US commander stresses need to foster ties with Pakistan

[fatman17]

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

US commander stresses need to foster ties with Pakistan

LAHORE: Commander of the United States Naval Forces Central Command Vice Admiral Kevin Cosgriff emphasised the need to foster relationships with coalition partners such as Pakistan while addressing officers at the Pakistan Navy War College on Monday.

“The more coalition partner nations collaborate to provide security in the region, the greater our chances of success” said Cosgriff, who is also commander of the US Navy Fifth Fleet and Combined Maritime Forces. “The continued presence of the coalition forces guarantees maritime security for those who depend on free use of the seas,” he added.

Cosgriff said that security ensures stability, which enhances trade, promotes economic vitality and increases regional and global prosperity.

Cosgriff explained how the new US maritime strategy for 21st century sea power helped shape maritime policy in the Indian Ocean, and briefed the participants on how both coalition and Fifth Fleet forces help build maritime security in the region. The US Navy Fifth Fleet is responsible for naval forces in the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea and the Arabian Sea.

“We should strive to form a persistent and credible naval power conducting security operations,” said Cosgriff.

Cosgriff’s visit to Pakistan at the invitation of the Pakistan Navy highlights the importance of military and diplomatic relations between the two nations. app

 

[muse]

Take note, now the US military is in the business of diplomacy, especially when it comes to "troublesome" places. But then again the Pakistani "press" chased away Messiers Boucher and Negroponte -- doesn't exactly leave the Americans with many choices.

AND - The US and it's new creation will not rest until they reach the Arabian sea. Pakistan will have stopped the Soviet and their Khalqi and Parchami ***** from ever realizing their goal, but today, with the "new sherriff in town" talking about the need to form "a persistent and credible naval power conducting security operations" -- so where does PN fit into this?? --- and the new Sherriff's deputy have built a powerful narrative that argues that the deputy has a right to the Arabian sea and Persian gulf, in the words of that great Afghan sailor......" I want it and my uncle is going to get it for me".

 

[Jliu]

Take note, now the US military is in the business of diplomacy, especially when it comes to "troublesome" places. But then again the Pakistani "press" chased away Messiers Boucher and Negroponte -- doesn't exactly leave the Americans with many choices.

AND - The US and it's new creation will not rest until they reach the Arabian sea. Pakistan will have stopped the Soviet and their Khalqi and Parchami ***** from ever realizing their goal, but today, with the "new sherriff in town" talking about the need to form "a persistent and credible naval power conducting security operations" -- so where does PN fit into this?? --- and the new Sherriff's deputy have built a powerful narrative that argues that the deputy has a right to the Arabian sea and Persian gulf, in the words of that great Afghan sailor......" I want it and my uncle is going to get it for me".

The PN has a vital role in safeguarding the flow of oil supplies to Asia east of the Persian Gulf and also in combating the virulent outbreak of Piracy in the Indian Ocean (see Naval Task Force 150). The PN is a natural partner of the USN as part of Thousand Ship Fleet strategy to secure open sea lanes in South Asia.

 

[Comet]

There is Piracy going on in sea even in 21st century???

 

[fatman17]

There is Piracy going on in sea even in 21st century???

wake up laddie and smell the coffee!. modern day piracy includes smuggling of contraband, people and attacking ships (dhows, trawlers) plowing the straits and robbing them.(malacca is a prime example)

 

[Comet]

I am sorry for being so naive.

 

[fatman17]

Take note, now the US military is in the business of diplomacy, especially when it comes to "troublesome" places. But then again the Pakistani "press" chased away Messiers Boucher and Negroponte -- doesn't exactly leave the Americans with many choices.

AND - The US and it's new creation will not rest until they reach the Arabian sea. Pakistan will have stopped the Soviet and their Khalqi and Parchami ***** from ever realizing their goal, but today, with the "new sherriff in town" talking about the need to form "a persistent and credible naval power conducting security operations" -- so where does PN fit into this?? --- and the new Sherriff's deputy have built a powerful narrative that argues that the deputy has a right to the Arabian sea and Persian gulf, in the words of that great Afghan sailor......" I want it and my uncle is going to get it for me".

this is part of the carrot and stick approach. the US state deppt or diplomats use the stick to tell us that we r not doing enough, then the military guys come over and use the carrot approach (being the same fraternity) and tell us how important our role is in the scheme of things.

 

[fatman17]

I am sorry for being so naive.

no problem mate! i apologise if i embarrased you.

 

[Comet]

No really. I really had no Idea that piracy is going on today. I though it was over after WW2. Most probably because of the invent of fast moving ships and communication technology

 

[muse]

"The PN is a natural partner of the USN as part of Thousand Ship Fleet strategy to secure open sea lanes in South Asia"


Whatever you are smoking, give it up. USN has no partners and PN needs USN as a partner, like it needs a hole in the pocket.

The USN is those waters doing what?? There is no piracy - there is smuggling but since ihen s that a job for USN? Is there no smuggling from the north and south of the US borders??

Carrot and Stick?

Doesn't Pakistan have a policy or PN not have a role for the security of PAkistan? what then is carrot and stick stuff -- all these actions and comments are aimed at a third party - which is preoccupied these days and that is just as well, because it is beginning to realize that has not the capablity to protect it's interests i places other than a single straits.

 

[Jliu]

"The PN is a natural partner of the USN as part of Thousand Ship Fleet strategy to secure open sea lanes in South Asia"


Whatever you are smoking, give it up. USN has no partners and PN needs USN as a partner, like it needs a hole in the pocket.

The USN is those waters doing what?? There is no piracy - there is smuggling but since ihen s that a job for USN? Is there no smuggling from the north and south of the US borders??

Carrot and Stick?

Doesn't Pakistan have a policy or PN not have a role for the security of PAkistan? what then is carrot and stick stuff -- all these actions and comments are aimed at a third party - which is preoccupied these days and that is just as well, because it is beginning to realize that has not the capablity to protect it's interests i places other than a single straits.

I would advise you to be more respectful in dealing with other members of this forum-especially if they much more informed than you are with respect to the Pakistani Navy and its taskings.

Piracy is alive and well in the 21st century-just Google the words "Somalia piracy" and see what it comes out.

The USN and PN have had a partnership in the Indian Ocean for almost five years now whether you like it or not. The PN has just assumed command of NATO TF150 off Somalia to combat the threat of piracy and ensure safe flow of shipping in those vital SLs. Even the USN cannot be everywhere which is exactly the point of the "Thousand Ship Navy" maritime strategy-work with local navies in keeping those sea lanes open.

Regards

 

[Comet]

but what is USN's interest?

 

[muse]

Jliu


Disrespect wa not my intention, and then you are free to feel whatever it is you choose to feel - my point was that PN's primary mission is protection of Pakistani interests and i don't think this includes Somali pirates - rather it's interests are much closer to home, especially Balouchistan, where under US patronage, a neighboring power is the inspirationa and funding for subversion and sabotage.

 

[Jliu]

but what is USN's interest?

Observe this wikipedia image of THE critical SLOC around the Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean, my own charts are too cumbersome to upload.

Image:China’s Critical Sea Lines of Communication.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This SLOC is not just the PRC's, it represents c. 80% of East Asian bound crude that will transit the strait of malacca. Notice how the southernmost arrow is uncomfortably close to Somalia and how it winds its way past Pakistan and around India. As I discussed with serving PN officers, in this interconnected globalised world the security of crude oil is paramount-as you are seeing currently the price of oil has a strong positive correlation with inflationary pressures which slow down economic growth worldwide-including the USA and Pakistan, whose economic growth slowed to 5.8% as of today with the price of crude playing quite a part.

I would be happy to have a conversation about the effect on the world economy but returning to maritime security the threat of piracy is acute as evidenced in the 2002 RPG attack on the French crude carrier Limburg that forced the creation of Task Force 150. Now just imagine in the current economic environment if pirates attacked another crude tanker-prices could hit $160 a barrel with a massive flow-on effect to economies worldwide. As the most globalised nation in the world heavily interconnected through trade flows with East Asia the US naturally has interests in this part of the world-as has Pakistan.

 

[Jliu]

Jliu


Disrespect wa not my intention, and then you are free to feel whatever it is you choose to feel - my point was that PN's primary mission is protection of Pakistani interests and i don't think this includes Somali pirates - rather it's interests are much closer to home, especially Balouchistan, where under US patronage, a neighboring power is the inspirationa and funding for subversion and sabotage.

The last part of your post is mere speculation. In other forums we would call it flaming unless you provide substantiated evidence that proves your point.