US wants to impose 300KM Restriction on Iranian BMs!

[OldTwilight]

We will show them a Golden Bilakh.

IR will accept it because IR is more important to them than anything ( ideology , country , people )

 

[My-Analogous]

Iran should ignore the orange clown and make more missiles with
2000km range.

It is time for Iranian ICBM to be tested.

That's the problem isn't it, they see honesty and concessions as weakness.

Iran should have just gone nuclear the second they were threatened by the US, just like China went nuclear when the US threatened to nuke us during the Korean War.

Funny how the US is so desperate to punish Iran for seeking a nuclear energy program, while the US itself received zero punishment for using nuclear weapons on civilian populations (twice) after they had already won the war. I guess America thinks that nuclear weapons are only acceptable after a country has already used them on civilian population centres.

Iran is somewhere there where Pakistan was in 80's and 90's. Iran must play her card well like Pakistan did. After nuclear test these things will be gone same as Pakistan and north Korea did

 

[Hack-Hook]

It is time for Iranian ICBM to be tested.



Iran is somewhere there where Pakistan was in 80's and 90's. Iran must play her card well like Pakistan did. After nuclear test these things will be gone same as Pakistan and north Korea did

well right now they are busy with this IRBM

 

[VEVAK]

That's the problem isn't it, they see honesty and concessions as weakness.

Iran should have just gone nuclear the second they were threatened by the US, just like China went nuclear when the US threatened to nuke us during the Korean War.

Funny how the US is so desperate to punish Iran for seeking a nuclear energy program, while the US itself received zero punishment for using nuclear weapons on civilian populations (twice) after they had already won the war. I guess America thinks that nuclear weapons are only acceptable after a country has already used them on civilian population centres.

If trump keeps at it Iran may not have a choice but to go nuclear but lets say we do just look at North Korea for second what changed for North Korea after they went Nuclear? What do think changed for them after they went Nuclear & Developed ICBM's capable of reaching U.S. Soil?

U.S. pressure continued to increase till finally despite public insults by the U.S. president the North Korean's agreed to a one on one sit down at the highest levels & have so far agreed to stop testing both Nukes and ICBM's and they have agreed to that despite U.S. clearly showing it's self to be totally untrustworthy in the JCPOA!


Fact is if China & Russia don't come together and put their foot down and say enough is enough there would be absolutely no reason for the U.S. to stop it's expansionist policy & it's quite evident that U.S. attempt at total world domination is not going to end with N.Korea and Iran.

IR will accept it because IR is more important to them than anything ( ideology , country , people )

Keep dreaming!!!!!!!!! Both Saddam and Qaddafi handed over their BM and look what happened!!!!!!! So no that card has been played and the eventual results of what will happen after they gave them up is quite clear!

And US already showed itself to be untrustworthy in the JCPOA for any Iranian politicians to have any illusions that they can trust any security guarantees coming form the U.S.!

 

[Jungibaaz]

Because Pakistan is a banana country with no threat to the West. The country is already poor by many economic standards and doesn’t threaten US/NATO interests.

Just because you have nuclear weapons doesn’t make you some great military power. Just look at North Korea it Has nukes, yet it’s citizens eat leaves and grass to survive and it’s military uses equipment from the 50’s and 60’s.

You know Pakistan is a banana country when the world’s superpower is flying drones in your airspace and killing your citizens at will. Pakistan is being used by two major world powers (US and china).

Pakistan is not a threat to the West or Israel and will never be. If one day Pakistan so much dreams of being a threat they will be put in their place rather quickly. Pakistan is a country that is dominated by many terrorist groups, a fractured and corrupt military. It is basically a worse version of Syria prior to 2010. The West could start a civil war fairly quickly in that country and Pakistan knows this.

Pakistan doesn’t threaten control the most important water ways in the Middle East, Pakistan doesn’t control the largest non-state armies of the world, Pakistan doesn’t have top 3 largest oil reserves and 1st largest gas reserves in the Middle East.

Pakistan has not demonstrated competency to be able to engage the West military and never will. Plus Pakistan is basically Saudis Arabia's mercenary army and Saudi Arabia is the biggest banana country In the Middle East. They put the Shah of 1970’s to shame at how well they serve the West.

Compare that to Iran that has conducted proxy wars against the US(Iraq war) and Israel (2006 war) among many other things.

It’s so weird that Pakistan users come into these threads bumping their chest at how great Pakistan is and how no one dares attack. Pakistan has no geopolitical significance on the world stage. The 3 countries the west cares about is Russia, China, and iran. Even North Korea is a geopolitical ploy so the US can overthrow North Korea and have military bases on China’s border.

The West really does NOT care about North Korea, just like it didn’t care about Iraq or Libya. They are ploys to reach the 3 remaining threats to US/NATO domination of world order.

You don’t hear the term “Pakistan’s expanding power and influence across the Middle East”; now why is that? Because it doesn’t have power beyond its borders. It’s whole existence is built on a Pakistan vs India rivalry. Similar to North Korea vs South Korea.

So you have your answer.

We don't overestimate our power, importance or 'aukat' as we call it in the subcontinent. At least not the serious among us. But you should understand, this is a Pakistani forum and users, especially the kind PDF attracts will comment on matters even where Pakistan is not of much importance.

Our nukes are only for India, the US was never an enemy, and Israel is as puny and insignificant to Pakistan, as Pakistan is to Israel. But our nukes are an insurance policy on our state too, we won't be reduced to the level of Syria, nor ruined like Iraq. The invasion of the latter which I may add, Israel's warlord-in-chief Bibi Netanyahu supported.

As for being insignificant as a nation, Israel itself is a puny nation of no importance or significance. It's Israel's fortune that they've successfully leeched onto a superpower, the parasitic metaphor here is pertinent because Israel offers the US very little in my estimation, for all the trouble the US goes through. Beating up on your puny neighbours and not fully appreciating the support of a superpower might inflate your ego.

You're right to remind us of our place, but please also realise that Israel's current behaviour as a rogue state led by a bunch of schizophrenic warmongers wouldn't be possible without the US.

 

[haman10]

IR will accept it because IR is more important to them than anything ( ideology , country , people )

This is whats wrong with our country. some zealots and extremist religious nutjobs who have the audacity to undermine our national security and interests for the sake of their supposed "ideology"

YOU people started this animosity with the west but WE will be the ones who take the charge now. go stick to your chants and let the adults handle the problem.

Our country will not yield to a kid who has 1/100th the age that she has. we will FVCK our enemies like we've done before.

Go pee pee now little kid.

We don't overestimate our power, importance or 'aukat' as we call it in the subcontinent. At least not the serious among us. But you should understand, this is a Pakistani forum and users, especially the kind PDF attracts will comment on matters even where Pakistan is not of much importance.

Our nukes are only for India, the US was never an enemy, and Israel is as puny and insignificant to Pakistan, as Pakistan is to Israel. But our nukes are an insurance policy on our state too, we won't be reduced to the level of Syria, nor ruined like Iraq. The invasion of the latter which I may add, Israel's warlord-in-chief Bibi Netanyahu supported.

As for being insignificant as a nation, Israel itself is a puny nation of no importance or significance. It's Israel's fortune that they've successfully leeched onto a superpower, the parasitic metaphor here is pertinent because Israel offers the US very little in my estimation, for all the trouble the US goes through. All while it continues beating up on other puny kids in their neighbourhood, while the US keeps all the rest in line.

You're right to remind us of our place, but please also realise that Israel's current behaviour as a rogue state led by a bunch of schizophrenic warmongers wouldn't be possible without the US.

so many kids in this forum brother, you can ignore them like i do.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Fact is if China & Russia don't come together and put their foot down and say enough is enough there would be absolutely no reason for the U.S. to stop it's expansionist policy & it's quite evident that U.S. attempt at total world domination is not going to end with N.Korea and Iran.

That's the thing, China/Russia/Iran do not form a military bloc, and they don't see it in their interests to do so.

Imagine for a second that China decided to declare war on the USA in the South China Sea. Or the USA attacked North Korea and forced China to enter the war. A war that could turn nuclear and devastate both nations from the top to the bottom.

Would Russia and Iran be eager to join such a war? No, because it would be needless suicide, it would be better for their own interests that the USA and China wiped each other off the face of the earth, without harming Russian or Iranian soil.

Whereas NATO, even though they don't like each other, have a binding treaty that forces them to act as a single military bloc.

Or what if China went to war with India? Japan? Or Vietnam?

What if Iran went to war with Israel, or the Gulf Arabs?

As you can see, the idea of a China/Russia/Iran bloc is more tricky than it seems. The only real overlapping enemy we have is the USA.

 

[hussain0216]

Because Pakistan is a banana country with no threat to the West. The country is already poor by many economic standards and doesn’t threaten US/NATO interests.

Just because you have nuclear weapons doesn’t make you some great military power. Just look at North Korea it Has nukes, yet it’s citizens eat leaves and grass to survive and it’s military uses equipment from the 50’s and 60’s.

You know Pakistan is a banana country when the world’s superpower is flying drones in your airspace and killing your citizens at will. Pakistan is being used by two major world powers (US and china).

Pakistan is not a threat to the West or Israel and will never be. If one day Pakistan so much dreams of being a threat they will be put in their place rather quickly. Pakistan is a country that is dominated by many terrorist groups, a fractured and corrupt military. It is basically a worse version of Syria prior to 2010. The West could start a civil war fairly quickly in that country and Pakistan knows this.

Pakistan doesn’t threaten control the most important water ways in the Middle East, Pakistan doesn’t control the largest non-state armies of the world, Pakistan doesn’t have top 3 largest oil reserves and 1st largest gas reserves in the Middle East.

Pakistan has not demonstrated competency to be able to engage the West military and never will. Plus Pakistan is basically Saudis Arabia's mercenary army and Saudi Arabia is the biggest banana country In the Middle East. They put the Shah of 1970’s to shame at how well they serve the West.

Compare that to Iran that has conducted proxy wars against the US(Iraq war) and Israel (2006 war) among many other things.

It’s so weird that Pakistan users come into these threads bumping their chest at how great Pakistan is and how no one dares attack. Pakistan has no geopolitical significance on the world stage. The 3 countries the west cares about is Russia, China, and iran. Even North Korea is a geopolitical ploy so the US can overthrow North Korea and have military bases on China’s border.

The West really does NOT care about North Korea, just like it didn’t care about Iraq or Libya. They are ploys to reach the 3 remaining threats to US/NATO domination of world order.

You don’t hear the term “Pakistan’s expanding power and influence across the Middle East”; now why is that? Because it doesn’t have power beyond its borders. It’s whole existence is built on a Pakistan vs India rivalry. Similar to North Korea vs South Korea.

So you have your answer.

Yet we have 150+ nuclear warheads with the delivery system's to utilise them and you

 

[Dinky]

This is whats wrong with our country. some zealots and extremist religious nutjobs who have the audacity to undermine our national security and interests for the sake of their supposed "ideology" .

The faster you throwaway these 'Ummah' ideologues like other countries have, the better it would be for Iran.

Would Russia and Iran be eager to join such a war? No, because it would be needless suicide, it would be better for their own interests that the USA and China wiped each other off the face of the earth, without harming Russian or Iranian soil.

If the US has the guts to go to war against mighty China, then Iran and Russia may as well join and support China because if China loses, then Iran and Russia is next.

 

[NADIM.NAZI]

মামার বারির আবদার

 

[VEVAK]

That's the thing, China/Russia/Iran do not form a military bloc, and they don't see it in their interests to do so.

Imagine for a second that China decided to declare war on the USA in the South China Sea. Or the USA attacked North Korea and forced China to enter the war. A war that could turn nuclear and devastate both nations from the top to the bottom.

Would Russia and Iran be eager to join such a war? No, because it would be needless suicide, it would be better for their own interests that the USA and China wiped each other off the face of the earth, without harming Russian or Iranian soil.

Whereas NATO, even though they don't like each other, have a binding treaty that forces them to act as a single military bloc.

Or what if China went to war with India? Japan? Or Vietnam?

What if Iran went to war with Israel, or the Gulf Arabs?

As you can see, the idea of a China/Russia/Iran bloc is more tricky than it seems. The only real overlapping enemy we have is the USA.

There is another side to that coin because it would also be suicide for Iran and Russia to sit back and watch the U.S. take out China!
And the effects may not be as fast and as direct as a bomb dropping on an Iranian or Russian Military base but it's long term effects would be far more damaging.
And the U.S. taking control of almost every fuel source that supplies China and placing military assets in every country within 1000km surrounding China would mean what for China exactly? You can build all the Fighter jet and Tanks that you want but without a steady supply of fuel they would be nothing more than junk metal!

And the main point of such a military block would be deterrence and a counter balance against U.S. and NATO rather than a military alliance that gets involved in every members regional issue.

Yes in a conflict between Iran & the Saudi's the alliance would not go into effect with direct military action unless the U.S. or NATO gets involved and in a conflict between China and Japan again Iran, Russia and or other members of the alliance would NOT get involved unless the U.S. or NATO get directly involved.
And if U.S. & or NATO's involvement is in the form of arms, fuel, intel and or supplies and then the "would be alliance" would have the infrastructure, ability and opportunity to respond in kind and this creates a counterbalance to deter U.S. and NATO from getting involved in every countries regional issue.

Today they are demonizing China for moving military assets to a Chinese built and owned island in the South "China" Sea and they go and move their warships up and down Chinese coast under the pretext of "Freedom of Navigation" while continuing to expand their military bases globally and they have invaded another Russian allied country in Syria without actually declaring war. That's how emboldened they are and without a global alliance that would take action to counter them they will continue to do so!

 

[TheImmortal]

There is another side to that coin because it would also be suicide for Iran and Russia to sit back and watch the U.S. take out China!
And the effects may not be as fast and as direct as a bomb dropping on an Iranian or Russian Military base but it's long term effects would be far more damaging.
And the U.S. taking control of almost every fuel source that supplies China and placing military assets in every country within 1000km surrounding China would mean what for China exactly? You can build all the Fighter jet and Tanks that you want but without a steady supply of fuel they would be nothing more than junk metal!

And the main point of such a military block would be deterrence and a counter balance against U.S. and NATO rather than a military alliance that gets involved in every members regional issue.

Yes in a conflict between Iran & the Saudi's the alliance would not go into effect with direct military action unless the U.S. or NATO gets involved and in a conflict between China and Japan again Iran, Russia and or other members of the alliance would NOT get involved unless the U.S. or NATO get directly involved.
And if U.S. & or NATO's involvement is in the form of arms, fuel, intel and or supplies and then the "would be alliance" would have the infrastructure, ability and opportunity to respond in kind and this creates a counterbalance to deter U.S. and NATO from getting involved in every countries regional issue.

Today they are demonizing China for moving military assets to a Chinese built and owned island in the South "China" Sea and they go and move their warships up and down Chinese coast under the pretext of "Freedom of Navigation" while continuing to expand their military bases globally and they have invaded another Russian allied country in Syria without actually declaring war. That's how emboldened they are and without a global alliance that would take action to counter them they will continue to do so!

Life is not fair.

In this case the remaining geopolitical powers that can stand against the US Empire (Russia, China, Iran) are too scared and useless to do a thing. Thus they will get picked off one by one.

Iran is the weakest of the three, followed by Russia, and lastly China.

Russia has a lot of dissent in the country along with Iran. It’s being held together by one man (Putin) and Iran as well (Supreme leader).

The succession plans for both countries is chaotic and who knows what will happen.

China is the most strongly positioned of the 3 as it is a one party system government and has enough economic and military power to project power across the world.

Thus a unipolar world in the distant future is certainly a possibility because if US can knock off Iran as well as russia and somehow weaken China....then there is no one to stand in its way for hundreds of years.

The only threat to the US Empire will be itself and not crumbling from within.

Unlike the dawn of time and the time of previous empires (Roman, Greek, Persian, British, etc). The technological threshold to become a great military power is so high in modern times compared to ancient times that the chances of another China being born to challenge the current Empire is slim.

The West knows this, so if it can remove the remaining threats to a unipolar world then it can reign for many years to come.

 

[Blue In Green]

Life is not fair.

In this case the remaining geopolitical powers that can stand against the US Empire (Russia, China, Iran) are too scared and useless to do a thing. Thus they will get picked off one by one.

Iran is the weakest of the three, followed by Russia, and lastly China.

Russia has a lot of dissent in the country along with Iran. It’s being held together by one man (Putin) and Iran as well (Supreme leader).

The succession plans for both countries is chaotic and who knows what will happen.

China is the most strongly positioned of the 3 as it is a one party system government and has enough economic and military power to project power across the world.

Thus a unipolar world in the distant future is certainly a possibility because if US can knock off Iran as well as russia and somehow weaken China....then there is no one to stand in its way for hundreds of years.

The only threat to the US Empire will be itself and not crumbling from within.

Unlike the dawn of time and the time of previous empires (Roman, Greek, Persian, British, etc). The technological threshold to become a great military power is so high in modern times compared to ancient times that the chances of another China being born to challenge the current Empire is slim.

The West knows this, so if it can remove the remaining threats to a unipolar world then it can reign for many years to come.

Truly a story of haves and have nots. The world over since the dawn of man...