a lapdog for US like TW
2.-3-4-5 : No need to answer when US let KTM in TW to rule China again.

Thats why TPP deal will happen, and CNY will lose half of its price , Mr. Xi step down and surrender to US:)
 
to be summarize this:
- China suggest to make transaction in CNY inside Vietnam territory.
- This is unreasonable suggestion because Vietnam doesn't accept even US dollars to do that.
All transaction inside Vietnam must be done in VND.
Btw, I would bring some US dollars to travel aboard to make sure the exchange rate is better.
I can't make sure if I keep CNY, could I get the exchange done or not when travel to another country. The US dollar could.
 
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