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Here’s our favorite part of ZombiPonzi. It’s so head-smackingly staggering that we quote Bloomberg verbatim:

The Federal Reserve asked bond dealers and investors for projections of central bank asset purchases over the next six months, along with the likely effect on yields, as it seeks to gauge the possible impact of new efforts to spur growth.

The New York Fed survey, obtained by Bloomberg News, asks about expectations for the initial size of any new program of debt purchases and the time over which it would be completed. It also asks firms how often they anticipate the Fed will re- evaluate the program, and to estimate its ultimate size.

Aw, come on. We’re supposed to believe the Fed, just for information-gathering purposes, is “surveying” its primary dealers -- the 18 banks required to bid every time Treasury auctions its paper, zombies one and all -- about their “expectations” for QE2?

The more apt term is “wish list.”

“What the market wants to hear is that the Fed is going to buy $1 trillion” of Treasuries, says Joseph Lavorgna, chief U.S. economist at Deutsche Bank Securities. That’s ballsy -- one of the zombies making its wish list public.
 
UPDATE 1-China minister says dlr printing out of control | Reuters

* China commerce minister says dollar printing hurting China

BEIJING, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Dollar issuance by the United States is "out of control", leading to an inflation assault on China, the Chinese commerce minister said in comments reported on Tuesday.

Chen Deming, speaking at a trade fair in southern China, said that exporters had done a good job of preparing themselves for exchange rate changes as well as rising labour costs, but were suddenly confronted with new challenges.

"Because the United States' issuance of dollars is out of control and international commodity prices are continuing to rise, China is being attacked by imported inflation. The uncertainties of this are causing firms big problems," Chen was quoted as saying by the official Xinhua news agency.

Chinese officials have criticised U.S. monetary policy as being too loose before, but rarely in such explicit language.

At the G20 meeting in South Korea which ended on Saturday, Chinese Finance Minister Xie Xuren said that issuers of major reserve currencies -- code for the United States -- must follow responsible economic policies.

Along with posing an inflationary risk, a weak dollar also places appreciation pressure on China's yuan since its value is so closely tied to the U.S. currency.

China's consumer price inflation rose to 3.6 percent in the year to September, a 23-month high. It has been led mainly by food costs and many economists expect it to crest before the end of the year.

Despite his concern about the impact of U.S. monetary policy, Chen gave a positive outlook for Chinese trade next year. He said export growth would be stable, while imports would increase strongly. (Reporting by Simon Rabinovitch; editing by Stephen Nisbet)
 
QE2 a ?Ponzi scheme,? says Pimco?s Gross - MarketWatch

Oct. 27, 2010, 3:40 p.m. EDT
QE2 a ‘Ponzi scheme’, says Pimco’s Gross

By Deborah Levine, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — The Federal Reserve’s highly anticipated plan to engage in quantitative easing to pump money into the economy is a “Ponzi scheme,” said Bill Gross, who manages the world’s biggest bond fund for Pimco.

The actions of the Fed, led by Chairman Ben Bernanke, will “likely signify the end of a great 30-year bull market in bonds and the necessity for bond managers and, yes, equity managers to adjust to a new environment,” he wrote in a commentary posted on Pimco’s website Wednesday. See Gross’s full commentary.

“Check writing in the trillions is not a bondholder’s friend; it is in fact inflationary, and, if truth be told, somewhat of a Ponzi scheme,” he said. While the U.S. has sometimes paid down its debt, “there was always the assumption that as long as creditors could be found to roll over existing loans – and buy new ones – the game could keep going forever.”

Going into next week’s elections, Gross said voters need to realize that this Ponzi scheme is unusually “brazen” and has been brought on by the government – of every political party – and its citizens.

“It is not a Bernanke scheme, because this is his only alternative and he shares no responsibility for its origin,” he said.

Such a plan “raises bond prices to create the illusion of high annual returns, but ultimately it reaches a dead-end where those prices can no longer go up,” Gross wrote. “Having arrived at its destination, the market then offers near 0% returns and a picking of the creditor’s pocket via inflation and negative real interest rates.”
 
The US will still be here and rich, long after you and I are gone.
 
U.S. Is Bankrupt and We Don't Even Know It: Laurence Kotlikoff - Bloomberg

U.S. Is Bankrupt and We Don't Even Know It: Laurence Kotlikoff
By Laurence Kotlikoff - Aug 10, 2010
Bloomberg Opinion

Let’s get real. The U.S. is bankrupt. Neither spending more nor taxing less will help the country pay its bills.

What it can and must do is radically simplify its tax, health-care, retirement and financial systems, each of which is a complete mess. But this is the good news. It means they can each be redesigned to achieve their legitimate purposes at much lower cost and, in the process, revitalize the economy.

Last month, the International Monetary Fund released its annual review of U.S. economic policy. Its summary contained these bland words about U.S. fiscal policy: “Directors welcomed the authorities’ commitment to fiscal stabilization, but noted that a larger than budgeted adjustment would be required to stabilize debt-to-GDP.”

But delve deeper, and you will find that the IMF has effectively pronounced the U.S. bankrupt. Section 6 of the July 2010 Selected Issues Paper says: “The U.S. fiscal gap associated with today’s federal fiscal policy is huge for plausible discount rates.” It adds that “closing the fiscal gap requires a permanent annual fiscal adjustment equal to about 14 percent of U.S. GDP.”

The fiscal gap is the value today (the present value) of the difference between projected spending (including servicing official debt) and projected revenue in all future years.

Double Our Taxes

To put 14 percent of gross domestic product in perspective, current federal revenue totals 14.9 percent of GDP. So the IMF is saying that closing the U.S. fiscal gap, from the revenue side, requires, roughly speaking, an immediate and permanent doubling of our personal-income, corporate and federal taxes as well as the payroll levy set down in the Federal Insurance Contribution Act.

Such a tax hike would leave the U.S. running a surplus equal to 5 percent of GDP this year, rather than a 9 percent deficit. So the IMF is really saying the U.S. needs to run a huge surplus now and for many years to come to pay for the spending that is scheduled. It’s also saying the longer the country waits to make tough fiscal adjustments, the more painful they will be.

Is the IMF bonkers?

No. It has done its homework. So has the Congressional Budget Office whose Long-Term Budget Outlook, released in June, shows an even larger problem.

‘Unofficial’ Liabilities

Based on the CBO’s data, I calculate a fiscal gap of $202 trillion, which is more than 15 times the official debt. This gargantuan discrepancy between our “official” debt and our actual net indebtedness isn’t surprising. It reflects what economists call the labeling problem. Congress has been very careful over the years to label most of its liabilities “unofficial” to keep them off the books and far in the future.

For example, our Social Security FICA contributions are called taxes and our future Social Security benefits are called transfer payments. The government could equally well have labeled our contributions “loans” and called our future benefits “repayment of these loans less an old age tax,” with the old age tax making up for any difference between the benefits promised and principal plus interest on the contributions.

The fiscal gap isn’t affected by fiscal labeling. It’s the only theoretically correct measure of our long-run fiscal condition because it considers all spending, no matter how labeled, and incorporates long-term and short-term policy.

$4 Trillion Bill

How can the fiscal gap be so enormous?

Simple. We have 78 million baby boomers who, when fully retired, will collect benefits from Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid that, on average, exceed per-capita GDP. The annual costs of these entitlements will total about $4 trillion in today’s dollars. Yes, our economy will be bigger in 20 years, but not big enough to handle this size load year after year.

This is what happens when you run a massive Ponzi scheme for six decades straight, taking ever larger resources from the young and giving them to the old while promising the young their eventual turn at passing the generational buck.

Herb Stein, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under U.S. President Richard Nixon, coined an oft-repeated phrase: “Something that can’t go on, will stop.” True enough. Uncle Sam’s Ponzi scheme will stop. But it will stop too late.

And it will stop in a very nasty manner. The first possibility is massive benefit cuts visited on the baby boomers in retirement. The second is astronomical tax increases that leave the young with little incentive to work and save. And the third is the government simply printing vast quantities of money to cover its bills.

Worse Than Greece

Most likely we will see a combination of all three responses with dramatic increases in poverty, tax, interest rates and consumer prices. This is an awful, downhill road to follow, but it’s the one we are on. And bond traders will kick us miles down our road once they wake up and realize the U.S. is in worse fiscal shape than Greece.

Some doctrinaire Keynesian economists would say any stimulus over the next few years won’t affect our ability to deal with deficits in the long run.

This is wrong as a simple matter of arithmetic. The fiscal gap is the government’s credit-card bill and each year’s 14 percent of GDP is the interest on that bill. If it doesn’t pay this year’s interest, it will be added to the balance.

Demand-siders say forgoing this year’s 14 percent fiscal tightening, and spending even more, will pay for itself, in present value, by expanding the economy and tax revenue.

My reaction? Get real, or go hang out with equally deluded supply-siders. Our country is broke and can no longer afford no- pain, all-gain “solutions.”

(Laurence J. Kotlikoff is a professor of economics at Boston University and author of “Jimmy Stewart Is Dead: Ending the World’s Ongoing Financial Plague with Limited Purpose Banking.” The opinions expressed are his own.)

To contact the writer of this column: Laurence Kotlikoff at kotlikoff@bu.edu
 
The US will still be here and rich, long after you and I are gone.

People said that about the USSR in 1980. first satellite, first human in space, leader of world communism, largest army in the world, 2nd largest economy of the time.

the sun never sets on the British Empire, at least not in 1920. i mean, look at it, largest economy of the time, 700 million population, controlled 1/4 of the world's surface, every race under 1 flag.

what happened in the end? US government will collapse before 2030.

now, i'm predicting a US default will result in a very rapid devaluation of the USD, hyperinflation, social unrest due to the US being a non-homogenous society made up of mostly people who wanted to make money, and with this motivation gone, there are 2 alternatives:

1.) US is socially unstable, but at peace, and suffers significant crime and brain drain to other regions.
2.) US erupts into civil war, possibly nuclear.
 
The US is at a stage where its need to default (devalue drastically) yet needs to preserve Dollar Hegemony. So hah, the event horizon for the end of Pax Americana is now visible.

I will keeping updating this.

Moderator, as to the relevance of this thread in the China defence forum, well, :

If China is pursuing any strategy that results in greater exposure to the dollar in an attempt to minimise the disruptive effects to itself from the inevitable US default, that is a loser a strategy. It can be like to being like the the US or Japan, in not want to its OWN bitter medicine.

Those Chinese export companies that are dependent on the US market, there is no sense trying to "bail" them out if in the process, it results in increased dollar exposure.
 
I read this article long time ago and if not % of it is becoming reality.
Obama's War The Book if anyone has read I posted it in The Officer's Mess Section shows how there is conflict among US administration and Armed Forces and troubles faced.
 
China should flood the world markets with dollar and exchange the assets to either gold and minerals or American factories effectively turning all Americans into Chinese employees

The whole of american economic is a multi player pyramid gamble where everyone lose and banks win. Remember this was the same system of financial institutions and stock market gambling which took Europe down the drain of war. Same thing in America, but since it happens to be a large hegemonic country with no shared borders with anyone else it is likely to erupt in a civil war.
 
China has signed long term (20 years) oil/gas deals with Russia using USD at fixed rate. What if US dollar devalues and russia refuse to deliver at original price?
 
USA will not collapse due to the default of loans and weakened economy, its greatest assets is the human talent, consist of US born and overseas immigrants. The top brains is a resource that will hold USA as a nation together.

However, if all almost all immigrant scientist, engineers and other professionals were to migrate out of USA, that will be a big hurt. With less money and less talent, USA will be weaked very siginificantly, but it will not collapse. The worst will be attempted break away by states like oil rich Alaska, Haiwaii, New Mexico.

Also no nations really want to see collapse of US happening, what would happen to those tens of thousands deadly weapon, including nukes, that may fall into terrorists hands.

But then again, no nation in the human history can remain status quo forever. May be it will have the fate of ex-Soviet Russia if all things go bad in the states.
 
China has signed long term (20 years) oil/gas deals with Russia using USD at fixed rate. What if US dollar devalues and russia refuse to deliver at original price?

I doubt that will save the dollar. Or that this an expression Russia's faith in the dollar. More likely China ..., well, I shall not say it. Anyway, it will be something interesting for the Kremlin and Zhongnaihai to talk about assuming it is to be taken for what its worth at face value.
 
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Creative Accounting is the Rage in the US.

First the Banksters got permission to do so but not the rest but not having official permission to engage in creative accounting ain't gonna step others from doing so too.

And why not, FOR SURE THE US WILL RECOVER... for whatever is the rationalisation of the day.

Anyway, the emperor oops, SEC is quite far away for Buffet...

Buffett's Berkshire Questioned by SEC on Accounting for Kraft, U.S. Bancorp Losses - DailyFinance

Buffett's Berkshire Questioned by SEC on Accounting for Kraft, U.S. Bancorp Losses
By DANNY KING Posted 3:35 PM 10/25/10 Company News, Kraft Foods, Berkshire Hathaway

Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway (BRK-A) was questioned earlier in the year by U.S. regulators on why the holding company didn't write down $1.86 billion in losses largely from its investments in Kraft Foods Inc. (KFT) and U.S. Bancorp (USB) during the second quarter, Reuters reported.

In a May letter to the Securities and Exchange Commission, Berkshire CFO Marc Hamburg said earnings potential and the resulting stock appreciation for both companies would render such losses temporary and therefore didn't warrant a write-down, the wire service said, citing documents Berkshire filed with the regulator Monday. Berkshire bought shares of those companies in 2006 and 2007.

Hamburg said the company expected to recover its losses from its positions in Kraft and U.S. Bancorp within two years, Reuters said. Both companies' share prices increased at least 10% during the first quarter, Reuters said, citing the letter from Hamburg.

The SEC questioned Berkshire's decision to not write-down the value of those investments because the company had made the investments more than a year prior to recording its second-quarter results, the wire service said. The Berkshire documents didn't say how the issue was resolved, and representatives for Buffett didn't immediately respond to a request for comment, according to Reuters.
 
USA will not collapse due to the default of loans and weakened economy, its greatest assets is the human talent, consist of US born and overseas immigrants. The top brains is a resource that will hold USA as a nation together.

However, if all almost all immigrant scientist, engineers and other professionals were to migrate out of USA, that will be a big hurt. With less money and less talent, USA will be weaked very siginificantly, but it will not collapse. The worst will be attempted break away by states like oil rich Alaska, Haiwaii, New Mexico.

Also no nations really want to see collapse of US happening, what would happen to those tens of thousands deadly weapon, including nukes, that may fall into terrorists hands.

But then again, no nation in the human history can remain status quo forever. May be it will have the fate of ex-Soviet Russia if all things go bad in the states.

Another Gerald Celente type of rationalisation. American Spirit of "whatever you want to fill it here" will bring the US out of the hole. Er, have you considered that the reason the US is the hole, and the hole is so deep is that the American Spirit of "whatever" is dead...
 
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