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US to deploy 16 F-35 stealth fighters at west Japan base next year

but china did go to war against us-led forces for north korea?
The world was more polarized back then....China was basically a proxy for the Soviet juggernaut jointly fighting for another communist state North Korea....It was literally communism vs the free world...Today China is independent with a capitalist economy....Going to direct conflict with the US will bring about the economic downfall of China....you only risk your entire economy for yourself only....not your allies(Pakistan and Iran are not even allies in a die-hard sense...they are trusted customers at best).

Jackshit coming from jackass like you, I'm not surprised. Why don't you just post on your master's defence forum? On those indian forums they regularly pass jackshit as gold.
Congratulations on your well thought out response to my valid point...get yourself a cookie on my behalf.
 
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The world was more polarized back then....China was basically a proxy for the Soviet juggernaut jointly fighting for another communist state North Korea....It was literally communism vs the free world...Today China is independent with a capitalist economy....Going to direct conflict with the US will bring about the economic downfall of China....you only risk your entire economy for yourself only....not your allies(Pakistan and Iran are not even allies in a die-hard sense...they are trusted customers at best).


Congratulations on your well thought out response to my valid point...get yourself a cookie on my behalf.

Valid point isn't in the blood of stooges! At best you can form some words which is actually like a script from Delhi.
 
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but china did go to war against us-led forces for north korea?
No. China entered the Korean war to protect it's North East border.

Everyone said this or that about Microsoft Windows. And actually Microsoft Windows always has troubles with this or that and always requires updated security packages.
But they can't deny the fact that "Microsoft Windows" is always the most popular worldwide.

MS Windows and F-35 are targeting because their popularity. Very few people want to pay attention to Ubuntu and "some other stealth fighters"
Wonderful. For about $100 despite its flaws windows meets my needs for years.

For $400 billion. China rather build a metro for every single one of it's city and still have enough leftover to build more warships to make it the largest navy in the world.
 
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400 billion just enough for China to make the some proper engines for J-20. Wait. I think it's still not enough.
As I provided you 379 billion enough for RDTE and procurement of 2457 F-35 A/B/C ( including 14 prototypes )
Ha ha ha. The biggest winner in this F35 fiasco is the defence industrial complex. Great strategy of having the F35 made in every State of US. Gives a real meaning of the phrase "All politics are local".

F35 is already too big to stop. US is stuck with it. He he he. So F35 advocates like you are just consoling your selves.

He he he. A timely article....
How A Looming Fiscal Crisis Could Doom America's Military Edge

Loren B. Thompson
August 26, 2016

The problem with defense professionals is that defense is all they think about. Other than spending time with the family and catching a football game on the weekend, they're all about war. So things that impinge on their profession from outside the military realm often come as a colossal surprise.

The Budget Control Act is a case in point. Anybody who follows U.S. politics realizes that defense is a sideshow in the struggle for power. The big divide is between those who favor taxes and entitlements, and those who oppose them. But if you aren't tuned into that debate, then you probably won't be prepared for what developments such as the Budget Control Act mean for your plans.

That one law has done more to erode U.S. military readiness and modernization than all of America's enemies combined in the current decade. The reason why is that it capped military outlays (and other discretionary spending) for ten years at a time when rising funding was required to sustain training and technology investments. The lesson is that if you are a military planner, you need to pay attention to politics here -- not just in Russia and China.

With that in mind, it would be worthwhile for Pentagon planners to take a close look at the ten-year projections of federal revenues and outlays that the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released this month. They present a bleak fiscal outlook for the next decade, with annual deficits returning to a trillion dollars or more annually. Trillion-dollar deficits are what gave us the Budget Control Act in the first place, so planners should consider what their return might mean in terms of new spending constraints.

At the moment, there's little evidence military planners are giving long-term fiscal trends much thought. The Air Force and Navy both have ambitious investment agendas in place that require peak funding in the same timeframe that federal finances are projected to go haywire. The Army has said it is deferring major modernization initiatives until after 2020 -- when its planners assumed money would be more available due to expiration of the Budget Control Act.

Chances are, it won't be more available for three reasons. First, the economy is projected to grow at the subpar pace of only 2% annually between 2017 and 2026, meaning tax receipts won't increase much. Second, spending on entitlements for an aging population will balloon. Third, the cost of financing the national debt will rise, partly because the debt grows from $20 trillion in 2017 to $28 trillion in 2026, and partly because interest rates increase.
End result: bigger and bigger annual deficits. Specifically, the amount the government must borrow to close the gap between tax receipts and spending rises from $438 billion last year (2.5% of GDP) to $1,243 billion in 2026 (4.6% of GDP). The upward trend in spending is driven almost entirely by rising outlays for Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and interest on the burgeoning debt. Collectively, those three items account for 82% of the increase in outlays over the period 2017-2026 -- an increase that will raise government spending from $4 trillion in 2017 to over $6 trillion only ten years later.

This doesn't sound like the kind of fiscal setting in which pent-up demand for new military technology can finally be met. Quite the opposite: recent experience suggests that when money is tight, entitlements trump defense, and within defense consumption trumps investment. That's why the Obama Administration has generated two-thirds of the military savings mandated by the Budget Control Act by cutting modernization. It has been more generous with readiness, and has barely touched military pay and benefits at all.

Not that Congress would have been receptive to cutting pay and benefits. Like the decaying bridges and roads that never seem to get addressed by the domestic discretionary part of the federal budget, investment in military technology only gets funded after all the people costs have been covered. Politicians understand that they're more likely to get re-elected by bolstering pay and benefits than by buying more warships. So that's what they do, no matter how unbalanced the resulting defense posture looks.

This situation could be far worse midway through the next decade, when the military's current modernization plans are supposed to reach peak spending levels even though CBO says budgets will be way out of balance. It is worth noting that the budget office compiles its projections on the assumption that current laws won't change. However, if some bright change agent like Donald Trump has his way, tax rates could be slashed in a fashion that greatly exacerbates revenue shortfalls.

Of course, it's always possible a big new threat will come along to rescue America's military from the budgetary consequences of current fiscal trends. However, that isn't what you'd call a sound planning assumption. A better approach would be to recognize the fiscal crisis looming in the next decade, and act now to bolster investment before the budget walls close in.

In the case of the Army, that means more generous funding of upgrades to existing combat systems so that they have greater survivability, lethality and connectivity if war with high-end adversaries like Russia occurs. In the case of the Air Force, it means getting the ramp rate up on the F-35 fighter right away, rather than waiting for the mythical "out-years" to provide additional money. In the case of the Navy, it means locking in a funding mechanism for the next generation of ballistic missile submarines so there are no delays in that crucial modernization effort.
More generally, military planners need to start paying attention to the warnings embedded in fiscal projections from places like the Congressional Budget Office. If spending plans don't reflect forward fiscal realities, that is an invitation for lawmakers to take a hatchet to them -- with inevitable consequences for modernization accounts. Also, it wouldn't hurt for the service chiefs to be a little more vocal about the human consequences of no longer having the best-trained, best-equipped military in the world.
 
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We all know that most indians think that China and india are in the same league. This is why they are held in such high 'esteem' on this forum, they play the role of jokers to keep the other members entertained.
Oh I thought Jokers are some of u guys who keep resorting to Bangladesh will win a war with India , bla bla bla.......
That my friend was quite entertaining.

It is your personal freedom to maintain such belief.
So you sincerely believe China will go to war with US on SCS issue? Fine as you said "It is your personal freedom to maintain such belief."
 
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Oh I thought Jokers are some of u guys who keep resorting to Bangladesh will win a war with India , bla bla bla.......
That my friend was quite entertaining.


So you sincerely believe China will go to war with US on SCS issue? Fine as you said "It is your personal freedom to maintain such belief."
You sincerely believe US will go to war with China on SCS issue? US will sacrifice its economy for her Philippine maid and a third world communist country? Did you see U.S jump up and down like Jap after the SCS fake Ruling?
The real world tells you that U.S congress and its people will absolutely not .
If US is not making any move to stop China and China got all her wanted, why China wage a war?
 
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400 billion just enough for China to make the some proper engines for J-20. Wait. I think it's still not enough.
As I provided you 379 billion enough for RDTE and procurement of 2457 F-35 A/B/C ( including 14 prototypes )
Its understandable that a person will not understand the scale of 400 billion when he is from a country with it's GDP is 191 billion... even lower than Philippines......................not just lower than the Philippines!:rofl: Only 66% Philippines(296B)!!??:rofl: And same population!?:rofl:
Go fuking outside -> grow more rice -> beat Philippines first -> then come back and bullshit thing that your country will never produce.

FYI, 2015 GDP of ShenZhen is 266B
 
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Actually, the total current expenditure for F-35 program is about less than 100 billions:
with RDTE is about 55 billions.
Means about one-sixth or one-seventh of US annual defence budget.
To acquire 2457 F35 three variants ( completed procurement in 2035 ), 379 billion is cheap price for US.
Let say F-35 started in 2005, in average, US spent over 10 billion for F-35 annually and get total 2457 in 2035.

The cost continue to be lower, as the estimated 391 billion last year already down to 379 billion this year.

FYI, this budget is irrelevant to Vietnam or PH GDP. Don't play the game of derailment plus bashing country. It's cheap and dirty game.

Its understandable that a person will not understand the scale of 400 billion when he is from a country with it's GDP is 191 billion... even lower than Philippines......................not just lower than the Philippines!:rofl: Only 66% Philippines(296B)!!??:rofl: And same population!?:rofl:
Go fuking outside -> grow more rice -> beat Philippines first -> then come back and bullshit thing that your country will never produce.

FYI, 2015 GDP of ShenZhen is 266B

your argument ( a guy from the small country can't understand the meaning of 400 billion program ) is clueless and for bashing country.
@waz : stop this guy please
and this guy
Vietnam expects to produce more Nike shoes with that TPP deal.

China is the same, GDP of China in 1980 less than 191 billion with population 1 billion ( means it's terribly worse than Vietnam current situation, because our population less than 100 million )
during 1920s - 1930s US GDP per capita at the same current figure of China .
 
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Its understandable that a person will not understand the scale of 400 billion when he is from a country with it's GDP is 191 billion... even lower than Philippines......................not just lower than the Philippines!:rofl: Only 66% Philippines(296B)!!??:rofl: And same population!?:rofl:
Go fuking outside -> grow more rice -> beat Philippines first -> then come back and bullshit thing that your country will never produce.

FYI, 2015 GDP of ShenZhen is 266B

What kind of logic is that? He talked about engines and R&D expenditure, you then counter with something about rice? China GDP is also ~66% of the US’ GDP, but Chinese still freely criticize the F-35, etc. have you seen anyone told them off-topic that “your GDP is only ~66% of USA, go outside and grow more rice first”.
 
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Valid point isn't in the blood of stooges! At best you can form some words which is actually like a script from Delhi.
Interesting argument.....did you get the cookie? A chinese fortune cookie would do.
 
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love to see, when the so called soon, soon and soon to be mass produced J-20 actively deployed outside of China region?
 
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Ha ha ha. The biggest winner in this F35 fiasco is the defence industrial complex. Great strategy of having the F35 made in every State of US. Gives a real meaning of the phrase "All politics are local".

F35 is already too big to stop. US is stuck with it. He he he. So F35 advocates like you are just consoling your selves.

He he he. A timely article....
How A Looming Fiscal Crisis Could Doom America's Military Edge

Loren B. Thompson
August 26, 2016

The problem with defense professionals is that defense is all they think about. Other than spending time with the family and catching a football game on the weekend, they're all about war. So things that impinge on their profession from outside the military realm often come as a colossal surprise.

The Budget Control Act is a case in point. Anybody who follows U.S. politics realizes that defense is a sideshow in the struggle for power. The big divide is between those who favor taxes and entitlements, and those who oppose them. But if you aren't tuned into that debate, then you probably won't be prepared for what developments such as the Budget Control Act mean for your plans.

That one law has done more to erode U.S. military readiness and modernization than all of America's enemies combined in the current decade. The reason why is that it capped military outlays (and other discretionary spending) for ten years at a time when rising funding was required to sustain training and technology investments. The lesson is that if you are a military planner, you need to pay attention to politics here -- not just in Russia and China.

With that in mind, it would be worthwhile for Pentagon planners to take a close look at the ten-year projections of federal revenues and outlays that the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released this month. They present a bleak fiscal outlook for the next decade, with annual deficits returning to a trillion dollars or more annually. Trillion-dollar deficits are what gave us the Budget Control Act in the first place, so planners should consider what their return might mean in terms of new spending constraints.

At the moment, there's little evidence military planners are giving long-term fiscal trends much thought. The Air Force and Navy both have ambitious investment agendas in place that require peak funding in the same timeframe that federal finances are projected to go haywire. The Army has said it is deferring major modernization initiatives until after 2020 -- when its planners assumed money would be more available due to expiration of the Budget Control Act.

Chances are, it won't be more available for three reasons. First, the economy is projected to grow at the subpar pace of only 2% annually between 2017 and 2026, meaning tax receipts won't increase much. Second, spending on entitlements for an aging population will balloon. Third, the cost of financing the national debt will rise, partly because the debt grows from $20 trillion in 2017 to $28 trillion in 2026, and partly because interest rates increase.
End result: bigger and bigger annual deficits. Specifically, the amount the government must borrow to close the gap between tax receipts and spending rises from $438 billion last year (2.5% of GDP) to $1,243 billion in 2026 (4.6% of GDP). The upward trend in spending is driven almost entirely by rising outlays for Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and interest on the burgeoning debt. Collectively, those three items account for 82% of the increase in outlays over the period 2017-2026 -- an increase that will raise government spending from $4 trillion in 2017 to over $6 trillion only ten years later.

This doesn't sound like the kind of fiscal setting in which pent-up demand for new military technology can finally be met. Quite the opposite: recent experience suggests that when money is tight, entitlements trump defense, and within defense consumption trumps investment. That's why the Obama Administration has generated two-thirds of the military savings mandated by the Budget Control Act by cutting modernization. It has been more generous with readiness, and has barely touched military pay and benefits at all.

Not that Congress would have been receptive to cutting pay and benefits. Like the decaying bridges and roads that never seem to get addressed by the domestic discretionary part of the federal budget, investment in military technology only gets funded after all the people costs have been covered. Politicians understand that they're more likely to get re-elected by bolstering pay and benefits than by buying more warships. So that's what they do, no matter how unbalanced the resulting defense posture looks.

This situation could be far worse midway through the next decade, when the military's current modernization plans are supposed to reach peak spending levels even though CBO says budgets will be way out of balance. It is worth noting that the budget office compiles its projections on the assumption that current laws won't change. However, if some bright change agent like Donald Trump has his way, tax rates could be slashed in a fashion that greatly exacerbates revenue shortfalls.

Of course, it's always possible a big new threat will come along to rescue America's military from the budgetary consequences of current fiscal trends. However, that isn't what you'd call a sound planning assumption. A better approach would be to recognize the fiscal crisis looming in the next decade, and act now to bolster investment before the budget walls close in.

In the case of the Army, that means more generous funding of upgrades to existing combat systems so that they have greater survivability, lethality and connectivity if war with high-end adversaries like Russia occurs. In the case of the Air Force, it means getting the ramp rate up on the F-35 fighter right away, rather than waiting for the mythical "out-years" to provide additional money. In the case of the Navy, it means locking in a funding mechanism for the next generation of ballistic missile submarines so there are no delays in that crucial modernization effort.
More generally, military planners need to start paying attention to the warnings embedded in fiscal projections from places like the Congressional Budget Office. If spending plans don't reflect forward fiscal realities, that is an invitation for lawmakers to take a hatchet to them -- with inevitable consequences for modernization accounts. Also, it wouldn't hurt for the service chiefs to be a little more vocal about the human consequences of no longer having the best-trained, best-equipped military in the world.
USA wont be laughing if it goes into a war in next 24 months with China
 
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Oh I thought Jokers are some of u guys who keep resorting to Bangladesh will win a war with India , bla bla bla.......

That my friend was quite entertaining.


Your friends in BD have that kind of overconfidence; they want to show that they are not puppets of india. I have always been claiming that BD is practically an indian province now.

So you sincerely believe China will go to war with US on SCS issue? Fine as you said "It is your personal freedom to maintain such belief."



China will never fire the first shot because she doesn't need to. At one stage the US will be forced to do it in order to save face to her allies. Besides, the indians are always there to constantly point out to the US what a mortal threat China has become to world peace. So, the possibility is always there that the US will listen to the crap and act on it.
 
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Your friends in BD have that kind of overconfidence; they want to show that they are not puppets of india. I have always been claiming that BD is practically an indian province now.





China will never fire the first shot because she doesn't need to. At one stage the US will be forced to do it in order to save face to her allies. Besides, the indians are always there to constantly point out to the US what a mortal threat China has become to world peace. So, the possibility is always there that the US will listen to the crap and act on it.

Dear T-rex,

What is the Truth?

All these China haters and what not like the indians have no strength to threaten China hence they wish and pray that the US will be foolish to attack China and destory China...and the US will or can never do such a thing.

These are nothing more than sick dreams of hateful minds...why waste your engergies on those whose delusions have darkened their hearts and minds? Even the fake flager BD posters..who actually are indians!!!!

No one is going to attack China...and China has not in history sought to be an expansionist state.

Chinese wars and struggles have always been defensive..for the perservation of the Middle Kingdom and the Chinese Civilisation....

It is very sad to see your poeple becoming under the control of the illegal indian empire just like they have total control of Bhutan...and have been trying to do the same with SL.

Luckily for SL China was there to provide much needed economic and development support.

Maladives is also being infiltrated by the indians and they have been trying to sow hate against China there as well. This is what they do...they are the merchants of hate.

Anyways, retain your engergies and keep your discourse on the heart of the matter as you always do.

You are true Sino-Pak Friend!

Take care
 
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Your friends in BD have that kind of overconfidence; they want to show that they are not puppets of india. I have always been claiming that BD is practically an indian province now.
My friends? get ur facts right besides they are one of u.
China will never fire the first shot because she doesn't need to. At one stage the US will be forced to do it in order to save face to her allies. Besides, the indians are always there to constantly point out to the US what a mortal threat China has become to world peace. So, the possibility is always there that the US will listen to the crap and act on it.
Oh cut the crap, enough with this Chinese Holiness , I repeatedly fail to understand y u guys make a virtual stand for China ? DO u comprehend what u are suggesting? Y should Indians point out US about China? What US is doing is for their national interest, Simple!
 
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