Umar Mansoor aka Umar Naray Killed

[Areesh]

Drones are not magic carpets with AI to find Mr Naray out of nowhere, they depend on ground intelligence.
Where does the ground intelligence come from, Santa Claus ?

USA can ground intelligence anywhere. If they can get same in FATA then getting same in Afghanistan is not difficult. You should stop taking credit for good work done by USA.

 

[Joe Shearer]

will your PM do ?

Which part of Indian authorities was not clear?

 

[F.O.X]

Which part of Indian authorities was not clear?

Well it seems your old age is affecting your brain cells, read my second last post again .. or are you having a problem understanding English language ?

to refresh your memory a little more

Here you go
https://defence.pk/threads/indian-f...its-the-conspiracy-to-divide-pakistan.379853/

ohh yes forgot about your monkey as well, since you were so keen or providing testimonies here is one as well.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1075353/indian-spy-admits-raw-destabilising-pakistan/

 

[Joe Shearer]

Well it seems your old age is affecting your brain cells, read my second last post again .. or are you having a problem understanding English language ?

to refresh your memory a little more

Here you go
https://defence.pk/threads/indian-f...its-the-conspiracy-to-divide-pakistan.379853/

ohh yes forgot about your monkey as well, since you were so keen or providing testimonies here is one as well.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1075353/indian-spy-admits-raw-destabilising-pakistan/

This is tragic. This is quoting from the same Modi who claimed that Alexander had come to Patna. The Modi who proclaimed that transplants were known to the ancients because Ganesha has an elephant's head. That a hundred Kauravas were born outside Gandhari's womb due to advanced medical science.

Is this seriously what you have come to?

And a spy in captivity admitting that he came from Mars, where they all habitually walked on their heads?

And this is what a thinking person has to put up against the independent and unforced testimony of reputed persons like Tariq Ali or like Brigadier Z. A. Khan? I see your delight at Headley being used as a reference, as that gives you the opportunity to bring in another imprisoned person's testimony and to equate it, but I should have thought that the difference between a confession delivered in American custody and a confession delivered in home-grown custody might have made a small difference. Apparently it hasn't, as has not the testimony of both Strobe Talbott and Bruce Riedel (I forgot that they were Americans, and therefore currently debarred from the permitted list of truthful human beings) about Kargil.

So let's see. Now that you have quoted each other, and the mountebank who leads us, the picture is clear and Pakistan is holding out bravely against the entire might of the Indian nation, which is bent upon crushing it. I wish you well; if you are so unrealistic and so beset by illusion as to think that you are holding out when there is not even a serious effort in the first place, you will need all the luck you can get. India is famous for expending strength and effort in meaningless ways, and in not doing the hard, merciless things that show a killer instinct. Many of us Indian citizens are thankful for that; we would rather have a clumsy, inept bungling India, than have one that is mercilessly efficient and dedicated to a particular purpose fairly easy to achieve.

 

[M.SAAD]

Drones are not magic carpets with AI to find Mr Naray out of nowhere, they depend on ground intelligence.
Where does the ground intelligence come from, Santa Claus ?

From ISI .

 

[F.O.X]

This is tragic. This is quoting from the same Modi who claimed that Alexander had come to Patna. The Modi who proclaimed that transplants were known to the ancients because Ganesha has an elephant's head. That a hundred Kauravas were born outside Gandhari's womb due to advanced medical science.

Is this seriously what you have come to?

And a spy in captivity admitting that he came from Mars, where they all habitually walked on their heads?

And this is what a thinking person has to put up against the independent and unforced testimony of reputed persons like Tariq Ali or like Brigadier Z. A. Khan? I see your delight at Headley being used as a reference, as that gives you the opportunity to bring in another imprisoned person's testimony and to equate it, but I should have thought that the difference between a confession delivered in American custody and a confession delivered in home-grown custody might have made a small difference. Apparently it hasn't, as has not the testimony of both Strobe Talbott and Bruce Riedel (I forgot that they were Americans, and therefore currently debarred from the permitted list of truthful human beings) about Kargil.

So let's see. Now that you have quoted each other, and the mountebank who leads us, the picture is clear and Pakistan is holding out bravely against the entire might of the Indian nation, which is bent upon crushing it. I wish you well; if you are so unrealistic and so beset by illusion as to think that you are holding out when there is not even a serious effort in the first place, you will need all the luck you can get. India is famous for expending strength and effort in meaningless ways, and in not doing the hard, merciless things that show a killer instinct. Many of us Indian citizens are thankful for that; we would rather have a clumsy, inept bungling India, than have one that is mercilessly efficient and dedicated to a particular purpose fairly easy to achieve.

There you go Proves my Point, When we present evidence it is always not admissible ... when you do it even if it is a pigeon it must be an ISI conspiracy .... i would say this mindset is rather pathetic considering how many years of experience you have under your belt.

btw it is the same modi you the worlds largest democracy elected as your Representative ... you do know what a representative is Right ?

Also you saying that any confession under CIA/FBI is more credible show how much you lack any knowledge about them, if you spend 1 day in their custody you will not only admit to being an Alien but also say that you were the Pilot the the Vedic Spaceship india had ....


Now at the End you still were not able to provide any credible proof of Pakistan's involvement in destabilizing India .. but all you did was deviate from one topic to another hoping that it will somehow seem more credible .... as i said before P A T H E T I C ......

 

[Joe Shearer]

There you go Proves my Point, When we present evidence it is always not admissible ... when you do it even if it is a pigeon it must be an ISI conspiracy .... i would say this mindset is rather pathetic considering how many years of experience you have under your belt.

btw it is the same modi you the worlds largest democracy elected as your Representative ... you do know what a representative is Right ?

Also you saying that any confession under CIA/FBI is more credible show how much you lack any knowledge about them, if you spend 1 day in their custody you will not only admit to being an Alien but also say that you were the Pilot the the Vedic Spaceship india had ....


Now at the End you still were not able to provide any credible proof of Pakistan's involvement in destabilizing India .. but all you did was deviate from one topic to another hoping that it will somehow seem more credible .... as i said before P A T H E T I C ......

Since you know nothing or next to nothing about democracy, let me have the pleasure of setting you right.

1. Nobody elected Modi representative of the Indian people or of India. He was elected head of the party which formed the government. He was popular to his people, who believe in urine therapy and the mixture of five cow products (I do not report the composition in kindness to you, and to your bringing out your dinner if you were to read them);
2. Since you are so supportive of his every word, I presume you also accept the Alexander in Patna history; you also think, with the great man, that only plastic surgery or the highest levels of medical skill could have created a Ganesh (I shudder to think of your views on the Ardhanarishwar), and that you can produce a hundred children at a time, outside the womb, through medical advancement in the Vedic (?) age. Or are you cherry-picking from these gems now? Which ones are halal and which ones need to be rejected as raving lunacy?
3. If you think spending one day in CIA or FBI captivity will mean accepting that you admit being an alien, and also that you are the pilot of the Vedic spaceship, what do you think it is to be in Pakistani custody? How much weight would you give that testimony?
4. As far as Pakistan destabilising India, once again I repeat, for the sake of your statement above, what I have written two or three times before, and which everyone has read:
   1. Tariq Ali for Kashmir (or did you fail to read that?)
   2. Brigadier Z. A. Khan for Pakistani involvement in India's north-east long before Bangladesh, long before R&W was even formed;
   3. Strobe Talbott about American views on Pakistani sponsorship of terrorism; Bruce Riedel ditto;
   4. Headley (if you admit a prisoner's testimony) about Mumbai.

Since I have mentioned these several times before, how come you are under the impression that no proof was given of Pakistan's involvement in and participation with terrorism and terrorist activity? Is that your equivalent of burying your head in the sand, or is it a posture of flat denial?

 

[F.O.X]

Since you know nothing or next to nothing about democracy, let me have the pleasure of setting you right.

1. Nobody elected Modi representative of the Indian people or of India. He was elected head of the party which formed the government. He was popular to his people, who believe in urine therapy and the mixture of five cow products (I do not report the composition in kindness to you, and to your bringing out your dinner if you were to read them);
2. Since you are so supportive of his every word, I presume you also accept the Alexander in Patna history; you also think, with the great man, that only plastic surgery or the highest levels of medical skill could have created a Ganesh (I shudder to think of your views on the Ardhanarishwar), and that you can produce a hundred children at a time, outside the womb, through medical advancement in the Vedic (?) age. Or are you cherry-picking from these gems now? Which ones are halal and which ones need to be rejected as raving lunacy?
3. If you think spending one day in CIA or FBI captivity will mean accepting that you admit being an alien, and also that you are the pilot of the Vedic spaceship, what do you think it is to be in Pakistani custody? How much weight would you give that testimony?
4. As far as Pakistan destabilising India, once again I repeat, for the sake of your statement above, what I have written two or three times before, and which everyone has read:
   1. Tariq Ali for Kashmir (or did you fail to read that?)
   2. Brigadier Z. A. Khan for Pakistani involvement in India's north-east long before Bangladesh, long before R&W was even formed;
   3. Strobe Talbott about American views on Pakistani sponsorship of terrorism; Bruce Riedel ditto;
   4. Headley (if you admit a prisoner's testimony) about Mumbai.

Since I have mentioned these several times before, how come you are under the impression that no proof was given of Pakistan's involvement in and participation with terrorism and terrorist activity? Is that your equivalent of burying your head in the sand, or is it a posture of flat denial?

I advice you search the term Prime Minister , look what it says ... and let me know who is a prime minister.... what are his powers ... and regardless of how he was elected does he represt your country on international forums or not ?

you are repeating the same mantra again & again , and it seems you have just 3 examples to prove your point... all of which are worthless as they hold no credibility ... had the held any credibility the UN would not have bounty to Collect evidence against Hafiz saeed... now would it ?

Snice you Provided 3 sources I Will provide you 4

1. You own PM admitted in a public meeting that India Aided the Terrorists in 1971
2. Your own NSA Admitted on record that India is involved in Balochistan unreast
3. One of your commanded level agents was caught & he spilled the beans regarding how india was involved in causing unrest in Pakistan
4. Not even a month ago you hosted one the the wanted terrorists for Pakistan Harbayar in Delhi.... I highly doubt it was a coincidence .

You still have not been able to prove that Pakistan is involved in India .... I am still waiting for that.

Ohh and how are you under the impression that no proof was give to India about RAW's involvement in Pakistan ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

I advice you search the term Prime Minister , look what it says ... and let me know who is a prime minister.... what are his powers ... and regardless of how he was elected does he represt your country on international forums or not ?

I am setting you right on what you think a country's representative means; clearly you did not know, and your shift of goalposts speaks for itself.

you are repeating the same mantra again & again , and it seems you have just 3 examples to prove your point... all of which are worthless as they hold no credibility ... had the held any credibility the UN would not have bounty to Collect evidence against Hafiz saeed... now would it ?

Oh, you wanted more? I thought I was spoonfeeding you. How many will satisfy you? Four? Five? Six? Do you have a number or is it always one more than cited? And do you have sources equivalent to this?

Snice you Provided 3 sources I Will provide you 4

1. You own PM admitted in a public meeting that India Aided the Terrorists in 1971

How does he know? Do you know what he was and what he did in 1971? It is his kind of loud talk. Why don't you consult sounder references, like your own authors? Even Indian authors who are authentic will do.

I gave you clear instances where his opinion was bizarre, and after that for you to cling to his statement again speaks for itself.

2. Your own NSA Admitted on record that India is involved in Balochistan unreast

Involved in Balochistan unrest? You mean providing Baloch leaders passports to travel is equivalent to shooting up your legislature or massacring over a hundred civilians in a major city like Karachi?

3. One of your commanded level agents was caught & he spilled the beans regarding how india was involved in causing unrest in Pakistan

Was it you talking about the credibility of information obtained from prisoners interrogated by the CIA and the FBI? And was it you reminded about the probable behaviour of your own intelligence agencies in a similar situation?

4. Not even a month ago you hosted one the the wanted terrorists for Pakistan Harbayar in Delhi.... I highly doubt it was a coincidence .

Why do you doubt it? What connection do you think there was? Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

You still have not been able to prove that Pakistan is involved in India .... I am still waiting for that.

Of course you are still waiting. You have been given references but you don't want to read them; you might have to sing in a different key.

BUT everybody who is reading this post is not under this artificial imposition that you have set yourself.Anyone who reads any of those documents or publications will realise what paper thin defences you have had.

Ohh and how are you under the impression that no proof was give to India about RAW's involvement in Pakistan ?

The contents of the dossiers were made public, to great mirth and hilarity, once the hon'ble Security Advisor had handed them over. There was dead silence from the Pakistani side, not a cheep, not a squeak.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

He had nothing to do with India or with R&W.

maybe he did or maybe he didnt.
he was a proxy after all. self perpetuating or supported.
in this mercy world we never know.

we all have proxies, some are more violent than others. my resigned signature says it all. if the powers that be really want... they can take out Daesh land and its fighters in days. but instead it is allowed to massacre over 1000 people in one day and sometimes the beheading last entire day turning lakes and rivers red. no airstrike (halal or infidal) takes place to take them out


now coming to this TTP eliminations in Afghanistan... all have been carried out by US drones. which is much appreciated but then again.. some are allowed to reside and flourish and upload open air large gathering videos

anyway.. any enemy worthy of its animosity towards Pakistan will use and befriend anyone who can target and hurt Pakistan. so India is no exception. nothing personal in this this game

I advice you search the term Prime Minister , look what it says ... and let me know who is a prime minister.... what are his powers ... and regardless of how he was elected does he represt your country on international forums or not ?

you are repeating the same mantra again & again , and it seems you have just 3 examples to prove your point... all of which are worthless as they hold no credibility ... had the held any credibility the UN would not have bounty to Collect evidence against Hafiz saeed... now would it ?

Snice you Provided 3 sources I Will provide you 4

1. You own PM admitted in a public meeting that India Aided the Terrorists in 1971
2. Your own NSA Admitted on record that India is involved in Balochistan unreast
3. One of your commanded level agents was caught & he spilled the beans regarding how india was involved in causing unrest in Pakistan
4. Not even a month ago you hosted one the the wanted terrorists for Pakistan Harbayar in Delhi.... I highly doubt it was a coincidence .

You still have not been able to prove that Pakistan is involved in India .... I am still waiting for that.

Ohh and how are you under the impression that no proof was give to India about RAW's involvement in Pakistan ?

and @Joe Shearer respected gents
please open a separate thread on it .. your discussion is interesting but has nothing to do with the subject of a terrorist's death.

take care

 

[-xXx-]

I advice you search the term Prime Minister , look what it says ... and let me know who is a prime minister.... what are his powers ... and regardless of how he was elected does he represt your country on international forums or not ?

you are repeating the same mantra again & again , and it seems you have just 3 examples to prove your point... all of which are worthless as they hold no credibility ... had the held any credibility the UN would not have bounty to Collect evidence against Hafiz saeed... now would it ?

Snice you Provided 3 sources I Will provide you 4

1. You own PM admitted in a public meeting that India Aided the Terrorists in 1971
2. Your own NSA Admitted on record that India is involved in Balochistan unreast
3. One of your commanded level agents was caught & he spilled the beans regarding how india was involved in causing unrest in Pakistan
4. Not even a month ago you hosted one the the wanted terrorists for Pakistan Harbayar in Delhi.... I highly doubt it was a coincidence .

You still have not been able to prove that Pakistan is involved in India .... I am still waiting for that.

Ohh and how are you under the impression that no proof was give to India about RAW's involvement in Pakistan ?

Indian PM admit supporting Mukti Bahini and not terrorists. Your whole premise lies with Mukti Bahini being terrorist and this is one narrative ONLY Pakistan believes in.

 

[Joe Shearer]

maybe he did or maybe he didnt.
he was a proxy after all. self perpetuating or supported.
in this mercy world we never know.

we all have proxies, some are more violent than others. my resigned signature says it all. if the powers that be really want... they can take out Daesh land and its fighters in days. but instead it is allowed to massacre over 1000 people in one day and sometimes the beheading last entire day turning lakes and rivers red. no airstrike (halal or infidal) takes place to take them out


now coming to this TTP eliminations in Afghanistan... all have been carried out by US drones. which is much appreciated but then again.. some are allowed to reside and flourish and upload open air large gathering videos

anyway.. any enemy worthy of its animosity towards Pakistan will use and befriend anyone who can target and hurt Pakistan. so India is no exception. nothing personal in this this game


and @Joe Shearer respected gents
please open a separate thread on it .. your discussion is interesting but has nothing to do with the subject of a terrorist's death.

take care

@Irfan Baloch

Just one personal word in passing. I have said this before and I will say this steadfastly.

I sincerely believe that my country does not support or fund acts of violence against innocent citizens of other countries. If this has happened, I condemn it with all the force at my command, as a despicable, and a cowardly act, hateful to all mankind. No ifs, buts or maybes.

PS: My sincere apologies to you and all members for these diversions.

I advice you search the term Prime Minister , look what it says ... and let me know who is a prime minister.... what are his powers ... and regardless of how he was elected does he represt your country on international forums or not ?

you are repeating the same mantra again & again , and it seems you have just 3 examples to prove your point... all of which are worthless as they hold no credibility ... had the held any credibility the UN would not have bounty to Collect evidence against Hafiz saeed... now would it ?

Snice you Provided 3 sources I Will provide you 4

1. You own PM admitted in a public meeting that India Aided the Terrorists in 1971
2. Your own NSA Admitted on record that India is involved in Balochistan unreast
3. One of your commanded level agents was caught & he spilled the beans regarding how india was involved in causing unrest in Pakistan
4. Not even a month ago you hosted one the the wanted terrorists for Pakistan Harbayar in Delhi.... I highly doubt it was a coincidence .

You still have not been able to prove that Pakistan is involved in India .... I am still waiting for that.

Ohh and how are you under the impression that no proof was give to India about RAW's involvement in Pakistan ?

I regret having diverted the thread from its original topic.

 

[alibaz]

Please don't make unfounded allegations without proof. This is inflammatory and completely without foundation.

I think you can't comment like this once one of the Indian monkeys is in our custody.

 

[waz]

but TTP is supported by RAW+CIA+MOSAD etc etc . Right ?

You know I don't believe that. I guess it was sarcasm?

 

[Joe Shearer]

I think you can't comment like this once one of the Indian monkeys is in our custody.

I can, I did and I think you need to look at what F O X had to say about interrogations in custody.