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Aug 11, 2015, TOI

NEW DELHI: India's official dream of getting a permanent seat in the UN Security Council was dealt a decisive blow with the US teaming up with China and Russia to oppose negotiations for changes in the body.

After a long and laborious process of discussions, countries have finally come out with a framework text which could be the basis of negotiations to reform the Security Council — not only to admit more countries as permanent members, but also to make its working more transparent. The text was the result of inter-governmental negotiations (IGN) and was introduced in the UN General Assembly by its president Sam Kutesa on August 1.

The text, which may continue to be debated, however, has a short effective life after three biggies —US, China and Russia — came out against it, making any negotiations little more than an academic exercise.

The US stand was a blow largely because its has been what New Delhi believed the most recent and important voice supporting India's permanent UNSC membership. In a letter, the US said, "The IGN is the most appropriate forum for these discussions. It is critical that any reform proposal enjoy broad consensus among member states." Sources said it's just diplomatese for pushing the can down the road.

Indian officials say the IGN was really not going anywhere, but it has become the flavour of the season with all the nay-sayers like US, Russia and China. Washington is willing to consider specific countries for entry into the UNSC but only after they have proved their credentials in their "ability and willingness to contribute to the maintenance of international peace and security and to other purposes of the United Nations". But it will not agree to "any alteration or expansion of the veto".

Russia, India's oldest supporter for the UNSC seat, also supported the inter-governmental negotiations, rejecting the text-based one. "The intergovernmental negotiations on the UN Security Council reform should proceed in a calm, transparent and inclusive atmosphere free from artificial deadlines. If a consensus on this issue is not possible to achieve, then in any case it will be politically necessary to secure the support by the overwhelming majority of the member-states — a substantially greater number than the legally required two thirds of votes at the General Assembly," it said. That, say diplomats, will be almost impossible to achieve.

China has remained a steadfast opponent to the process of UNSC reform, and has been the unofficial sponsor of the 13-nation group UfC. So China's opposition to the negotiations is not a surprise. Beijing has used its considerable clout in Africa, Asia and Latin America to build opinion against the text process.
 
I don't understand why some Indian members were serious about a UNSC seat. This is an elitist club and there will never be room for anyone else, be it Brazil, India, Germany, Japan, Mongolia, Sweden and so on.
 
I don't understand why some Indian members were serious about a UNSC seat. This is an elitist club and there will never be room for anyone else, be it Brazil, India, Germany, Japan, Mongolia, Sweden and so on.

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Apparently China has been "supporting India's UNSC bid" since 2008. :P (And they really believe it too :woot:).
 
It is the China that is the problem for India's UNSC seat and not US and Russia. But by not having India, UNSC cannot be democratic or legal...you just cannot leave 20% of world population out and claim to represent the world.
 
It is the China that is the problem for India's UNSC seat and not US and Russia. But by not having India, UNSC cannot be democratic or legal...you just cannot leave 20% of world population out and claim to represent the world.

How do you honestly know that? Nations say one thing and do something else. If they were serious they would have made some sort of statement rather than candidly letting things go.
 
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I don't understand why some Indian members were serious about a UNSC seat. This is an elitist club and there will never be room for anyone else, be it Brazil, India, Germany, Japan, Mongolia, Sweden and so on.

Because we believe that India that represent 20% world's population deserves a seat there.

We gave up our seat to China because of Nehru so this time we will get the seat if not today than tomorrow.
 
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Apparently China has been "supporting India's UNSC bid" since 2008. :P (And they really believe it too :woot:).

The P5 collectively support no one's claim and never will do. It's the way of the world. If some people want to hang onto dreams, let them be.
 
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Because we believe that India that represent 20% world's population deserves a seat there.

We gave up our seat to China because of Nehru so this time we will get the seat if not today than tomorrow.

Look my friend, it doesn't matter what yourself or the Indian people think. What matters is what the P5 think collectively. They just don't want to know.
 
1.31 billion to be precise. So check your facts before you post.
You don't get UNSC seat by culture talks and people occupying high positions in big companies.

Russia took over Crimea by military force.
 
How do you honestly know that? Nations say one thing and so something else. If they were serious they would have made some sort of statement rather than candidly letting things go.

There is no reason for other countries to deny a seat in UNSC, but China has. China sees India as its rival.

But I guess a lot depend on how India evolve economically for the other countries to take India's aspiration seriously. It will be hard to deny a seat to India that is economically a superpower.
 
There is no reason for other countries to deny a seat in UNSC, but China has. China sees India as its rival.

But I guess a lot depend on how India evolve economically for the other countries to take India's aspiration seriously. It will be hard to deny a seat to India that is economically a superpower.

There are countries like Germany, Japan etc which are economically quite well placed, but don't have a permanent seat in UNSC.
I think it is a valid question to be asked to these permanent members, as to what are the criteria as per them to be added to this group? Economic indicators? Population?Military? Any other tangible factors?
 
You don't get UNSC seat by culture talks and people occupying high positions in big companies.

Russia tookover Crimea by military force.

Nobody could do anything to Russia not because it is in P5, but it is militarily powerful for someone take on with out getting damaged in the process.

Even if India takes over Maldives, no one can take on India except make some noise. May be some sanctions.
 

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