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US may quit Gulf: India's loss, China's gain


The withdrawal of US troops from Iraq by the year-end will probably be followed by a much bigger US withdrawal from the Persian Gulf. Policy analysts have long assumed that the US must have a dominant military presence in the Gulf to secure its oil supplies. But new technologies and oil discoveries suggest that by 2020, the US will import all its oil from the western hemisphere, ending its dependence on the Gulf. That will sharply reduce its strategic interest and spending in the region.

Till now, the US navy has ensured secure oil movement from and beyond the Gulf. India has been a free rider, getting oil security at no cost. :smokin: China's presence in the region has till now been minimal.

But a US withdrawal, even if partial, will usher in Chinese dominance. India will view that with trepidation.


Foreign policy analysts have long believed that US troops in the region (and two invasions of Iraq) were "all about oil." That is only partially true. The US is quitting Iraq after eight years without any oil windfalls. Iraq's oilfields remain government-owned , and foreign companies hired to rehabilitate fields are getting a puny fee of $2 per barrel.

After the rise of OPEC in the 1970s, all Gulf oilfields owned by foreign oil companies (including US ones) were nationalized, converting US giants like Exxon and Chevron from owners to mere traders of oil. But the Gulf still mattered strategically to the US, since it (and Nato) depended substantially on oil imports from the region.

However, that is about to change dramatically. US imports of oil from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries have already fallen from a peak of 2.76 million barrels per day (mbd) in 2001 to 1.71 mbd in 2010. Fast-rising US production of shale oil is the big new surprise, helping oil imports to decline from 60% of consumption to an estimated 47% this year. Much of that is being met by rising Canadian oil production from tar sands.

The US has enormous shale oil deposits that were unviable earlier: oil did not flow in such "tight" rock formations . But a new technology, fracking, combined with horizontal drilling, increases the oil flow and makes production profitable. US shale oil production has zoomed from almost nothing to 0.9 mbd in 2010, and should more than triple to 2.9 mbd by 2020. By comparison, US imports from Saudi Arabia are currently just 1.1 mbd.

Meanwhile Canadian oil production from tar sands is rising fast and should cross 3 mbd by 2020. If the US opens up its east and west coasts to drilling, says Ed Crooks of the Financial Times, oil production in US and Canada by 2020 could touch 22 mbd, virtually equal to the oil consumption of the two countries last year!


US may quit Gulf: India's loss, China's gain - The Economic Times


US is maintaining balance between Dictator sheikhs and extremists in gulf.

Any instability or rise in extremism is not in the favor of civilized world - India.
 
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Well we do buy more Oil from SA then the USA however we are investing allot in alternative energy, anyway this is good.
 
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What will happen if Russia and India combinely dominates GULF ??
It is obvious that China and India both are hungry for the energy and they both will have some dispute in the region..
Matter is to solve it...
 
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What will happen if Russia and India combinely dominates GULF ??
It is obvious that China and India both are hungry for the energy and they both will have some dispute in the region..
Matter is to solve it...

Russia's won't dominate the gulf they are more pro western then pro Russia, India or china the Gulf will likely be dominated by the GCC, To much dependence on Oil from the Middle East is bad thing, we should continue with the Solar Energy that can be acquired from the Himalayas from Tibet.
 
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From 1999 onwards, Iraq and India began to work towards a stronger relationship. Iraq had supported India's right to conduct nuclear tests following its tests of five nuclear weapons on May 11 and May 13, 1998.[4] In 2000, the then-Vice President of Iraq Taha Yassin Ramadan visited India, and on August 6, 2002 President Saddam Hussein conveyed Iraq's "unwavering support" to India over the Kashmir dispute with Pakistan.[4][6] India and Iraq established joint ministerial committees and trade delegations to promote extensive bilateral cooperation.[7][8]
[edit]Oil-for-Food scandal


Former Minister for External Affairs K. Natwar Singh received illegal kickbacks from Iraq over the Oil-for-Food program.
India's ties with Iraq suffered due to the U.N. sanctions on Iraq, but India soon developed trade within the Oil-for-Food program, which permitted Iraq to export oil for essential goods.[8] However, a 2005 investigation of the program revealed that the then-Indian minister of external affairs Natwar Singh and the congress party had possibly received kickbacks from the Baathist regime, leading to his resignation and at the request of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.[9]
 
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I hope one day soon,cars will start on running on eco friendly fuel like hydrogen,or water or solar or electricity.....We just have to quit this carbon vomitting cars very soon to save ourselves and this earth
 
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From 1999 onwards, Iraq and India began to work towards a stronger relationship. Iraq had supported India's right to conduct nuclear tests following its tests of five nuclear weapons on May 11 and May 13, 1998.[4] In 2000, the then-Vice President of Iraq Taha Yassin Ramadan visited India, and on August 6, 2002 President Saddam Hussein conveyed Iraq's "unwavering support" to India over the Kashmir dispute with Pakistan.[4][6] India and Iraq established joint ministerial committees and trade delegations to promote extensive bilateral cooperation.[7][8]
[edit]Oil-for-Food scandal


Former Minister for External Affairs K. Natwar Singh received illegal kickbacks from Iraq over the Oil-for-Food program.
India's ties with Iraq suffered due to the U.N. sanctions on Iraq, but India soon developed trade within the Oil-for-Food program, which permitted Iraq to export oil for essential goods.[8] However, a 2005 investigation of the program revealed that the then-Indian minister of external affairs Natwar Singh and the congress party had possibly received kickbacks from the Baathist regime, leading to his resignation and at the request of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.[9]
Thank you for the information..
That means we have good relationship with Iraq..
 
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I'm ok with Relations with the gulf countries and securing china's energy needs, however we should not relay on Oil from the ME to much in a region of fanaticism and funding radicalism I'd let India take that :D Tibet will be our energy box.
 
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What will happen if Russia and India combinely dominates GULF ??
It is obvious that China and India both are hungry for the energy and they both will have some dispute in the region..
Matter is to solve it...

Correct me if I am wrong, but Russia has more oil than KSA. So no need of Russia to dominate Gulf.

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What will happen if Russia and India combinely dominates GULF ??
It is obvious that China and India both are hungry for the energy and they both will have some dispute in the region..
Matter is to solve it...

Correct me if I am wrong, but Russia has more oil than KSA. So no need of Russia to dominate Gulf.
 
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Tibet will be our energy box.

This energy box is so precious and its not your as yet and hope will never be yours....your intentions are pretty clear.:devil:
 
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Correct me if I am wrong, but Russia has more oil than KSA. So no need of Russia to dominate Gulf.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but Russia has more oil than KSA. So no need of Russia to dominate Gulf.

Nope Russia holds the 8th largest oil reserves, KSA has the largest.

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This energy box is so precious and its not your as yet and hope will never be yours....your intentions are pretty clear.:devil:

Actually it is, i Know it's indian wet dream to remove it however it will remain a wet dream, yes it will fuel China :D
 
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New Knowledge to me. What exactly you have in Tibet?

Strategic spots, Large Minerals resources, Water resources, Himalayas will be solar bases not to mention the good tourism :D.
 
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This is why gwadar can be a game changer, or one of a few reasons.

How exactly?

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Strategic spots, Large Minerals, Water resources, Himalayas will be solar bases not to mention the good tourism :D.

But no Oil...what a relief:partay:
 
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