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US church to go ahead with Sept 11 Quran burning



GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA : A Christian minister vowed Tuesday to go ahead with plans to burn copies of the Quran to protest the Sept 11 terrorist attacks despite warnings from the White House and the top US general in Afghanistan that he would endanger American troops overseas.

Pastor Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center, which has about 50 members, said he understands the government's concerns but plans to go forward with the burning Saturday to mark the ninth anniversary of the attacks.

He left the door open to change his mind, saying he is still praying about his decision, which was condemned Tuesday by an interfaith coalition that met in Washington to respond to a spike in anti-Muslim bigotry.

Gen. David Petraeus warned in an e-mail to The Associated Press that "images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan - and around the world - to inflame public opinion and incite violence."

State department spokesman PJ Crowley echoed that, calling the plan to burn copies of the Quran "un-American" and saying it does not represent the views of most people in the US.

"While it may well be within someone's rights to take this action, we hope cooler heads will prevail," Crowley said.

Jones told the AP in a phone interview that he is also concerned but wonders how many times the US can back down.

"We think it's time to turn the tables, and instead of possibly blaming us for what could happen, we put the blame where it belongs - on the people who would do it," he said. "And maybe instead of addressing us, we should address radical Islam and send a very clear warning that they are not to retaliate in any form."

Jones, who runs the small, evangelical Christian church with an anti-Islam philosophy, says he has received more than 100 death threats and has started wearing a .40-caliber pistol strapped to his hip.

The threats started not long after the 58-year-old minister proclaimed in July that he would stage "International Burn a Quran Day." Supporters have been mailing copies of the Islamic holy text to his Dove World Outreach Center to be incinerated in a bonfire that evening.

The fire department has denied Jones a required burn permit for Saturday, but he says he is going ahead with his event. He said lawyers have told him his right to burn the Quran is protected by the US Constitution whether he's got permission from the city or not.

Muslims consider the Quran to be the word of God and insist it be treated with the utmost respect, along with any printed material containing its verses or the name of Allah or the Prophet Muhammad. Any intentional damage or show of disrespect to the Quran is deeply offensive.

The interfaith group of evangelical, Roman Catholic, Jewish, and Muslim leaders meeting in Washington condemned Jones' plan to burn the Quran as a violation of American values and the Bible. Among the participants was Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, retired Catholic archbishop of Washington, D.C.; Rabbi David Saperstein of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism; and top officials from the Islamic Society of North America, the group that organized the gathering.

"This is not the America that we all have grown to love and care about," said Rabbi Steve Gutow of the Jewish Council for Public Affairs. "We have to stand up for our Muslim brothers and sisters and say, "This is not OK."'

In this progressive north Florida town of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus, the lanky preacher with the bushy white mustache is mostly seen as a fringe character who doesn't deserve the attention he's getting.

Still, at least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in Gainesville have mobilized to plan inclusive events - some will read from the Quran at their own weekend services - to counter what Jones is doing. A student group is organizing a protest across the street from the church Saturday.

The Vatican newspaper on Tuesday published an article in which Catholic bishops, including Archbishop Lawrence John Saldanha of Lahore, Pakistan, criticized Jones' plan.

"No one burns the Quran," read the headline in Tuesday's L'Osservatore Romano.

Jones gained some local notoriety last year when he posted signs in front of his small church proclaiming "Islam is of the Devil." The church is independent of any denomination but follows the Pentecostal tradition, which teaches that the Holy Spirit can manifest itself in the modern day. Pentecostals often view themselves as engaged in spiritual warfare against satanic forces.

Jones' Quran-burning scheme, after it caught fire on the Internet, brought rebukes from Muslim nations and an avalanche of media interview requests just as an emotional debate was taking shape over the proposed Islamic center near the Ground Zero site in New York.

The Quran, according to Jones, is "evil" because it espouses something other than the Christian biblical truth and incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims.

"It's hard for people to believe, but we actually feel this is a message that we have been called to bring forth," he said last week. "And because of that, we do not feel like we can back down."

FBI agents have visited to talk about their concerns for Jones' safety, as multiple Facebook pages with thousands of members have popped up hailing him as either a hero or a dangerous pariah.

His plan has drawn formal condemnation from the world's pre-eminent Sunni Muslim institution of learning, Al-Azhar University in Egypt, whose Supreme Council accused the church of stirring up hate and discrimination and called on other American churches speak out against it. Last month, Indonesian Muslims demonstrated outside the US embassy in Jakarta, threatening violence if Jones goes through with it.




US church to go ahead with Sept 11 Quran burning - The Times of India
 
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Vatican denounces Quran burning as 'outrageous'


The Vatican today denounced as "outrageous and grave" plans by a Florida church to burn copies of the Quran on 9/11.

The Vatican's Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue said such violence "cannot be counteracted by an outrageous and grave gesture against a book considered sacred by a religious community," the Associated Press reports.


Pastor Terry Jones of the small, evangelical Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., has said he plans to go ahead with the Quran-burning, despite strong objections from Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, who says it could endanger U.S. troops.

"Each religious leader and believer is also called to renew the firm condemnation of all forms of violence, in particular those committed in the name of religion," the Vatican statement said.

The Fla. community is wary of Saturday's event.

Vatican denounces Quran burning as 'outrageous' -
 
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if we are to protest this in NY, we have to be careful about this.
No getting all hyped and wanting to kill them, no death threats plz!

That's exactly what they want you to do, a peaceful protest would be nice....prove them wrong about Islam :azn:
 
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There are lot of people who stood against this in USA. Even large number of Jewish community also vote aginst this. I really respect those people who care about other religion.
Hmm, it's strange for Americans to take a stand on such matters. Legally, people can do what they want with the books they own. Therefore, to take a stand, pro- or con- on this matter doesn't indicate respect for Islam as much as it does fear or anticipation of what revenge some Muslims may commit in response.
 
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These american morons are on full fledge propoganda drive to attach terrorism and 9/11 with islam and turn it into a cult. Shall we burn torah for crimes of israel committed against Palestineans?? All these motives enforce the belief that 9/11 was a conspiracy done with ulterior motives and long term strategic goals of encircling muslims an depriving them of their identity.

Why aren't so called "muslim terrorist" striking there rather than blowing randon innocent civilians in Pakistan cities??

Simple answer which strikes to my mind is there are no Islamic or Muslim terrorist..the TTP and taliban thugs are on CIA payroll to brain wash its youth into sucide and destroy Pakistan.
 
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Religious issues aside it is not strategically in the interest of US to let it happen.
Any such attempt will back fire on US efforts of winning hearts and minds of people in larger Muslim world.
US fall into this grave trap by getting habitual in dealing with corrupt leaders of Pakistan and Afghanistan who are ever ready to do any thing for money.
They completely ignored the people on ground.
 
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dude i hope you do understand that nobody cares about US feeling and if US needs to win hearts and minds of Muslim that would be only possible by not supporting the corrupt leaders imposed Muslim countries ruling with blessings of Uncle Sam. America has no intent to win any kind of hearts and minds..it have one and only one motive of looting national wealth.
 
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dude i hope you do understand that nobody cares about US feeling and if US needs to win hearts and minds of Muslim that would be only possible by not supporting the corrupt leaders imposed Muslim countries ruling with blessings of Uncle Sam.
Rarely do Muslim leaders receive a blessing from the U.S. Rather, America usually acquiesces to the status quo rather than overthrow a government. Still, that's better than other Western states, which NEVER lift a finger on their own to choose a people over an oppressive government.

In other words, America is the best available hope, is that not so?

America has no intent to win any kind of hearts and minds..it have one and only one motive of looting national wealth.
It's been decades since American policymakers thought that way. Consider Iraq. Iraqis awarded much of the post-invasion oil contracts to non-American firms. If Iraq's wealth is looted once more it will happen at the behest of Iraqis and their foreign partners, not Americans.
 
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U.S. officials, religious leaders condemn plans to burn Korans on 9/11
By Tara Bahrampour and Michelle Boorstein
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, September 8, 2010; 11:12 AM


The plan by a tiny Florida church to burn Korans on Sept. 11 is drawing condemnation from top U.S. officials and religious leaders, including the White House, the State Department and Gen. David H. Petraeus, who warned Tuesday that it could endanger U.S. troops in the Muslim world.

At the Dove World Outreach Center, a 50-member evangelical Christian church in Gainesville, the Rev. Terry Jones told CNN on Tuesday that he is "taking the general's words very serious" and that "we are definitely praying about it," leaving open the possibility that the event could be canceled. But he also said the plan is firm and is meant as "a warning to radical Islam" that "if you attack us, we will attack you."

The 58-year-old pastor told the Associated Press that he has received more than 100 death threats and has started wearing a pistol strapped to his hip.

The planned burning of the holy book of Islam comes at a time of rising expression of anti-Muslim sentiment nationwide, and many fear that it will harm U.S. relations with the Muslim world as NATO troop levels increase in Afghanistan.

Already, repercussions have begun. On Monday in Kabul, protesters burned Jones in effigy and chanted [COLOR="blue[B]"]"Death to America" and "Death to Obama."[/B][/COLOR]

In Washington, two dozen Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders from across the country gathered Tuesday for an Emergency Faith Leaders Summit on anti-Muslim sentiment.

In an op-ed piece published Wednesday in the New York Times, Feisal Abdul Rauf, a Muslim prayer leader in Lower Manhattan and chairman of a project to build an Islamic community center near the "Ground Zero" site of the destroyed World Trade Center, called on Americans to set an example of religious tolerance as they mark the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"Let us commemorate the anniversary of 9/11 by pausing to reflect and meditate and tone down the vitriol and rhetoric that serves only to strengthen the radicals and weaken our friends' belief in our values," Abdul Rauf wrote. He did not mention the controversy over the planned Koran burning in Florida but said his group would go ahead with the Lower Manhattan community center as part of its mission to "strengthen relations between the Western and Muslim worlds" and help counter radical Islamist ideology.

In a news conference Tuesday on the plan to burn Korans, Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, the archbishop emeritus of Washington, said, "Religious leaders cannot stand by in silence when things like this are happening." Burning the Koran, he warned, could be "taken by some as the real story of America, and it is not."

Actions and hate speech against Muslims "bring dishonor to the name of Jesus Christ," said the Rev. Richard Cizik, president of the New Evangelical Partnership for the Common Good and a former lobbyist for the National Association of Evangelicals.

Said the Rev. Gerald Durley, pastor at Providence Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta: "From a Christian perspective, this is not what we stand for. This is a fringe group of individuals."

The circle of condemnation widened Tuesday to include White House spokesman Robert Gibbs; Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton; her spokesman P.J. Crowley, who called the planned burning "un-American"; and Petraeus, who compared the action to the behavior of the Taliban and said it could undermine U.S. efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Even the rumor that it might take place has sparked demonstrations such as the one that took place in Kabul" on Monday, said Petraeus, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan. "Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy, and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult."

Clinton added her disapproval at a dinner Tuesday evening in observance of Iftar, the breaking of the daily fast during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

"I am heartened by the clear, unequivocal condemnation of this disrespectful, disgraceful act that has come from American religious leaders of all faiths," she said.

Ingrid Mattson, president of the Islamic Society of North America, said the faith leaders' meeting was set up two weeks ago, "when it started to become clear to us that things were getting out of control." Although the recent controversy has been "whipped up by a few people," she said, "I don't think it's going to go away quickly."

More than 9,000 people have joined a Facebook page called International Burn a Koran Day, which includes support for and criticism of the action.

Religious leaders and Muslim organizations met with Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Tuesday to urge him to speak out against recent anti-Muslim incidents, such as the stabbing of a Muslim cab driver in New York, and to prosecute some suspects on a federal level.

Matthew Miller, a spokesman for the Justice Department, said that Holder "reiterated the department's strong commitment to prosecuting hate crimes."

Ferhana Khera, executive director of Muslim Advocates, a national legal advocacy organization, said such actions are necessary to counteract a growing feeling of unease among Muslims in the United States.

"There is an increasing sense of fear and anxiety, even more than after 9/11," she said, adding that hostility that seemed to stay below the surface in recent years now "seems to have gone mainstream."

Gainesville, a city of 100,000, is bracing for a media onslaught this weekend because of the planned burning. Last year, when the Dove church posted a sign saying that "Islam is of the devil," faith leaders there largely ignored Jones and his small congregation.

This year, interfaith gatherings are planned for Wednesday and Friday at Holy Trinity Episcopal Church, and some religious communities will read from the Jewish, Islamic and Christian scriptures on Saturday and Sunday.

Ramzy Kilic, regional director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Tampa, said that he will participate in the interfaith events but that he thinks the best approach is to ignore Jones. "He just wants to provoke the Muslim community," he said. "Why give him attention? No one pays attention to the drunkard walking down the street."

Kilic said that although he appreciates the interfaith efforts, he wants to see more widespread condemnation of the planned event. "Let's say this was a Muslim burning a copy of the Bible - the country would be turned inside out," he said.

A request by Dove for an unspecific bonfire permit was denied because it went against city code, said Deputy Chief Tim Hayes of Gainesville Fire Rescue.

The outcry over the planned burning is similar to the Muhammad cartoon scandal that led to international protests in 2006, but there are some important differences, Muslim leaders said.

At that time, Khera said, "you had even Danish public officials who were defending the cartoonist. Here, I haven't seen any public official . . . come out in support of the Koran burning."

Correspondent David Nakamura and special correspondent Javed Hamdard, both in Kabul, contributed to this report.
 
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