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US offers to co-develop advanced Javelin missile with India

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The US Deputy Secretary of Defence, Ashton Carter, who arrives in India on Monday for a two-day visit, has masterminded a proposal that could dramatically boost US-India defence relations.

The US Department of Defence (Pentagon) has written to the Ministry of Defence (MoD) proposing that the two countries collaborate in jointly developing a next-generation version of the Javelin anti-tank missile.

India has been offered a specific share of the development programme and requested to respond by a specific date. The Pentagon is going ahead with this progamme on its own if India chooses not to participate.

Last year, Carter had proposed that US companies could join hands with Indian partners in setting up manufacturing facilities for five major systems in India. These include the MH-60 Romeo multi-role helicopter, built by Sikorsky and Lockheed Martin; a delivery system for scatterable mines; and the M-45 127 millimetre rapid-fire naval gun. Later, the US proposed co-producing the Javelin missile, which is built by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin;

New Delhi has not yet responded to the co-manufacture proposal. Now Carter has raised the ante with his proposal for co-developing the next-generation Javelin.

India has a successful co-development project with Russia for the Brahmos cruise missile, and with Israel for the Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LR-SAM) and Medium Range Surface to Air Missile (MR-SAM). But with the US, India has only bought equipment over-the-counter. American equipment has not even been manufactured in India with technology transfer, far less co-developed.

US officials, speaking anonymously, confirm that the co-development proposal will be on Ashton Carter’s discussion agenda during his meetings in New Delhi on Tuesday. Carter will be meeting a range of Indian officials, including National Security Advisor, Shivshankar Menon.

Top Indian MoD sources confirm to Business Standard that the US co-development proposal for the next-generation Javelin has been received and is being evaluated.

A senior DRDO source also confirmed the US offer, but played it cool. He said, “The DRDO welcomes co-development of advanced weapon systems, provided there is real technological collaboration involved. India needs to fill its technology gaps and co-development should ensure that both partners build upon their mutual strengths.”

Carter’s proposal is part of a 15-month-old American push to intensify its defence relationship with India. Earlier, in response to New Delhi’s interest in the Javelin, the US State Department had observed that fulfilling India’s requirement would “alter the regional military balance.” Worse, Washington refused to transfer key technologies that New Delhi insisted upon as a part of the deal.

That approach changed dramatically since June 2012, when then US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta, nominated Ashton Carter, to break down the bureaucratic barriers in Washington that impeded the US-India defence relationship — which Washington had determined was pivotal to America’s future in Asia. A formal mechanism called the DTI — tellingly, the US called it the Defence Trade Initiative, while India referred to it as Defence Technology Initiative — was set up. Carter co-chairs it along with National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon,

A close watcher of the Pentagon says Carter has pushed the US bureaucracy hard to change their approach to India. Earlier, US officials regarded India as just another non-NATO country — one with which America did not even have a formal alliance, and which was unwilling to sign cooperative agreements with the US.

“Before Carter got to work, releasing technology to India required a comprehensive justification to be made out. By April 2013, Pentagon officials needed to justify why a particular technology could not be released to India,” says the Pentagon watcher.

The Javelin is now a focus area for Carter. At one stage, the Indian MoD was close to buying a rival missile, the Israeli Spike, for its $1-1.5 billion tender for 8,400 missiles and 321 launcher units for the army’s 350-plus infantry units. But the MoD, wary of a single-vendor buy, ordered a “technology scan” to ascertain that there was no missile on the market other than the Spike.

The FGM-148 Javelin, jointly built by US companies, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, is the world’s premier man-portable, anti-tank missile. It gives infantrymen, highly vulnerable to enemy tanks on the battlefield, a weapon with which to destroy heavy armoured vehicles from a distance of 2.5 kilometres.

But the Israeli Spike, while not nearly as capable, is likely to be a good deal cheaper. If the MoD chooses price over capability, the Spike is likely to emerge the winner.


“But if the MoD agrees to Washington’s co-development proposal, the Javelin would become the clear front-runner for the $1-1.5 billion Indian contract. That is now a realistic prospect,” says a well informed member of the US defence industry.

Link - US offers to co-develop advanced Javelin missile with India | idrw.org
 
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I guess with other options and objectives against china US is also looking to grab Indian defence market from Russia……:coffee:
 
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That is in Everyone’s mind… But India don want only buyer seller relationship.

My bet is that US will share some tech with India. And hopefully, India is capable of absorb them. In the end, I'm sure US will have no need for this jointly develop missile. Just like Russia has no need for Brahmos.
 
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My bet is that US will share some tech with India. And hopefully, India is capable of absorb them. In the end, I'm sure US will have no need for this jointly develop missile. Just like Russia has no need for Brahmos.

But what is important from Indian perspective is that we got a potent missile which increased our defense profile to a great extent. It is one of the most scary weapon in Indian arsenal. We are improving it in blocks. It is uninterceptabel and night mare to our enemy.
 
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I wish for long and trusted relationship between both nations.:cheers:

IMO,we should not get our hopes up too high,India will only accept this if they think the terms of this deal is fair and beneficial.If its not,it will be rejected like S500 SAM from Russia.
 
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From what I've been reading no transfer of technology will take place from the US doing so will only hamper future US ATGM sales to India.

Defence ministry sources said the plan to go in for the American FGM-148 Javelin ATGMs has "virtually been shelved" because of Washington's reluctance to provide full military knowhow - licensed "transfer of technology (ToT)'' - to allow India to indigenously manufacture the "tank killers'' in large numbers after an initial off-the-shelf purchase.

Israel pips US in anti-tank guided missile supply to India - Times Of India


We've been hearing about this story since Nov. 2012...
 
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My bet is that US will share some tech with India. And hopefully, India is capable of absorb them. In the end, I'm sure US will have no need for this jointly develop missile. Just like Russia has no need for Brahmos.

With you utter lack of knowlege about facts, you have made most of your posts irrelevant at best.

It's a US offer ... they are free to offer whatever they want to.

India hasn't accepted the offer yet.

Going by past records, the pricing is unlikely to work out unless there is license production in India.. as it always happens in the case of other deals, be it Su-30MKIs, Rafales, scorpene submarines, hawk trainers or even the earlier deals of Soviet era (Mig-21s, tanks, .. just about anything).

Manufacturing in India makes the pricing work for all the above items.. since India's needs are always in large numbers.

How many of the equipments in Indian armed forces have been manufactured outside India ... every seller knows pricing won't work, till manufacturing takes place in India, under technology transfer.

India's defence spending remains almost rock constant at 2% of GDP ... and the cheapest most effective defence needs a combination of indigenous technologies, foreign tech buyouts ... co-developments, where foreign technologies are not fully developed.

As for Brahmos it uses Indian guidance systems with russian propulsion. On the contrary, co-development with Israel on LR-SAM uses Indian propulsion with Israeli avionics.

If nations operated in vaccum, Europeans would have been doing all their maths with Roman numerals: I, II, III, IV ... and you can imagine how far they would have managed to get.

Ask any European, if he/she is ashamed of using Indian numeral system !!

In words of Einstein: "We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."

Even the "so-indigenous technology" chinese stopped using counting rods, changed their utterly unmanageable language from top to down writing to the universal left-to-right. Are they ashamed of using the advances which happened and are still happening across the world?
 
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Javelin missile will make enemy tanks useless.... I hope people had seen a tank was blown up by javelin missile and that tank's only half meter long metal was left.... India benefiting just too much and its not good for china.
 
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They offered to co develop F 35, Anti Missile defense system, Space Debris tracking system and now javelin. When we reach on the threshold of achieving something, they will offer us the same product of America. Since we are on the verge of succeeding of Nag, this was what they should have done.
 
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