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US delivered 64 military vehicles for the Pakistan army

correction we got our F-16 parts from Israel when America was not willing. money talks ;)

I just dont understand why we dont accept Israel and move on? Why such hypocrisy? If we can get all this without even accepting or establishing normal diplomatic relations, imagine what we can do once we accept Israel. Just my 2 cents
 
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I just dont understand why we dont accept Israel and move on? Why such hypocrisy? If we can get all this without even accepting or establishing normal diplomatic relations, imagine what we can do once we accept Israel. Just my 2 cents

Nothing wrong with recognizing Israel. The problem is that most people think that if we recognize them then we leave the Palestinian Issue behind...Plus our Islamic Parties and Middle East allies will not like this move....
 
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Nothing wrong with recognizing Israel. The problem is that most people think that if we recognize them then we leave the Palestinian Issue behind...Plus our Islamic Parties and Middle East allies will not like this move....

Its time we should stop giving a **** about what others would think. Did Middle East drop its ties with India over Pakistan? No, so why should we shy away from recognising another country? As for the good for nothing molvis, they need to be hanged with the poles.
 
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Its time we should stop giving a **** about what others would think. Did Middle East drop its ties with India over Pakistan? No, so why should we shy away from recognising another country? As for the good for nothing molvis, they need to be hanged with the poles.

Since the Past Pakistan has been afraid of change and want to remain with good standings with Middle East Allies as they have not recognized Israel as well...
 
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Nothing wrong with recognizing Israel. The problem is that most people think that if we recognize them then we leave the Palestinian Issue behind...Plus our Islamic Parties and Middle East allies will not like this move....

Egypt and Jordan have diplomatic relations with Israel. Turkey just normalized its relations with Israel. Saudi Arabia has unofficial relations with Israel. So who exactly will Pakistan be offending? The Palestinans?
 
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Funny how the U.S congress/public/media keeps barking against the Pakistani military and intelligence service while the militaries of both countries have consistently maintained a professional relationship. Why is that so?
 
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These type of questions arise when people look at a problem in isolation. Pakistan's stand is based on a sound principal that no one has the right to occupy a sovereign land and declare it their country. If we recognise Israel, then we should say good bye to our stand on Kashmir also.
Than why do we recognize India?
 
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I just dont understand why we dont accept Israel and move on? Why such hypocrisy? If we can get all this without even accepting or establishing normal diplomatic relations, imagine what we can do once we accept Israel. Just my 2 cents
it is like self imposed curfew
Turks, Jordanians and Egyptians have diplomatic and economic ties, Saudis have common defense ties with Israel regarding Iran and Syria.

and we are standing outside .. our criticism and opposition to Israeli treatment of Palestinians should continue on principles but that shouldnt stop us from having relations with Israel if Arab and non arab Muslims can do so too.
 
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Pakistan already have 275+64 new = total 339 MaxxPro MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicle is an armored fighting vehicle designed by American company Navistar International's subsidiary Navistar Defense along with the Israeli Plasan Sasa, who designed and manufactures the vehicle's armor.
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it is like self imposed curfew
Turks, Jordanians and Egyptians have diplomatic and economic ties, Saudis have common defense ties with Israel regarding Iran and Syria.

and we are standing outside .. our criticism and opposition to Israeli treatment of Palestinians should continue on principles but that shouldnt stop us from having relations with Israel if Arab and non arab Muslims can do so too.
What we will achieve or get by starting diplomatic relation with the state of Israel ? nothing some Arab countries and Turk maintain diplomatic relation because of their defense needs but we have no defense interest in Israeli defense relation and products even they will not sacrifice their Indian relations for Pakistan. Israel supplied India weapons and other necessary equipment to India during Kargil war even in past they are minutes away to bomb our nuclear installations.
 
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it is like self imposed curfew
Turks, Jordanians and Egyptians have diplomatic and economic ties, Saudis have common defense ties with Israel regarding Iran and Syria.

and we are standing outside .. our criticism and opposition to Israeli treatment of Palestinians should continue on principles but that shouldnt stop us from having relations with Israel if Arab and non arab Muslims can do so too.


This will lead to Pakistan losing all the votes by Arab nations at UN. Not a pretty scenario. There is not much to gain from this. Votes at UN are very important. Votes matter. Correctness of your stance does not!
 
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Believe me, the Merkava had a lot of armor under its belly, but facing against 200kg or more IEDs... you got no chance

Don't ask me, I have nothing to do with selling weapons.
And I am pretty sure the answer is no, Pakistan is a hostile country to Israel.
And anyways it will anger India.
shalom friend.
For IEDs you need casspir/nyalas/mambas etc.

Since the Past Pakistan has been afraid of change and want to remain with good standings with Middle East Allies as they have not recognized Israel as well...
I think that is a weak stand. Isreal is here to stay. When all the arab countries have ties directly or indirectly - why is there a farse of maintaining a posture. It gets no deals - just for the sake of getting begging money from the GCC - there is no other reason.
My 2 cents. Even in our country we still have close ties with Isreal despite a major shift in government. We have probably the 3rd largest jewish diaspora.
 
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shalom friend.
For IEDs you need casspir/nyalas/mambas etc.
No vehicle yet can withstand a 200kg IED, one that big will simply blow up any vehicle in existence.
any MRAP, tank or APC that will step on it.
 
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