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[Protest_again]

Like I said whats the proposal- would RSS be ready to remove Hindutva from their daily lives- God does not belong in governance- Are you guys ready to stop doing Puja for everything.

Lol. You have no idea about what UCC is, do you? But let me answer, India do not do just puja for auspicious occassions but also engage a muslim mullah and a priest for prayer depending on one's belief. You are just fixated on this Hindu bad ideology that you only see a pujari. I'll tell you straight out 'India is a country with Hindu ethos that accommodates all other religions'. If someone has problem with that, well tough luck.

 

[ChennaiDude]

You asked to place before the secular parties the UCC. That was hilarious. Secular parties had no intention or want to bring UCC in the first place. They are happy with the appeasement policy for their own vote bank.

Again let me clarify- As per your Non Secular friend-"It is the "secular" parties who oppose the UCC"- My question is what was the proposal that was rejected/Oppose.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Oh that bogey of UCC again. Let me give a crash course to all the Sanghis as they're too lazy to do their own damned homework.

Point A) Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains have similar religious concepts. So there is a Hindu Marriage Act to govern their lives. It not only guides marriage but also divorce, custody of children, inheritance, death tax etc.

Point B) Christians have their own legal guidelines on above concepts. In the Catholic church, divorce is not permitted or greatly discouraged (well, it does happen a lot but that's a separate issue). So, the guidelines cannot be the same as Hindu Marriage Act.

Point C) Muslims also need their own space and legal framework to guide their lives. They have a concept called iddat following a divorce, especially for remarriages. The child custody and other property rights are guaranteed through a "pre-nup" called nikah-nama. Also it's compliant to Shariah laws so their arrangement is separate. Polygamy among Indian Muslims is actually less compared to Hindus despite Islam allowing upto four wives. Very rarely anyone does it.

So, if a Hindu wants to marry a Muslim or Christianity, he or she must convert to Islam or Christianity as per the above guidelines. Hindus are welcome to come with similar terms in Hindu Marriage Act. In practice, many of these guidelines are ignored in interfaith marriages.

I don't see the need for a separate Uniform Civil Code (there is a Special Marriage Act which does allow interfaith marriages without guarantee of property rights, custody rights etc.). All the communities are happy in their own respective spheres.

My concern is WTF is RSS so pained about? Why don't they bugger off and let the communities deal with their problem on their own? If they persist with this stupidity, they will get a message very loud and clear.


CLASS DISMISSED for today my Sanghi warriors

 

[Soumitra]

Like I said whats the proposal- would RSS be ready to remove Hindutva from their daily lives- God does not belong in governance- Are you guys ready to stop doing Puja for everything.


Man you are all over the place- Lets see what your proposal would be on UCC.


Dont give me bits and pieces - Give me the whole proposal.

This is the core of the proposal. UCC covers marriages, divorces, inheritence

Marriages
One person can marry only one other person, irrespective of gender. Gay marriages are also allowed. But one to one only. No Polygamy or Polyandry

All marriages must be registered.

Live in relations will be recognized if a couple is living together for a reasonable amount of time (say 2 years)

Divorces
There is no special way to divorce. You have to go through the court to get a divorce. You cant divorce even by saying talaq over a 3 months period

Inhertitence
All children, including adopted ones, are entitled to equal share of inheritance. No difference between share of boy or girl

Now tell me - Is it majoritarian or secular? Will @xeuss agree to this?

 

[ChennaiDude]

Lol. You have no idea about what UCC is, do you? But let me answer, India do not do just puja for auspicious occassions but also engage a muslim mullah and a priest for prayer depending on one's belief. You are just fixated on this Hindu bad ideology that you only see a pujari. I'll tell you straight out 'India is a country with Hindu ethos that accommodates all other religions'. If someone has problem with that, well tough luck.

Ah now we are talking- 'India is a country with Hindu ethos that accommodates all other religions'- I agree to some extent here no doubt- Its time to evolve and keep the Hindu Ethos personal and Just move to govern asa per the constitution with out GOD getting involved- Then you can have a good ground for UCC.

You asked to place before the secular parties the UCC. That was hilarious. Secular parties had no intention or want to bring UCC in the first place. They are happy with the appeasement policy for their own vote bank.

No its not- They just dont want the Hindu form of UCC- I am sure you are smart to understand what I am saying.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

I personally have no problem with that advertisement, in fact I welcome it. I just posted it to show a mirror to those crying discrimination when Hindus want the same.

I kinda agree with your point.

India needs to be partitioned. Muslims should have the right to their own nation with their own law and you can do what you want in yours.

 

[Protest_again]

Again let me clarify- As per your Non Secular friend-"It is the "secular" parties who oppose the UCC"- My question is what was the proposal that was rejected/Oppose.

I answered it already. India had secular parties at helm for 60 years in its post independent history. They never bothered about UCC. So it is illogical to think they would accept UCC in any form. Get it.

 

[ChennaiDude]

Lets say there is a UCC which says a person can marry only one woman, and to get a divorce they have to get a whole court procedure. Every marriage has to be registered by default. Any marriage of a girl below 18 is null and void ab-initio and the husband fill face jail time. These are basic contours of UCC. Is it majoritarian? I don't think so. Will someone like @xeuss accept it? Will the secular parties accept it?

Sure why not first propse it- With no Hindu influence- Should be standard and fair to everyone- No excuses that India has Hindu Ethos etc etc. (No pre conditions).

 

[Soumitra]

Sure why not first propse it- With no Hindu influence- Should be standard and fair to everyone- No excuses that India has Hindu Ethos etc etc. (No pre conditions).

I just posted a secular form of UCC. Tell me what is the issue in that

This is the core of the proposal. UCC covers marriages, divorces, inheritence

Marriages
One person can marry only one other person, irrespective of gender. Gay marriages are also allowed. But one to one only. No Polygamy or Polyandry

All marriages must be registered.

Live in relations will be recognized if a couple is living together for a reasonable amount of time (say 2 years)

Divorces
There is no special way to divorce. You have to go through the court to get a divorce. You cant divorce even by saying talaq over a 3 months period

Inhertitence
All children, including adopted ones, are entitled to equal share of inheritance. No difference between share of boy or girl

Now tell me - Is it majoritarian or secular? Will @xeuss agree to this?

 

[Shantanu_Left]

This is the core of the proposal. UCC covers marriages, divorces, inheritence

Marriages
One person can marry only one other person, irrespective of gender. Gay marriages are also allowed. But one to one only. No Polygamy or Polyandry

All marriages must be registered.

Live in relations will be recognized if a couple is living together for a reasonable amount of time (say 2 years)

Divorces
There is no special way to divorce. You have to go through the court to get a divorce. You cant divorce even by saying talaq over a 3 months period

Inhertitence
All children, including adopted ones, are entitled to equal share of inheritance. No difference between share of boy or girl

Now tell me - Is it majoritarian or secular? Will @xeuss agree to this?

I can answer on his behalf. He will not agree to this crap proposal. It's not as per Shariah guidelines. So it is haram to all right-thinking Muslims.

 

[ChennaiDude]

This is the core of the proposal. UCC covers marriages, divorces, inheritence

Marriages
One person can marry only one other person, irrespective of gender. Gay marriages are also allowed. But one to one only. No Polygamy or Polyandry

All marriages must be registered.

Live in relations will be recognized if a couple is living together for a reasonable amount of time (say 2 years)

Divorces
There is no special way to divorce. You have to go through the court to get a divorce. You cant divorce even by saying talaq over a 3 months period

Inhertitence
All children, including adopted ones, are entitled to equal share of inheritance. No difference between share of boy or girl

Now tell me - Is it majoritarian or secular? Will @xeuss agree to this?

Come on you just stuck on one aspect- Marriage/Divorce/Inheritance etc- For UCC to work the constitution has to change first. (has to be revamped/Change is good)- India needs a real UCC proposal not a Hindu version of UCC.
Nothing is easy in this world- The tougher it is the better- Thats the satisfaction of achievement.

 

[Protest_again]

Ah now we are talking- 'India is a country with Hindu ethos that accommodates all other religions'- I agree to some extent here no doubt- Its time to evolve and keep the Hindu Ethos personal and Just move to govern asa per the constitution with out GOD getting involved- Then you can have a good ground for UCC.


No its not- They just dont want the Hindu form of UCC- I am sure you are smart to understand what I am saying.

You could refer to @Soumitra post on marriage clause in the coming UCC. That has nothing to do with Hinduism. Do you agree?

By the way, what is Hindu form of UCC? Give me an example that you came to know of, so we could understand your view point. I as a Hindu, have no problem to adopt British UCC, can you convince the other side for us?

 

[ChennaiDude]

I answered it already. India had secular parties at helm for 60 years in its post independent history. They never bothered about UCC. So it is illogical to think they would accept UCC in any form. Get it.

You are the Government now- Give it a shot, what have you guys to lose?- Many secular parties have also not tried many pograms like what the BJP is trying now- so why not try UCC as well?

I just posted a secular form of UCC. Tell me what is the issue in that

Thats one form- How about the whole- Remove Gods from governance- Like the US model- Its now "In God we Trust" and not "Jesus we Trust".- UCC will need to have representation from all religions, even the very miniscule one- This is one thing I love about the Chinese.

By the way, what is Hindu form of UCC? Give me an example that you came to know of, so we could understand your view point. I as a Hindu, have no problem to adopt British UCC, can you convince the other side for us?

'India is a country with Hindu ethos that accommodates all other religions'- That was your response- There you go.
You can try spinning it how ever you want.

You could refer to @Soumitra post on marriage clause in the coming UCC. That has nothing to do with Hinduism. Do you agree?

There is something called negotiation- Lets get the full proposal and just not one piece- No
Personally I agree to the proposal!

 

[jaatram]

I can answer on his behalf. He will not agree to this crap proposal. It's not as per Shariah guidelines. So it is haram to all right-thinking Muslims.

Too bad, UCC is on its way. Thank you for giving a glimpse of what sort of opposition we will be expecting. State governments will stomp them ruthlessly while confiscating the properties of all those protesting against the state.

 

[Soumitra]

Come on you just stuck on one aspect- Marriage/Divorce/Inheritance etc- For UCC to work the constitution has to change first. (has to be revamped/Change is good)- India needs a real UCC proposal not a Hindu version of UCC.
Nothing is easy in this world- The tougher it is the better- Thats the satisfaction of achievement.

Again you are deflecting because you know the answer. I openly challenge you to tell me what is Hindu in the UCC I have proposed?

If you don't know UCC stands for Uniform Civil Code. There are 2 types of laws - Civil and Criminal. The Criminal Laws are the IPC or Indian Penal Code. It is for all people. Civil laws are laws related to Marriage, Inheritence Divorce. You asked for UCC, I have given you a UCC proposal.

You are now stuck like any other leftist. You know in your heart that what I have given is not at all majoritarian but it is one of the most secular proposal. You also know in your heart that Muslims will not accept it because they love their own laws. And because Muslims wont accept it no "secular" parties will accept it.