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KABUL, Afghanistan -- Pakistani military units fired shots at American and Afghan government troops along the Afghanistan border several times over the past year, in encounters the United States has downplayed but that illustrate the fraying relations between the countries, according to officials.

On Wednesday, Afghanistan's foreign ministry issued an angry warning to Pakistan after claiming that about 300 rockets had been launched across the Pakistani border into the Nuristan and Kunar provinces of Afghanistan, killing an unspecified number of civilians.

Pakistan responded that its government was targeting insurgents belonging to Tehreek-e-Taliban, a designated terrorist group, not Afghan civilians.

But last week's cross-border fire was far from an isolated incident.

Last month, U.S. Apache helicopter crews were fired upon by Pakistan, and they returned fire, wounding at least two Pakistani soldiers, International Security Assistance Force officials said. The American aircraft were in Afghan airspace, according to an ISAF spokesman. Pakistan accused the helicopter crews of crossing the border.

That encounter was reported by ISAF, but many others are not, U.S. and Afghan officials told The Washington Examiner.

"We're not allowed to return fire to coordinates inside the Pakistan border," a military official told The Examiner on the condition he not be named. "We know it's the Pakistani military in many cases. Pakistan has been instigating, aiding Haqqani, and has been purposefully working to turn back any gains ISAF has made in the region."

Another U.S. official said, "This has been going on for some time, but because it's so sensitive it has been kept relatively quiet."

"The situation is very fluid," said one Afghan official. "They have been firing across the border. The incidents have been increasing and [Afghan] forces fire back in response."

Tension between the U.S. and Pakistan has recently reached levels not seen since the countries were thrown into the common cause of defeating al Qaeda and the Taliban after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Earlier this month, Adm. Mike Mullen, the just-retired chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, accused the Haqqani family network of being a "veritable arm" of Pakistan's military and intelligence service.

Support for active U.S. military operations against the Haqqani organization inside Pakistan has been growing in U.S. military and political circles, according to numerous reports.

Afghan forces dealt a blow to the Haqqani family late last week by capturing Haji Mali Khan, uncle of network leaders Siraj and Badruddin Haqqani and a senior Haqqani commander in Afghanistan. He was apprehended after he traveled from a stronghold in Pakistan into Afghanistan, officials said.

But that is, at best, a morale-building strike against the Haqqani network, which is estimated to control as many as 15,000 fighters.

It has been a tough year for U.S.-Pakistani relations. Pakistan arrested CIA contractor Raymond Davis in January after a deadly shooting that he said was in self-defense during a robbery; the case festered until Davis was released in mid-March. Then the U.S. mounted an elaborate mission to kill Osama bin Laden deep inside Pakistan without telling that country's leaders.

Bruce Riedel, a former CIA officer and senior adviser to three U.S. presidents, said that Pakistan believes the U.S. is ready to call it quits in Afghanistan, and Pakistan is trying to "push us out faster."

Pakistan has increased the use of its Afghan proxies to carry out terror operations in an effort to exhaust U.S. and European patience at home, knowing that President Obama has called for U.S. forces to withdraw by 2014. Pakistani military leaders believe "they can weather the blowback from Washington" because the U.S. needs Pakistan's logistical supply lines stretching from Karachi to Kabul, Riedel said.

At the same time, he said, Pakistan is preparing to replace the billions of dollars of critical military aid it has been receiving from the U.S. by courting China and soliciting help from Islamic ally Saudi Arabia.

scarter@washingtonexaminer.com

Sara A. Carter is The Washington Examiner's national security correspondent. She can be reached at scarter@washingtonexaminer.com.
 
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What you expect from a countries whose civilians, armed forces always get targeted from US Troops and their Secret agencies.

But this is all on purpose to release this news at this point of time.
 
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well done.

this is the weak retaliation of Pakistan voice. and the courtesy should be done from the first time they flied drones against us.
 
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nah few million and we are all back again. You lick me I lick U kind a thing. with this government nothing going to happen.
 
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What!! How about the attacks of NATO on Pakistani personnels? Do you guys remember NATO fired rockets on Pakistan Army inside Pakistan territory? There are numerous examples of incursions of Pak boarder by by NATO, apart from Afghan Taliban attacks in Pakistan.

I am sick of this attitude now. Grow up west, you almost lost war in Afghanistan.
 
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To reiterate the Pakistani position, these forces and helicopters were fired upon because Pakistan believed them to be:

1. Violating Pakistani airspace/territory
2. Terrorists/insurgents

And ISAF targets people they believe to be entering Afghanistan and promoting violence, or are terrorists/insurgents. Doesn't seem to be much difference, does there?
 
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and why dig up a thread Chogy?
 
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And ISAF targets people they believe to be entering Afghanistan and promoting violence, or are terrorists/insurgents. Doesn't seem to be much difference, does there?
Pakistan has issues with 'ISAF targeting' when it occurs on the Pakistani side of the border, especially when that targetting involves established military/para-military posts, whose locations are communicated to ISAF.

It would appear that ISAF/Afghan forces were fired upon when perceived to be on the Pakistani side of the border in the events referred to in this thread.
 
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Pakistan has issues with 'ISAF targeting' when it occurs on the Pakistani side of the border, especially when that targetting involves established military/para-military posts, whose locations are communicated to ISAF.

It would appear that ISAF/Afghan forces were fired upon when perceived to be on the Pakistani side of the border in the events referred to in this thread.

You cannot expect to fight and win a war when you follow the rule - "No shooting until they are on our side." Let's say there is an imaginary dashed border line in the actual soil... do you sit there and let a huge, threatening, mechanized force line up one meter behind the line, and do nothing? "Can't shoot them, they aren't across the border yet."

Kind of simplistic, but the reality is very complex. Do you want your soldiers to die when it could be prevented by pre-emptive targeting of these terrorists?

I have ZERO problem with Pakistan spanking a terrorist nest that is a kilometer inside Afghanistan.

If we cooperate, we can squeeze these butchers between two effective forces and end it.
 
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You cannot expect to fight and win a war when you follow the rule - "No shooting until they are on our side." Let's say there is an imaginary dashed border line in the actual soil... do you sit there and let a huge, threatening, mechanized force line up one meter behind the line, and do nothing? "Can't shoot them, they aren't across the border yet."
If the US can track and monitor their presence in NW, then what is stopping them from extending that monitoring and surveillance of their movements into Afghanistan, and engaging them there? And this becomes even more important when it is Pakistani soldiers that are killed by US/ISAF fire because off poor intelligence or perhaps militant proximity to Pakistani military positions.

Kind of simplistic, but the reality is very complex. Do you want your soldiers to die when it could be prevented by pre-emptive targeting of these terrorists?
The attacks on Pakistani soldiers and civilians from Eastern Afghanistan can be 'pre-empted' by ISAF/Afghan operations in that territory.

Pakistan today repulsed yet another major attack out of Eastern Afghanistan - where are the US/ISAF/Afghan troops? Where are the calls in the US media and from US government officials for ISAF to 'DO MORE' in Eastern Afghanistan and control that territory?

I have ZERO problem with Pakistan spanking a terrorist nest that is a kilometer inside Afghanistan.
I do have a problem with any non-Pakistan military operation inside Pakistani territory without the explicit consent of Pakistani authorities.
If we cooperate, we can squeeze these butchers between two effective forces and end it.
Absolutely, but there can be no cooperation when ISAF troops barely have a presence in Eastern Afghanistan from where over half a dozen major terrorist attacks have been launched into Pakistan.
 
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