US doesn't care about Vietnam: Top 7 reasons

[Martian2]

US doesn't care about Vietnam: Top 7 reasons

1. Vietnam is a communist country. The US has NEVER signed a defense treaty with a communist nation.

2. In 1974, South Vietnam was a US ally. The United States did nothing as China took over the Paracel Islands in 1974.

3. The United States has proclaimed forty years of neutrality in the South China Sea. In the latest incidents, the United States publicly proclaimed neutrality in June and December of 2014.

4. The United States is downsizing the Army to 450,000 troops. The United States will match the post-World War II low in Army strength. The United States does not plan to fight a war.

It is impossible to fight against China's 2.2-million PLA Army with only 450,000 troops.

Army Veterans Recall Layoffs from Previous Eras | Military.com
"Army Veterans Recall Layoffs from Previous Eras
Sep 10, 2014 | by Brendan McGarry
...
After rising to 570,000 soldiers in 2008 during the war in Iraq, the Army has less than 520,000 soldiers today and is on pace to shrink to 490,000 soldiers by next year. It's bracing for even further reductions driven by automatic budget cuts known as sequestration.

The Pentagon's proposed budget for 2015 calls for the service's end-strength to decrease to 440,000-450,000 soldiers by 2017. If sequestration remains in effect, the number may fall to as low as 420,000 soldiers -- tens of thousands less than the figure the Army's top officer, Gen. Raymond Odierno, said is needed to respond adequately to conflicts around the world."

5. The Pentagon insists on protecting its ties with China.

US Army Protects China Ties Despite Tensions | DefenseNews
"US Army Protects China Ties Despite Tensions
By Joe Gould | 10:17 p.m. EST March 4, 2015
...
Amid reports the Pentagon has paused efforts to expand defense ties with China until the two nations can agree on rules for airborne encounters between their warplanes, Gen. Vincent Brooks, chief of US Army Pacific (USARPAC), said he received no instructions to reduce his engagements with the People's Liberation Army.
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The US Army will continue to receive Chinese official visits at US Army Pacific headquarters, plan events with the Chinese and maintain ties under the 'sufficient latitude' that policy guidelines provide, Brooks said. The command, for example, is in talks to hold exchanges between mid-career officials from the two nations.

'We don't want to have transactional engagements with one another, where we only come together when we need something," Brooks said. "We need to have more substantial relationships that can be built over time.'"

6. US gave Vietnam a paltry $28 million in military aid for 2014. $18 million for five patrol boats and $10 million for demining operations. In contrast, Israel received $3.4 BILLION.

Israel Hayom | Israel aid remains untouched in 2014 US budget proposal
"Apr 11, 2013 - Israel would receive $3.4 billion in total military aid under the 2014 U.S. budget proposal sent to Congress by President Barack Obama on ..."

7. China is a very important market to the United States. US carmakers sold 4.6 million cars in China (GM: 3.5 million; Ford: 1.1 million). In contrast, US carmakers sold only 19,000 cars in Vietnam last year.

Ford, GM post double-digit sales gains in China | Automotive News
"Ford, GM post double-digit sales gains in China
January 8, 2015 - 7:03 am ET

SHANGHAI (Reuters) -- Ford Motor Co. and General Motors posted double-digit sales gains in China last year, the automakers reported this week.

Ford and its Chinese joint ventures sold 1.11 million vehicles, up 19 percent from the previous year, Ford said today.
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Meanwhile, GM and its Chinese partners sold a record 3,539,970 vehicles in China in 2014, up 12 percent from the previous year, the U.S. automaker said on Tuesday."

Vietnam's automotive sales leap 43% in 2014: trade association
"Thaco was the market leader with the number of cars sold hitting 42,339 vehicles in 2014, followed by Toyota (40,820), Ford (13,988), Honda (6,492), and Vietnam GM (5,134)."

 

[BoQ77]

basically, it's true as media said. Vietnam is alone.
Done ?

 

[cnleio]

1. Vietnam is a communist country.

↑ Never mind ! American can try to change the Red Vietnam ==> Yellow Vietnam (Republic of Vietnam) ... don't forget, millions of overseas Vietnamese in U.S from original South Vietnam. When the time is ready, American + overseas Vietnamese can bring a Color Revolution to them like today Ukraine, then Vietnam & U.S can shoulder by shoulder like before the WAR !


U.S of A had changed many foreign nations ... Vietnam, a piece of cake for Uncle SAM.

 

[BoQ77]

1. Vietnam is a communist country.

↑ Never mind ! American can try to change the Red Vietnam ==> Yellow Vietnam (Republic of Vietnam) ... don't forget, millions of overseas Vietnamese in U.S from original South Vietnam. When the time is ready, American + overseas Vietnamese can bring a Color Revolution to them like today Ukraine, then Vietnam & U.S can shoulder by shoulder like before the WAR !


U.S of A had changed many foreign nations ... Vietnam, a piece of cake for Uncle SAM.

Why you think oversea Vietnamese would abandon the beautiful life in USA and put themselves into any war?

 

[TaiShang]

1. Vietnam is a communist country.

↑ Never mind ! American can try to change the Red Vietnam ==> Yellow Vietnam (Republic of Vietnam) ... don't forget, millions of overseas Vietnamese in U.S from original South Vietnam. When the time is ready, American + overseas Vietnamese can bring a Color Revolution to them like today Ukraine, then Vietnam & U.S can shoulder by shoulder like before the WAR !


U.S of A had changed many foreign nations ... Vietnam, a piece of cake for Uncle SAM.

That's in fact what I am concerned about the most. Advice to the Vietnamese: Never trust the US regime.

 

[Viet]

US doesn't care about Vietnam: Top 7 reasons

1. Vietnam is a communist country. The US has NEVER signed a defense treaty with a communist nation.

If you bother looking into the history of the world, then you would have known: military alliance mostly bases on common external threat, not political systems of the partners. for instance nazi germany closed an alliance with the communist soviet union. the US usually closes alliances with anyone that fits their global economic and military interests, even with dictatorship system as irak under sadam hussein.

but is vietnam a communist country?

actually yes and no. unlike north korea or cuba, vietnam practises power sharing. so the power does not lie on a single man or institution, but 4:
- the communist party chief
- the president
- the government headed by a prime minister
- the national assembly, headed by a man or women.

all of them, from communist party chief to president to prime minister are chosen and voted among best capable men and women. Plus their terms are limited. Plus confident vote. unlike the kim dynasty in north korea. yes, the basic law says communism/ socialism are the political basis of vietnam, but a mixed of capitalism systems is the basis for vietnam economy. so thing is much more complex. actually not an institution holds the power, but who, man or women, can convince the people which way is the right way.

back to military alliance. the US and Germany were foes in the second world war. but when the war is over, and with the increasing threat of the soviet union, germany has become the core country for defence of western europe. at the height of the cold war, germany was chosen as the main battle ground.

short and medium range nuclear missiles: pershing 1 and 2 for germany. why shouldn´t vietnam allow the US to station such toys on our land, should the conflict get out of control, because chinese clowns run amok?

if you want to kill us, then we must acquire the capacity to kill you. very simple logic.

 

[Martian2]

If you bother looking into the history, then you would have know: military alliance mostly bases on common external threat, not political systems of the partners. for instance nazi germany closed an alliance with the communist soviet union. the US usually closes alliances with anyone that fits their global economic and military interests, even with dictatorship system as irak under sadam hussein.

but is vietnam a communist country?

actually yes and no. unlike north korea or cuba, vietnam practises power sharing. so the power does not lie on a single man or institution, but 4:
- the communist party chief
- the president
- the government headed by a prime minister
- the national assembly, headed by a man or women.

all of them, from communist party chief to president to prime minister are chosen and voted among best capable men and women. Plus their terms are limited. Plus confident vote. unlike the kim dynasty in north korea. yes, the basic law says communism/ socialism are the political basis of vietnam, but a mixed of capitalism systems is the basis for vietnam economy. so thing is much more complex. actually not an institution holds the power, but who, man or women, can convince the people which way is the right way.

US is MIA in Georgia, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine...

Obviously, you don't watch American war documentaries. On network television, it was widely aired that the US was ecstatic to see two communist countries wage war against one another. This was about the Sino-Vietnamese border skirmish.

Also, you really need to listen to Republicans (who control both houses of Congress). They are staunchly anti-communist. The Democrats (or liberal NeoCons) aren't that much different.

The U.S. was unwilling to risk a soldier for white democratic Georgians and white democratic European Ukrainians over Crimea.

You can keep on fantasizing about the US fighting and dying on communist Vietnam's behalf. The probability of that happening is zero.

The US is MIA in the heart of Europe (e.g. Eastern Ukraine) and NATO country. It's absurd to think the US would show up for a conflict in the South China Sea.

I predict there will never be a military alliance between the US and communist Vietnam. If you believe otherwise, give me your best estimated date for the alliance treaty.

 

[Viet]

That's in fact what I am concerned about the most. Advice to the Vietnamese: Never trust the US regime.

can we trust china?

well, that is true with millions of deaths, sufferings and sorrows of our people during the vietnam war. by the way, it was the longest armed conflict for the americans. but from the historic perspective, that war was just a snapshot in our history, comparing to the 1,000 years + conflict with china.

US is MIA in Georgia, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine...

Obviously, you don't watch American war documentaries. On network television, it was widely aired that the US was ecstatic to see two communist countries wage war against one another. This was about the Sino-Vietnamese border skirmish.

Also, you really need to listen to Republicans (who control both houses of Congress). They are staunchly anti-communist. The Democrats (or liberal NeoCons) aren't that much different.

The U.S. was unwilling to risk a soldier for white democratic Georgians and white democratic European Ukrainians over Crimea.

You can keep on fantasizing about the US fighting and dying on communist Vietnam's behalf. The probability of that happening is zero.

The US is MIA in the heart of Europe (e.g. Eastern Ukraine) and NATO country. It's absurd to think the US would show up for a conflict in the South China Sea.

I predict there will never be a military alliance between the US and communist Vietnam. If you believe otherwise, give me your best estimated date for the alliance treaty.

do you want to gamble? do you want to put the fate of china on the poker table?

then I suggest you should go ahead and deploy oil rigs into our EEZ, staging military exercices along sino-vietnam border, in the south china sea. you would help the mind of the communist chief of vietnam a bit to rethink the strategy. my best estimated date for the alliance treaty?

Vietnam Plays Up US Invitation to Communist Party Chief

 

[Martian2]

can we trust china?

well, that is true with millions of deaths, sufferings and sorrows of our people during the vietnam war. by the way, it was the longest armed conflict for the americans. but from the historic perspective, that war was just a snapshot in our history, comparing to the 1,000 years + conflict with china.


do you want to gamble? do you want to put the fate of china on the poker table?

then I suggest you should go ahead and deploy oil rigs into our EEZ, staging military exercices along sino-vietnam border, in the south china sea. you would help the mind of the communist chief of vietnam a bit to rethink the strategy. my best estimated date for the alliance treaty?

Vietnam Plays Up US Invitation to Communist Party Chief

Discussion or talk to yourself? What's it going to be?

I asked you for an estimated date on your claim of a Vietnam-US alliance.

Instead, you pretend that I never asked the question?

Are we going to have a discussion or are you just going to talk to yourself?

 

[Viet]

I asked you for a date on your claim of a Vietnam-US alliance.

Instead, you pretend that I never asked the question?

Are we going to have a discussion or are you just going to talk to yourself?

your response came too quick. check my re-edited post. a military alliance with the US will come with the first shot of the war.

 

[Martian2]

your response came too quick. check my re-edited post.

I don't see an estimated date. When is it?

You can't just keep holding endless meetings. That's called form without substance. No one cares about another meeting.

Is there anything substantive going on?

Is the US opening a large and permanent military base in Vietnam?

Is the US giving the latest high-tech weapons to Vietnam?

Is the US basing squadrons of F-22s in Vietnam?

Give me something that will move the needle. Don't post another routine meeting.

 

[Viet]

I don't see an estimated date. When is it?

You can't just keep holding endless meetings. That's called form without substance. No one cares about another meeting.

when will you fire the first shot?

 

[Martian2]

when will you fire the first shot?

I thought so. You want to talk to yourself. I'm leaving.

You're the one who claimed the possibility of a Vietnam-US alliance. I asked for a firm date and you dodged the question.

Basically, you're admitting your Vietnam-US alliance idea is total bs.

 

[Viet]

I thought so. You want to talk to yourself. I'm leaving.

You're the one who claimed the possibility of a Vietnam-US alliance. I asked for a firm date and you dodged the question.

Basically, you're admitting your Vietnam-US alliance idea is total bs.

it is you who endless posts bs. one of the most of your bs is thinking of nuking on others without impunity.

I don't see an estimated date. When is it?

You can't just keep holding endless meetings. That's called form without substance. No one cares about another meeting.

Is there anything substantive going on?

Is the US opening a large and permanent military base in Vietnam?

Is the US giving the latest high-tech weapons to Vietnam?

Is the US basing squadrons of F-22s in Vietnam?

Give me something that will move the needle. Don't post another routine meeting.

you overestimate me. how do I know when we will close alliance with US? do you think I am a decision maker?
LOL I am just a simple poster as you. My bet all of the US toys will come in due time as soon as we have a deal with the americans.

 

[Martian2]

it is you who endless posts bs. one of the most of your bs is thinking of nuking on others without impunity.

1. In this thread, I never mentioned nukes.

2. There's a difference between an EMP and a thermonuclear blast. An EMP is nuke-based, but it is not a nuclear weapon of mass destruction.

3. You raised the Vietnam-US alliance idea. There isn't a scintilla of support for that idea here in the US. Anybody that reads US news would know that.
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The point of this tread is to move the discussion down the road.

If it is generally agreed that a Vietnam-US alliance is off the table, what are Vietnam's viable choices? I can't get the discussion to move, because Vietnamese keep flooding the thread with nonsense and rhetoric.