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China is struggling to draw a clear road map to achieve self-sufficiency in semiconductorproduction, as reliance on foreign chip-making equipment remains a weak link that could further disadvantage the domestic industry amid Washington’s plans to tighten export controls, according to industry insiders.


One major challenge for China is home-made equipment, which is technologically far behind imported equipment, according to Jin Cunzhong, deputy secretary general at China Electronic Production Equipment Industry Association (CEPEA), the industry body representing more than 180 Chinese chip equipment makers.


“Key equipment for semiconductor manufacturing is still reliant on foreign imports,” Jin said in slides presented at a forum in Chongqing on Wednesday. “China-made lithography equipment has not entered wafer mass production lines.”

China-made equipment such as those for chemical vapour deposition and ion implantation still have a large quality gap compared with those from foreign competitors, Jin said. In 2020, the combined market share of equipment from 56 Chinese companies was just 17 per cent in the country, unchanged from 2019, despite Beijing’s efforts to reduce reliance on imported gear.


Jin’s comments reflect China’s disadvantages in the ongoing US-China tech rivalry, scuppering optimism that China could quickly switch to domestic suppliers if access to foreign equipment were further restricted.


The administration of US President Joe Biden is considering imposing tougher sanctions on Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp (SMIC), China’s top chip maker, with the National Security Council to hold a meeting about possible new restrictions on Thursday, Bloomberg News reported on Wednesday.

If implemented, it could make it more difficult for China to secure much-needed equipment for its chip plants, even undermining SMIC’s plans to expand production of mature-node chips. SMIC is currently building three new plants focusing on the 28-nm node process and larger in Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen. Its co-CEO Zhao Haijun has warned of possible delays in US approvals of export licences to the company’s equipment suppliers.

There are growing signs that Washington is willing to take a tougher stance on mainstream technologies. The US agency responsible for screening foreign investment deals recently blocked China’s Wise Road Capital from a US$1.4 billion takeover of a South Korean chip maker.


Under former president Donald Trump, the US put Huawei Technologies Co and SMIC on its Entity List in May 2019 and December 2020, respectively, barring the companies from doing business with American firms. The restrictions have not been relaxed since Biden took office. On November 25, the US commerce department also blacklisted a semiconductor subsidiary of H3C Technologies, along with 11 other Chinese entities.


The Chinese government has made it clear that the country must achieve “autonomous and controllable” technologies in the semiconductor industry and overcome supply chain choke points, but it has struggled to achieve results. Efforts over the last decade to help Shanghai Micro Electronics Equipment Group develop an advanced lithography machine have made little progress.

“It’s a consensus that we must achieve autonomous and controllable technologies,” Gu Wenjun, chief analyst at Shanghai-based semiconductor research firm ICwise, wrote on Weibo, a microblogging platform. “But there’s huge disagreement over how China can achieve autonomous and controllable technologies.”


At the same time, CEPEA’s Jin said China’s domestic semiconductor equipment makers could still benefit from growing demand at home.


NAURA Technology Group, a state-backed equipment maker, sold 2.7 billion yuan (US$424 million) worth of equipment in the first half of 2021, an increase of 59 per cent year on year. However, Shanghai Micro Electronics Equipment saw sales drop by 0.2 per cent to 702 million yuan in the same period.

https://amp.scmp.com/tech/tech-war/...onductor-troubles-cloud-beijings-efforts-self
 
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China is struggling to draw a clear road map to achieve self-sufficiency in semiconductorproduction, as reliance on foreign chip-making equipment remains a weak link that could further disadvantage the domestic industry amid Washington’s plans to tighten export controls, according to industry insiders.


One major challenge for China is home-made equipment, which is technologically far behind imported equipment, according to Jin Cunzhong, deputy secretary general at China Electronic Production Equipment Industry Association (CEPEA), the industry body representing more than 180 Chinese chip equipment makers.


“Key equipment for semiconductor manufacturing is still reliant on foreign imports,” Jin said in slides presented at a forum in Chongqing on Wednesday. “China-made lithography equipment has not entered wafer mass production lines.”

China-made equipment such as those for chemical vapour deposition and ion implantation still have a large quality gap compared with those from foreign competitors, Jin said. In 2020, the combined market share of equipment from 56 Chinese companies was just 17 per cent in the country, unchanged from 2019, despite Beijing’s efforts to reduce reliance on imported gear.


Jin’s comments reflect China’s disadvantages in the ongoing US-China tech rivalry, scuppering optimism that China could quickly switch to domestic suppliers if access to foreign equipment were further restricted.


The administration of US President Joe Biden is considering imposing tougher sanctions on Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp (SMIC), China’s top chip maker, with the National Security Council to hold a meeting about possible new restrictions on Thursday, Bloomberg News reported on Wednesday.

If implemented, it could make it more difficult for China to secure much-needed equipment for its chip plants, even undermining SMIC’s plans to expand production of mature-node chips. SMIC is currently building three new plants focusing on the 28-nm node process and larger in Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen. Its co-CEO Zhao Haijun has warned of possible delays in US approvals of export licences to the company’s equipment suppliers.

There are growing signs that Washington is willing to take a tougher stance on mainstream technologies. The US agency responsible for screening foreign investment deals recently blocked China’s Wise Road Capital from a US$1.4 billion takeover of a South Korean chip maker.


Under former president Donald Trump, the US put Huawei Technologies Co and SMIC on its Entity List in May 2019 and December 2020, respectively, barring the companies from doing business with American firms. The restrictions have not been relaxed since Biden took office. On November 25, the US commerce department also blacklisted a semiconductor subsidiary of H3C Technologies, along with 11 other Chinese entities.


The Chinese government has made it clear that the country must achieve “autonomous and controllable” technologies in the semiconductor industry and overcome supply chain choke points, but it has struggled to achieve results. Efforts over the last decade to help Shanghai Micro Electronics Equipment Group develop an advanced lithography machine have made little progress.

“It’s a consensus that we must achieve autonomous and controllable technologies,” Gu Wenjun, chief analyst at Shanghai-based semiconductor research firm ICwise, wrote on Weibo, a microblogging platform. “But there’s huge disagreement over how China can achieve autonomous and controllable technologies.”


At the same time, CEPEA’s Jin said China’s domestic semiconductor equipment makers could still benefit from growing demand at home.


NAURA Technology Group, a state-backed equipment maker, sold 2.7 billion yuan (US$424 million) worth of equipment in the first half of 2021, an increase of 59 per cent year on year. However, Shanghai Micro Electronics Equipment saw sales drop by 0.2 per cent to 702 million yuan in the same period.

https://amp.scmp.com/tech/tech-war/...onductor-troubles-cloud-beijings-efforts-self


As I’ve said, it’s impossible to develop the most advanced chips without US technology and know how.
 
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This sort of sanctions will not end. US just sanctioned several pharmaceutical companies (target: of course China) because Americans love to overdose. This is like a b**** vandalizing and burning down the restaurants around the corner because her husband couldn't stop eating in these restaurants.
 
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As I’ve said, it’s impossible to develop the most advanced chips without US technology and know how.

A lot of horse shit and hell stinking here. The most advanced chip making process EUV and the less advanced one DUV were developed and made by a company in Netherlands. The US chip equipment makers, including Applied Materials, play their parts somewhere but not non-replaceable. What the US has is bulk bullying power from its military might and from being part of a global tech equipment supply chain. If being part of the global supply chain alone gives the American government power to sanction others, China could do the same by choking off the rare earth supply. What China and the rest of the world are scared of is the American willingness to start a war and destroy communities anywhere, anytime.
 
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A lot of horse shit and hell stinking here. The most advanced chip making process EUV and the less advanced one DUV were developed and made by a company in Netherlands. The US chip equipment makers, including Applied Materials, play their parts somewhere but not non-replaceable. What the US has is bulk bullying power from its military might and from being part of a global tech equipment supply chain. If being part of the global supply chain alone gives the American government power to sanction others, China could do the same by choking off the rare earth supply. What China and the rest of the world are scared of is the American willingness to start a war and destroy communities anywhere, anytime.


ASML could not have advanced without the technology of Cymer based out of California.

The fact remains, it’s impossible to develop the most advanced chips in the world without American technology.
 
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As I’ve said, it’s impossible to develop the most advanced chips without US technology and know how.
Lol and yet Intel home grown foundry has no solution to 7nm and below and will need to depend on Samsung and TSMC.

If TSMC threaten to cut off Apple and Qualcomm, US tech giant is doomed too. You expect Apple to ask Samsung to fabricate 3-5nm chip for rival?
 
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It's this arrogance and white supremacy that the rest of the world despises.


The brutal truth is that the US and Western Europe has created modern civilization from science to tech to medicine.

It’s why the US and Western Europe have won so many Nobel Prizes in the Sciences and control the modern tech world.
 
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The brutal truth is that the US and Western Europe has created modern civilization from science to tech to medicine.

It’s why the US and Western Europe have won so many Nobel Prizes in the Sciences and control the modern tech world.
Sorry, you are Indian, not part of the white or western.

Nobel prize award are precisely western control which manipulate the receiver for their own liking. Why China has never been awarded any prize for economy instead of a bogus indian who got it for a journal publish?


Just becos somebody created science and technology , doesn't mean they will continue to reign forever. Same like civilization will come and go. Western times are almost over. The new one will takeover soon. :enjoy:
 
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China did an unforgivable crime in the eyes of the West... doing well for itself without being subservient ( like Japan Or SK.
While previously they fooled the world with subtlety ( democracy, HR), as China rises relentlessly they are forced to become more and more blatant in desperation,exposing themselves of their true intentions.
Eg was their banning of Huawei on
" security " grounds. When it didn't work as they expected, they piled on one Chinese company after another till now everyone and their granma knows they just want to stop China somehow, anyhow.
Except for the burst of science and technology, Western civilization is the most destructive and evil in recorded history. Every right thinking person on the earth ( including Westerners) should welcome any force that will moderate this evil influence.
That's why, even though my country is not a friend of China I wish them success. And succeed they will, they have all the trappings of a relatively benign , powerful and mature civilization. CCP is just a badge, tomorrow if they change tags they will do just as well.
 
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This article is completely inaccurate.

In fact, China’s semiconductor sector has advanced so fast in such a short period of time that the US now needs to increase sanctions to the maximum as the previous sanctions chains have been broken by China.

China now has the full semiconductor industrial chain for the 28nm node. In 2022, the 14nm and 7nm will be completed. SMEE immersion DUV lithography has been delivered to clients. It can fab from 28nm down to 7nm with multi pattern.

Semiconductor sanctions on China will go down as the single greatest strategic mistake for the empire of lies.

Only greater strategic mistake for the empire of lies will be cutting China off from the dollar clearing system or fighting the PLA over Taiwan.
 
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This article is completely inaccurate.

In fact, China’s semiconductor sector has advanced so fast in such a short period of time that the US now needs to increase sanctions to the maximum as the previous sanctions chains have been broken by China.

China now has the full semiconductor industrial chain for the 28nm node. In 2022, the 14nm and 7nm will be completed. SMEE immersion DUV lithography has been delivered to clients. It can fab from 28nm down to 7nm with multi pattern.

Semiconductor sanctions on China will go down as the single greatest strategic mistake for the empire of lies.

Only greater strategic mistake for the empire of lies will be cutting China off from the dollar clearing system or fighting the PLA over Taiwan.


China is a decade behind in semiconductor technology, and in the world of semiconductors that might as well be 50 years.
 
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China is a decade behind in semiconductor technology, and in the world of semiconductors that might as well be 50 years.

90% of the market is in 7nm and older nodes. China can produce up to 7nm with the SMEE immersion DUV lithography. With an improved light source, the next immersion DUV lithography will be able to fab up to 5nm. That is good enough to cover pretty much 95% of the market.

That is all without requiring the EUV.

You severely underestimate China’s semiconductor capabilities.
 
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China is a decade behind in semiconductor technology, and in the world of semiconductors that might as well be 50 years.
Lol, another sell delusion. Next gen will be carbon based chips and currently China is leading the research.

Just like China space station will be the only space station left in 2025. :enjoy:
 
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