US deploys satellites to find missing IAF aircraft

[INDIAPOSITIVE]

SOURCE : THE HINDU

The U.S. government has been providing assistance to Indian authorities since July 28 in the search for the An-32 aircraft which went missing over the Bay of Bengal.

The Indian Air Force aircraft went missing on July 22 with 29 people on board a few minutes after it took off for Port Blair from Chennai in the morning.“At the request of the Indian government, the U.S is assisting in the search for the missing Indian Air Force An-32 transport aircraft,” a U.S. embassy spokesperson said.

He said the weather conditions and cloud cover have frequently obscured the ability to view parts of the search area.

“So far, studies of the imagery of the provided search area have not revealed evidence of the missing AN-32,” he said.

Augmenting search efforts

“Since 28 July, the U.S. government has provided daily ocean current drift analysis data and has consulted satellite imagery of the area that the combined Indian Navy, Coast Guard and Air Force team is searching,” he said.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar had informed Parliament last week that assistance of U.S. satellites had been sought in an attempt to augment the search efforts.


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[Talwar e Pakistan]

What happened to those Indian satellites you guys always chest-thump about.

 

[GR!FF!N]

What happened to those Indian satellites you guys always chest-thump about.

Those are working in full potential to spy on Pakistan.

topic..

Good move.But it is a bit strange that even though so many assets got deployed,still noting came up.Weather might be a big factor,still..

 

[PARIKRAMA]

There is a sad news here

Point 1

• The missing aircraft came with two Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT) – a stationary ARTEX C406-1 ELT manufactured by ACR Electronics/Artex Products, the US, and a French-made portable KANNAD 406AS ELT manufactured by Orolia.
• The integrated ELT gets activated when the impact is about 2.3 G or 4.5 feet per second.
• The manual switching on needs to be done by pilot
• Looking at the situation the manual switching on was not done and that could be possible if G's re too high and pilot did not get time to react.
• Such high G's means automatic ELT in the integrated system also did not work

Point 2

• The shocker seems to be there is no UWB or Under Water Beacon in this aircraft as per some new reports.
• If that is true then its only Recovery vehicles who can track this craft via wreckage recovery efforts
• For that we need to involve private sector as well.

The satellites will find it difficult to trace anything other than some wreckages which may be coming under scanner at any place under IOR. That won't let us to exact pinpoint quickly.

The irony is First post claims none of the An32s have UWBs. Now this is a serious lapse surely.

@Abingdonboy @anant_s @MilSpec @Penguin @Vergennes @Taygibay
Correct me if I am wrong is it not a standard procedure to have UWBs with black box or flight recorder for such transport fleet which travels over seas in different navies or any kind of forces.

If so, can you folks point out what could be possible reason behind the omission of the same in our An32s if the First Post report is true. Logically I don't think UWB cost is high. Is it high confidence that we did nt lose much of the aircrafts operating over seas so we felt UWB is not needed?

Here is the First Post link
https://www.google.co.in/amp/m.firs...-locator-system-search-continues-2928200.html

 

[AMCA]

What happened to those Indian satellites you guys always chest-thump about.

They are on the Job!! Whats wrong in taking a helping hand?

 

[shah1398]

Point 1

• The missing aircraft came with two Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT) – a stationary ARTEX C406-1 ELT manufactured by ACR Electronics/Artex Products, the US, and a French-made portable KANNAD 406AS ELT manufactured by Orolia.
• The integrated ELT gets activated when the impact is about 2.3 G or 4.5 feet per second.
• The manual switching on needs to be done by pilot
• Looking at the situation the manual switching on was not done and that could be possible if G's re too high and pilot did not get time to react.
• Such high G's means automatic ELT in the integrated system also did not work

Point 2

• The shocker seems to be there is no UWB or Under Water Beacon in this aircraft as per some new reports.
• If that is true then its only Recovery vehicles who can track this craft via wreckage recovery efforts
• For that we need to involve private sector as well.

It must be having onborad GPS too. Is there any way that the GPS signals this very aircraft received be tracked as supposedly it must be having military version of GPS? That shud atleast give some idea about impact point?

 

[Anubis]

Those are working in full potential to spy on Pakistan.

topic..

Good move.But it is a bit strange that even though so many assets got deployed,still noting came up.Weather might be a big factor,still..

More assets were deployed to find the Malaysian jet liner...and nobody found anything....that is an ocean..not a pond....high possibility is the the aircraft is at the bottom of the ocean.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

It must be having onborad GPS too. Is there any way that the GPS signals this very aircraft received be tracked as supposedly it must be having military version of GPS? That shud atleast give some idea about impact point?

The upgraded ones were suppose to have GPS. Now it's beyond us why GPS also failed to activate. Perhaps we need to do an enquiry whether it was fitted in the first place or not. If fitted then under what circumstances it failed.

If it failed over sea I m sure the search would have narrowed down.

So I am of the opinion perhaps this craft upgraded at BRD did nt carry one in the first place

 

[shah1398]

The upgraded ones were suppose to have GPS. Now it's beyond us why GPS also failed to activate. Perhaps we need to do an enquiry whether it was fitted in the first place or not. If fitted then under what circumstances it failed.

If it failed over sea I m sure the search would have narrowed down.

Seems its the infamous Murphy law which took heavy toll here.

 

[Taygibay]

Correct me if I am wrong is it not a standard procedure to have UWBs with black box or flight recorder for such transport fleet which travels over seas in different navies or any kind of forces.

You're entirely right.
And the only case for such a lack that can be made is
if an upgrade was planned for later including it but the
planes were rushed into service in the meanwhile.

This could happen in many military outfits although it
would have been illegal for civilian use. More risk is
acceptable for mil avia since danger is always present.

Not the same rules, sad out, Tay.

 

[Imran Khan]

Now think abut searching a submarine in not hot cake

 

[Abingdonboy]

If so, can you folks point out what could be possible reason behind the omission of the same in our An32s if the First Post report is true. Logically I don't think UWB cost is high. Is it high confidence that we did nt lose much of the aircrafts operating over seas so we felt UWB is not needed?

Here is the First Post link
https://www.google.co.in/amp/m.firs...-locator-system-search-continues-2928200.html

All naval a/c will have such systems but this was an IAF asset and it is a failure from the very top to have failed to accomadate these provions for the fleet even though the vast majority would never fly over the sea.

This was a disaster in the making, let's just hope lessons are learnt.

 

[cerilchan]

Why can't india use spy satellite in seach effort