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US and India discuss anti-submarine warfare in latest move to keep China in check


India and the United States are in talks to help each other track submarines in the Indian Ocean, military officials say, a move that could further tighten defence ties between New Delhi and Washington as China steps up its undersea activities.

Both the US and India are growing concerned at the reach and ambition of the Chinese navy, which is taking an increasingly assertive stance in the South China Sea and is challenging India’s domination in the Indian Ocean.

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New Delhi, shedding its decades-old reluctance to be drawn into America’s embrace, agreed last month to open up its military bases to the US in exchange for access to weapons technology to help it narrow the gap with China.

The two sides also said their navies will hold talks on anti submarine warfare (ASW), an area of sensitive military technology and closely held tactics that only allies share.

“These types of basic engagements will be the building blocks for an enduring navy-to-navy relationship that we hope will grow over time into a shared ASW capability,” one US official familiar with India-US military cooperation said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

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Indian naval officials say Chinese submarines have been sighted on an average four times every three months. Some are seen near India’s Andamans and Nicobar islands that lie near the Malacca Straits, the entry to the South China Sea through which more than 80 per cent of China’s fuel supplies pass.

India and the US, which already conduct joint naval exercises, both fly the new version of the P-8 aircraft, making information sharing easier on highly sensitive submarine tracking activities.

The P-8 is Washington’s most advanced submarine hunting weapon, equipped with sensors that can track and identify submarines by sonar and other means.

An Indian naval spokesman declined to comment on the proposed anti-submarine warfare cooperation with the US.

But an Indian naval source, briefed on the discussions, said the focus of the next set of joint exercises to take place in the northern Philippine Sea in June will be on anti-submarine warfare.

Japan, a close US ally whose submarines are believed to track Chinese submarines in the western Pacific, will also be a participant in the exercises.

Two linked factors are driving the co-operation, say regional military attaches and security experts.

The prospect of active patrols by nuclear-armed Chinese submarines has sparked intense surveillance activity around the China’s southern submarine base on Hainan Island, and nearby waters.

India, meanwhile, is preparing to launch its first locally built submarine armed with nuclear tipped missiles.

So just as US attack submarines are seeking to track the Chinese nuclear armed submarines in the Pacific, the Chinese are expected to send their own attack submarines to the Indian Ocean in greater numbers to scrutinize the Indian patrols.

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Collin Koh, a submarine expert at Singapore’s S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, said increased U.S. submarine and surveillance activity was being seen across the region.

“We will see the Indian Ocean grow in importance, too, particularly around traditional chokeholds, such as the approaches to the Malacca Straits and the Nicobar islands, so an improved US relationship with the major submarine player in the area, India, is very significant,” Koh said.

Initially, the US as the world leader in anti-submarine warfare is likely to be bolstering Indian capabilities in the field.

But in time, experts say each country could be covering stretches of the Indian Ocean through which two thirds of the world’s trade moves.

David Brewster, an expert on the strategic rivalry in Indian Ocean at the Australian National University, said anti submarine warfare collaboration may eventually include Australia, another US ally which just ordered 12 new submarines.

“We are likely to ultimately see a division of responsibilities in the Indian Ocean between those three countries, and with the potential to also share facilities.”

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China for its part is seeking to secure its energy and trade transportation links by building ports and other infrastructure for countries such as Sri Lanka that lie along the vital shipping route.

Asked about collaboration between India and the US on submarine warfare, Hua Chunying, a spokeswoman for China’s Foreign Ministry, said China had noted countries in the region engaging in military cooperation.

“We hope that the relevant cooperation is normal, and that it can be meaningful to the peace and stability of the region,” she said.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/south...scuss-anti-submarine-warfare-latest-move-keep

 
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Maybe China and Pakistan are interesting on similar deal to keep Indian ocean safe from XX country, and with the cooperation with Iran :D




I think Pakistan and China should formalize a " Defence Pact " and get ready to face the hostile forces. As the US and India take advantage of the " Choke Point " at the Malacca Straits, the importance of Gwadar Port takes a new meaning....
 
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does this Plan include the mapping and tracing technology used by US to detect chinese submarines??o_O
 
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Yes Jong ming Yong ping pong tin boxes against ohio class Virginia Class scorpene class Arihant class Akula class babies

Forgot to tell you Chinese Casino class versus Vikramaditya class Vikrant class Nimitz class and Ford class

So you know which class winning
U made me laugh so hard!
 
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What an idiotic notion. Chinese navy is roaming around in international waters, let alone the fact that there is no war going on, they don't pose any threat to any country. What will tracking Chinese submarines accomplish?
 
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The result of India China war of 1962, US dreamed how to to inter in India?


Yes,we lost in 1962.Its doesn't matter if Indian army had vintage .303 against Chinese SKS or AK variant or without proper winter clothing.A defeat is a defeat.

And what's the role of US ? sure they supplied transport aircrafts etc but it didn't change the outcome of the war just like 1965 and 1971 despite their active role as a supplier.


On topic - Los Angles class Sub in Bay of Bengal during ex Malabar with Indian Navy

Akula 2 must be nearby.

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I think Pakistan and China should formalize a " Defence Pact " and get ready to face the hostile forces. As the US and India take advantage of the " Choke Point " at the Malacca Straits, the importance of Gwadar Port takes a new meaning....
There could be nothing better for us then this news
The one ally that India has which means anything is Russia, the US and its ally status is not permanent in any way or form. This news means that Russia will think twice before sharing any technology and will have to cosy up to China. The strait will lose its value as Russia and China grow closer and Gwadar port starts fully functioning.
As for P-8s they are few in number compared to the vast sea and even if submarines are detected they would not be engaged but followed.
 
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P8 are lethal sub hunters but this chess move will ensure all Chinese activities in our ocean will be tracked

There could be nothing better for us then this news
The one ally that India has which means anything is Russia, the US and its ally status is not permanent in any way or form. This news means that Russia will think twice before sharing any technology and will have to cosy up to China. The strait will lose its value as Russia and China grow closer and Gwadar port starts fully functioning.
As for P-8s they are few in number compared to the vast sea and even if submarines are detected they would not be engaged but followed.

Wishful thinking? We just signed strategic oil deals with Russia giving us a footprint in their 2nd biggest reserve
 
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Yes Jong ming Yong ping pong tin boxes against ohio class Virginia Class scorpene class Arihant class Akula class babies

Forgot to tell you Chinese Casino class versus Vikramaditya class Vikrant class Nimitz class and Ford class

So you know which class winning

When they actually had tin-boxes in '62, they still kicked your a$$. This time they'll kick your a$$ so hard, they'll break the space-time continuum and send you back to vedic times.
 
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There could be nothing better for us then this news
The one ally that India has which means anything is Russia, the US and its ally status is not permanent in any way or form. This news means that Russia will think twice before sharing any technology and will have to cosy up to China. The strait will lose its value as Russia and China grow closer and Gwadar port starts fully functioning.
As for P-8s they are few in number compared to the vast sea and even if submarines are detected they would not be engaged but followed.

India - Russia relationship is different than India US relationship

Russia is AWARE that India US relationship is against China

Russia has no problems with India's growing relationship with China

We have made it very CLEAR to the US that we will NOT support them against Russia
 
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Yes,we lost in 1962.Its doesn't matter if Indian army had vintage .303 against Chinese SKS or AK variant or without proper winter clothing.A defeat is a defeat.

And what's the role of US ? sure they supplied transport aircrafts etc but it didn't change the outcome of the war just like 1965 and 1971 despite their active role as a supplier.


On topic - Los Angles class Sub in Bay of Bengal during ex Malabar with Indian Navy

Akula 2 must be nearby.

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Akulas will never go near to us vessels,thats sure.
 
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