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Wednesday Jul 24, 2013

Washington, July 24 — Suggesting that in making Pakistan a partner in its war on terror in Afghanistan, the US had lost its focus, Bharatiya Janata Party wants US to keep India in the picture on any new initiatives in the region.
"The US has made Pakistan a partner in its war on terror in Afghanistan in the last ten years. The results have been a mixed bag," BJP President Rajnath Singh said at a conference on "Security, stability & prosperity of Afghanistan" here Tuesday.
"While the Taliban and Al Qaeda have lost many key leaders and thousands of fighters they continue to hold on to their strongholds in the South and East of Afghanistan and also inside Pakistan territory," he said.
"This happened primarily because along the way sometime in 2003/4 the US had lost focus due to its campaigns elsewhere and the terror outfits had gained the breathing space to regroup and resurrect," Rajnath Singh said.
"The result was further fleecing of American dollars by Pakistan, further dependence of America on that country and further rise in the activities of terror networks," he said.
Asking Pakistan to "act responsibly to ensure a smooth transition in Afghanistan", Rajnath Singh said, "Unless the fundamental problem of safe havens of these groups and their leadership in Pakistan is addressed, the Taliban menace cannot be eradicated."
Expressing BJP's "cautious optimism keeping in view the track record of successive regimes in Pakistan," he said the party expected the new Pakistan leadership to show courage and determination to rein in radical elements within the ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) and the Pakistan Army from interfering in the internal affairs of Afghanistan after the NATO Forces' withdraw.
"Pakistan must realise that the radical Taliban have caused enormous damage to not only the NATO Forces and the democratic leadership in Afghanistan, but also the Baluchs and many others in Pakistan too," Rajnath Singh said.
He regretted "that once again an attempt is being made to make-believe that the real cause of the Afghan conflict is India-Pakistan rivalry there."
The BJP chief said the US has to make its own decisions regarding the final scope and time-table of withdrawal from Afghanistan, but its decision has implications for the region in terms of the combat against extremism.
"As a major power in the region, India needs to be properly informed about any US initiatives in the region," he said.
Stressing the importance of ensuring that Afghanistan "doesn't relapse into the pre-2001 anarchic mode once the NATO troops withdraw," he said, "It must be ensured that we do not leave behind a 'Black Hole' of global security while leaving that country."
Asserting that mutually beneficial and supportive India-Afghanistan ties do not stand in the way of Afghanistan's ties with its other neighbours, Rajnath Singh said: "We would wish Afghanistan to have close, friendly ties with all its neighbours and exercise full freedom of choice in this regard."
"India and the US must continue to work together constructively and transparently in ensuring that the end game in Afghanistan is played out smoothly, in Afghanistan's best interest and without damaging the interests of its neighbours," he said.
The conference was organised by the Foundation for India and Indian Diaspora Studies in partnership with US India Political Action Committee and American Foreign Policy Council.


Read more: US must keep India in picture on Afghanistan: BJP chief - NY Daily News | NewsCred SmartWire
 
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Naqarkhanay me toti ki awaz kon sunta ha

ya phir.... Billi ko cheechro k khawab :D :D


Mama Mama (US) pak ko zada paar krti han mjhe kio nhi kerti... me kya itna ganda hun :D :D

Indian in afghanistan :omghaha: :omghaha:
 
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Why should "US Keep" India in Afghanistan, Isnt India a country with independent foreign policy who enjoys good relations with Afghanistan

Isnt Pakistan an independent sovereign country with a powerful army and nuclear bomb that you trigger happy people will use to protect your land and people? Why doesnt it then decide whether US drones bomb it on a daily basis?

Its for the same reason that India needs the US to "keep" it in the Afghan game...
 
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It is difficult to know what exactly is unfolding and what the strategies are of the different actors but I think it is safe to deduce from flurry of activity in recent days that the status quo is changing.

All the hue and cry by different quarters is just the energy signature.

I hope that the US and Pakistan have come to the conclusion that largess on the Afghans is drain to nowhere.
 
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Of course the BJP will say this, they're an super-nationalist party that're going to run for elections soon. I have no doubt that this is more for domestic audience than it is for the international audience.
 
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I hope that the US and Pakistan have come to the conclusion that largess on the Afghans is drain to nowhere.

Out of largess?? What are you talking about? No body is doing the Afghans any favor, every country has its interests and it happens that (some) of the Afghan and the US interest coincides at this moment in time, Period!. Pakistan is a different story!
 
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Out of largess?? What are you talking about? No body is doing the Afghans any favor, every country has its interests and it happens that (some) of the Afghan and the US interest coincides at this moment in time, Period!. Pakistan is a different story!

To start with some tongue and cheek: It seems that Afghans have just recently finished reading textbooks on International relations and while the Textbooks may extol highbrowed interest based calculations the actual reality is a lot different.

There is a growing chorus in the US about the ingratitude of the Afghans towards the Americans in particular - the state maybe an abstract instrument but it is staffed by people who have families, relatives and existential needs. And yes, contrary to what you may believe, there was an enormous desire to help the Afghans by the American people for altruistic reasons. To send Afghan girls to school to help the Afghans build a modern state so the Afghans can lead a dignified existence. I would even argue that a lot of brain capital was expended to couch this in terms that would seem sterile and interest based, because the textbooks say altruism has no place except in support of interest. This reality may not be comprehendible from the Wazir Akbar Khan neighborhood but for those of us who know people inside the beltway who have been connected to the Afghan project - we know this to be true.

But I guess common sense should dictate that the Afghans should get it - for some reason they don't - one can speculate on the reasons - perhaps the trauma of prolonged conflict, perhaps some notion of self superiority, who knows? Being of Pakistani heritage, this is not new, we Pakistani people, have rudely awoken to the odor of ridicule and belittlement by the Afghans, who our parents taught us were our family.

I guess by the same token the Pakistanis should be grateful to the Afghans for letting them feed off our limited resources, spread guns and drugs and poke us in the eyes.

It has been on my todo list for a while to write a blog on this - to collect quotes of Americans of all strata who are waking up now to the ingratitude of the Afghans - but until then, let me quote what I consider a classic expression of this rude awakening and one which will probably echo far into the future:

"Maj. Gen. Peter Fuller, deputy commander of the American-led NATO effort to train and equip Afghan security forces, told POLITICO in an interview that top leaders in the Afghan government had not fully recognized the sacrifices in “treasure and blood” that the U.S. was making for their security and recalled that a senior Afghan official even demanded the transfer of tanks just so they could be used for parades."

He went on: “Why don’t you just poke me in the eye with a needle! You’ve got to be kidding me … I’m sorry, we just gave you $11.6 billion and now you’re telling me, ‘I don’t really care’?”


Sadly I think world is moving on - and it is each other you will be poking in the eyes soon.
 
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Sir I would love to have an intellectual discussion with you as to which books we should read or not :) but I welcome you to watch the following panel discussion and see what the former ISAF chief has too say about the whole Afghan mission. Hussian Haqqani also has some interesting insights on Pakistani involvement in the Afghan affair.

youtube.com/watch?v=G4nHK8Vso7s

To start with some tongue and cheek: It seems that Afghans have just recently finished reading textbooks on International relations and while the Textbooks may extol highbrowed interest based calculations the actual reality is a lot different.
 
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sure,India can send its military to support Afghan govt when the US pull out.This will make sure the Indian interest is safe.This will make BJP happy.
 
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Sir I would love to have an intellectual discussion with you as to which books we should read or not :) but I welcome you to watch the following panel discussion and see what the former ISAF chief has too say about the whole Afghan mission. Hussian Haqqani also has some interesting insights on Pakistani involvement in the Afghan affair.

youtube.com/watch?v=G4nHK8Vso7s

What I wrote in my post, though admittedly anecdotal can be supported by journalistic sources (an example is included in the text)

I think it might be worth Afghans' while to ask the question why there is such a gulf in your perception and the perception of the American people.

Further on books to read, one that I am planning to read again after many years is "Why Nations Go to War: John G. Stoessinger" - which surprisingly makes a very good case that it is not actually interests or the mere clash of interests but it is the personalities that drive nations to conflict. Which also refers to my tongue in cheek remark that it seems that a lot of the Afghan elite have no real experience running foreign policy and seem to think the sterile interest based logic should be applied to the Pakistanis - perhaps that is why as Ambassador Omar Samad eloquently put it: we've failed to develop a relationship with Pakistan on a new model.
 
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original article here

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Wednesday Jul 24, 2013

Washington, July 24 — Suggesting that in making Pakistan a partner in its war on terror in Afghanistan, the US had lost its focus, Bharatiya Janata Party wants US to keep India in the picture on any new initiatives in the region.
"The US has made Pakistan a partner in its war on terror in Afghanistan in the last ten years. The results have been a mixed bag," BJP President Rajnath Singh said at a conference on "Security, stability & prosperity of Afghanistan" here Tuesday.
"While the Taliban and Al Qaeda have lost many key leaders and thousands of fighters they continue to hold on to their strongholds in the South and East of Afghanistan and also inside Pakistan territory," he said.
"This happened primarily because along the way sometime in 2003/4 the US had lost focus due to its campaigns elsewhere and the terror outfits had gained the breathing space to regroup and resurrect," Rajnath Singh said.
"The result was further fleecing of American dollars by Pakistan, further dependence of America on that country and further rise in the activities of terror networks," he said.
Asking Pakistan to "act responsibly to ensure a smooth transition in Afghanistan", Rajnath Singh said, "Unless the fundamental problem of safe havens of these groups and their leadership in Pakistan is addressed, the Taliban menace cannot be eradicated."
Expressing BJP's "cautious optimism keeping in view the track record of successive regimes in Pakistan," he said the party expected the new Pakistan leadership to show courage and determination to rein in radical elements within the ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) and the Pakistan Army from interfering in the internal affairs of Afghanistan after the NATO Forces' withdraw.
"Pakistan must realise that the radical Taliban have caused enormous damage to not only the NATO Forces and the democratic leadership in Afghanistan, but also the Baluchs and many others in Pakistan too," Rajnath Singh said.
He regretted "that once again an attempt is being made to make-believe that the real cause of the Afghan conflict is India-Pakistan rivalry there."
The BJP chief said the US has to make its own decisions regarding the final scope and time-table of withdrawal from Afghanistan, but its decision has implications for the region in terms of the combat against extremism.
"As a major power in the region, India needs to be properly informed about any US initiatives in the region," he said.
Stressing the importance of ensuring that Afghanistan "doesn't relapse into the pre-2001 anarchic mode once the NATO troops withdraw," he said, "It must be ensured that we do not leave behind a 'Black Hole' of global security while leaving that country."
Asserting that mutually beneficial and supportive India-Afghanistan ties do not stand in the way of Afghanistan's ties with its other neighbours, Rajnath Singh said: "We would wish Afghanistan to have close, friendly ties with all its neighbours and exercise full freedom of choice in this regard."
"India and the US must continue to work together constructively and transparently in ensuring that the end game in Afghanistan is played out smoothly, in Afghanistan's best interest and without damaging the interests of its neighbours," he said.
The conference was organised by the Foundation for India and Indian Diaspora Studies in partnership with US India Political Action Committee and American Foreign Policy Council.


Read more: US must keep India in picture on Afghanistan: BJP chief - NY Daily News | NewsCred SmartWire

so this busts the myth thats indians r enlightened and moderate against Pakistan. When the time comes they r still those desperate, easily scared type people.
 
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