Pls don't thump your chest. Trappier has said it's impossible to set up a production line unless there is a confirmation for 200 jets and by the time he gets 200 orders UAE would have her Rafales.
That's a fact.
https://defence.pk/threads/uae-india-and-the-rafale-issue.477957/page-5#post-9214051
I'm not saying India will make UAE Rafales, the Indian line will be too young for that, but I'm saying they will be supported in India.
Man, you haven't understood what this thread is about at all. Start off from the first page.
Anyway, the production line is happening. The 200 orders is meant for full scale ToT. Dassault says if they get 200 orders, they will be able to bring in all the heavy work possible into India. Otherwise, even if we order just 36 more, these 36 will come from an Indian line, just that more work will be done in France before they are assembled in India.
Don't read half here, half somewhere else and then bring your half knowledge into a discussion where some of the other members are openly showing their hate for India.
What Trappier said is they want a big bang order so they can do a deep ToT much quicker. Read the article and analyse his words properly please.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...n-india-dassault-ceo/articleshow/57160249.cms
However, a larger order of close to 200 Rafale jets would be ideal to transfer high end technology and manufacturing capabilities to India at a `competitive level' the senior executive has said.
Dassault however believes that the current order of 36 jets would not be sufficient to transfer high end manufacturing or technology to India. Trappier said that extra orders would need to be placed by 2017-18 to come up with a larger Make in India plan that would involve shifting heavy work.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...next-decade/story-sICe1UFTRC0RxR3wkpLCZK.html
“Thirty six is a good number to start with but we need to build on that foundation. It is not big enough for transfer of technology,” Trappier told a select group of journalists at Aero India-2017. “We are pushing for more orders. We are aware of the Indian military’s requirements and additional orders could come.”
The current plan is to make all Rafale spares in India, making India completely independent from import of spares. Apart from that, we will start with an assembly line also. If we are lucky, the last 20 jets of UAE's could be assembled in India. Apart from that, UAE Rafales, including a few other export countries, will get their spares and support from India. The ultimate plan is to shift the entire support structure of all international Rafales from France to India. So, only French Rafales will be supported by the French industry because of strategic reasons, while India will leverage its low cost structure and become the global hub for all international Rafales.
Also, what he means by 200 numbers is including the 36 GTG and 57 from IN. So he is basically asking for the IN deal + an order of about 110 jets to setup a production line with deep ToT, which is easily possible.
Trappier has been named the chairman of the Indian line. So I don't get what's the problem of the French members.
What the hell is going on in India ? Are they all high ?
"UAE is also using (the Rafale)" how can you give credit to someone saying something that wrong ?
UAE isn't using Rafale at the moment. The French Air Force has a few Rafale in a base because we have some defence agreement with the UAE (without the help of India). Those fighters are French.
Don't get caught up by the exact words he used. He probably means 'buying'. English is obviously not his second language.
UAE may or may not buy Rafale in the future but they are not in a hurry because they have M2K-9 which are still really lethal machines.
UAE is going for the Rafale. It is a planned purchase and India is also involved. That's where the strategic relationship is headed between the three countries.
Dear randomradio,
Well well well all I can say is that your sound like someone very sure of himself knowing everything.
You pick-up unchecked information and then you add lovely dreams you mix everything with unknown timelines and you have the receipt to create doubts in every man but you.
How is the
Ministry of External Affairs Secretary unchecked information? He is talking about exporting Rafales from India to the UAE. So it's obvious that even if the UAE deal doesn't work out, Dassault is planning to export Rafales from India to other countries. I must keep reminding that Trappier is the chairman of DRAL in India. So it is in effect a Dassault run company even if Reliance holds the majority.
Bro, on another forum there are two people with MoD access to both countries. Our information is pretty solid. We have been talking about these things for more than 2 years now.
Have you also seen Picdel's opinion? Even he wants the Indian line to churn out 45 Rafales a year to take care of the entire international market while leaving France with only the 11 Rafales/year. He was number 4 in Dassault while he worked there. In fact, he wants France to import the AMCA for the French air force.
You see, people high up in the chain are very comfortable dealing with India. And they want to make pragmatic decisions. Decisions that benefit both countries.
, Tay.
