US should give up the idea of cold war 2.0 with China. Because there will never be a good end for it

[Beast]

lot of circle jerk among happy Chinese in the thread ..

just to burst few bubbles around how USSR was not an economic and science power --

Soviet economy in 1989 was $2.66 trillion. Inflation adjusted number will be 6 trillion now, assuming it does not grow for 30 years

Per capita income was $5800 in 1989. it will be $13000 per capita in 2021, inflation adjusted. still higher that current china ..

On scientific achievements, they were among the most innovative countries. they send rocket to space and people into orbit, when Xi was still in his diapers..

LOL.. Now it is Chinese who landed a working Mars rover ahead of others beside US. Something which Svpoviet cant even achieve in their lifetime. Tide has change. Its Chinese leading the innovation. Eat your humble pie!

Soviet Union intitially started very well. It bought in various nationalities with respect and one should not discount its stunning vicotry against nazis without which slavs would have been literally slaves. even now Russia which inherited soviet union acts like its own boss. They may not be as wealthy as western nations but they are no one's door mat.

Having said that one reason why it collapsed is increasing imposition of russian on other nationalities and reduction of spirit of solidarity. This led to disillusion in other countries.

Soviet union did not collapse in to some anarchy. it just dissolved in to basic language based nationalities.

Its leadership is not strong. Soviet will was cracked by the American capitalism. They need someone like Stalin.

 

[letsrock]

The Chinese don't care about ideology because we are a homogeneous country, and our country foundation is the nation. Therefore, the propaganda methods used by the USA against the USSR have no effect on us.

The homegenous part covers 90 percent of chinese population but only 60 percent of chinese area i think. I doubt uighurs and tibetans are part of the same nation as han. So ideology and a sense of accomodation of other nationalities within chinese border is important.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

lot of circle jerk among happy Chinese in the thread ..

just to burst few bubbles around how USSR was not an economic and science power --

Soviet economy in 1989 was $2.66 trillion. Inflation adjusted number will be 6 trillion now, assuming it does not grow for 30 years

Per capita income was $5800 in 1989. it will be $13000 per capita in 2021, inflation adjusted. still higher that current china ..

On scientific achievements, they were among the most innovative countries. they send rocket to space and people into orbit, when Xi was still in his diapers..

$13k and $12k isn't a meaningful difference. It might be for India since the difference is equal to an entire Indian GDP but that's just 1 year of growth difference.

 

[Zsari]

Self restraint do helps. Then why would US still enforce one China policy and they will not recognised Taiwan independent? Even US do self restraint. They could have taken Meng to US and jail her for life but didn't. Becos that is China red line.

If China does not have effective A2AD that encompasses the island, US would already have made Taiwan's independence a reality. It's not due to self-restraint but strength.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You have a misconception of US strength. I once worked for US company. It’s not manufacturing.

weak manufacturing = no power for arm race

The US became the dominant superpower after the WWII because of its then unmatched manufacturing power.

 

[cloud4000]

1, Hard to win the new cold war for US.

The only thing I see here is that the Cold War will be different.

2,China will never surrender like Soviet Union did.

The Soviet Union never surrendered, it simply collapsed. It was never militarily defeated.

 

[Saudang]

$13k and $12k isn't a meaningful difference. It might be for India since the difference is equal to an entire Indian GDP but that's just 1 year of growth difference.

You need some basic economics lesson, if you can't differentiate between inflation adjusted per capita of someone in 1989 vs someone else in 2021.

By the way, i live in a country with 5x per capita of Chinese. And it will take few generations for the Chinese to close the gap

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

lot of circle jerk among happy Chinese in the thread ..

just to burst few bubbles around how USSR was not an economic and science power --

Soviet economy in 1989 was $2.66 trillion. Inflation adjusted number will be 6 trillion now, assuming it does not grow for 30 years

Per capita income was $5800 in 1989. it will be $13000 per capita in 2021, inflation adjusted. still higher that current china ..

On scientific achievements, they were among the most innovative countries. they send rocket to space and people into orbit, when Xi was still in his diapers..

China's 2021 GDP is going to be around 18 trillion, so it is pretty close to $13000 per capita. What's your point?

China's 2022 GDP will very likely exceed 20 trillion, and do you think a third country in the world can hit that mark any time soon?

 

[REhorror]

I actually want US to engage further so they can implode LOL.

 

[Beast]

You need some basic economics lesson, if you can't differentiate between inflation adjusted per capita of someone in 1989 vs someone else in 2021.

By the way, i live in a country with 5x per capita of Chinese. And it will take few generations for the Chinese to close the gap

I thought u live in India and still practice open defecation?

 

[Stranagor]

China-US relationship is currently a relationship of equals. Wherever US may inflict existential harm to China's interests, China can respond equally. Restrain or aggressiveness is just outcome of strategic priority, not weakness or strength. This new Cold War is a war of stemina and long vision.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

You need some basic economics lesson, if you can't differentiate between inflation adjusted per capita of someone in 1989 vs someone else in 2021.

By the way, i live in a country with 5x per capita of Chinese. And it will take few generations for the Chinese to close the gap

Soviets were growing far slower than China was and even regressed in some years, so there's no guarantee they'd have GDP per capita higher than 13k USD.

I live in a country with 50x GDP per capita of India and my homeland has 6x the GDP per capita of India. Do I brag about it?

 

[Saudang]

I thought u live in India and still practice open defecation?

You know what is common between Chinese, mosquito, rat or bat?? All are vectors of virus

 

[Beast]

You know what is common between Chinese, mosquito, rat or bat?? All are vectors of virus

Better than crapped open India defecation.

You know what, only animals do that

Australia white will club u to death, don't worry. You don't belong there. you belong back to open defecation of India.

 

[Saudang]

Better than crapped open India defecation.

You know what, only animals do that

Australia white will club u to death, don't worry. You don't belong there. you belong back to open defecation of India.

Don't insinuate me any further please. Or i may end up slapping the skinny Chinese janitor in my building to take revenge