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Following dozens of articles and topics about Azeri situation in Iran,I thought maybe It's better for others to know a little more about situation of Kurds in Turkey,which every opposing member of them is labeled by 'terrorist' mark by Turkish government.Unlike Turkish dominated western parts of the country,the Kurdish majority eastern and southeastern parts do not see the development that country enjoys in Its Turkish dominated areas,so Kurdish parts still lag so far behind.In comparison,Azeri parts of Iran are as developed as other parts of the country.Tabriz is the most developed and second largest industrial zone after Tehran and in my opinion it is most beautiful city in Iran.Same applies to Urmia in lower extent.(note that I'm not comparing Turkish development with Iran development,I'm comparing development of Azeri and Kurdish areas of Iran and Turkey respective to other parts of the both countries.

And here is a good article about Situation of Kurds in Turkey (however it belongs to dec 2011):


Kurds in Turkey: Arrests and violence threaten to radicalise a generation

December 30, 2011

DIYARBAKIR, The Kurdish region of Turkey, — Since the beginning of the Arab uprising Turkey has been held up as a blueprint for the emerging Middle Eastern democracies to copy. But many observers question whether its treatment of its Kurdish minority gives it the right to be treated as a role model.

This year more than 4,000 people have been arrested under arbitrary terrorism charges, including dozens of journalists arrested last week, military operations against Kurdish separatists have intensified, with at least 27 killed in December alone, and guerrillas have stepped up violent attacks on security forces and civilians.

Mass trials of Kurds, including local deputies, mayors, academics and human rights activists, have inched forwards. In the biggest case, more than 150 politicians and activists are being tried in a specially built courtroom in Diyarbakir. More than 100 of the defendants have been in pre-trial detention, some of them for many months.

Abdullah Demirbas, the mayor of a district in the mainly Kurdish city of Diyarbakir in eastern Turkey, is among the defendants on trial for "membership in the KCK", an illegal pan-Kurdish umbrella organisation that includes the armed Kurdistan Workers' party (PKK).

If convicted, he faces 35 years in jail on these charges alone.

"They have not even found a pocket knife in my house," Demirbas said. Human rights groups have repeatedly expressed their concern about the arbitrary use of terrorism laws in Turkey.

"The Turkish laws make no distinction between political activity and terrorism. It is never examined in what kind of activities people are actually involved and whether these qualify them for prosecution. Very many of these cases are based on guilt by association," said Emma Sinclair-Webb, the Turkey researcher for Human Rights Watch.

"People have a right to association. You may not like what people are associating with, but it is illegitimate to just jail, suppress and silence critics."

Demirbas fears that the massive repression of politicians and human rights activists will decrease confidence in politics and lead to more violence: "A state that wants to end violence should widen the political sphere as much as possible, so that people who used to feel compelled to use armed force will turn to dialogue instead.

"But [Turkey] does exactly the opposite: they arrest more than 4,000 people that have never held a weapon, so people will think: 'If we enter politics, we will end up like that.'"

Demirbas does not need to look far for examples: he was given a prison sentence of two years and six months after saying, in May 2009, that "a soldier's and a guerrilla's mother's tears are the same colour. This war needs to end".

Three weeks later his then 16-year-old son joined the PKK.

"He told me: 'Dad, see this is what happens when you try to do politics. This state does not understand politics, it only understands weapons.'"

Demirbas said that he tried in vain to persuade his son to stay.

"That is the psychology of thousands of Kurds. I know of at least 2,000 young Kurdish people who have [joined the PKK] since then."

Mehmet Emin Aktar, president of the Diyarbakir Bar Association, said that Turkey had become "a republic of fear".

He says: "A democratic state needs to provide a trustworthy judiciary. People need to know that they can expect justice if they step in front of a judge. But this is no longer the case."

Like many of his colleagues, he is very worried that the situation will reach a breaking point: "If fear and threats continue to be the main method of the government, the younger generation of Kurds will become more radical."

In the cafeteria of the Dicle Firat cultural centre, a group of men were discussing the latest KCK arrests. "We all have our bags packed," Kazim Öz said. "We now live on the assumption that each and every one of us could be arrested at any minute."

Another man nodded. "Where is this supposed to end? They can't arrest all of us! This morning I counted 36 grandchildren. They can't finish us Kurds like this."

With tensions turning violent again, investment and business development in Diyarbakir has stalled, making unemployment and poverty, for decades a major problem in the predominantly Kurdish south-east, ever more acute.

With prejudice fuelled by the Turkish media, discrimination against Kurds continues.

"Those who conduct business outside Diyarbakir province will not register their car here," said one local Turkish Kurdish politician from the ruling AKP party. "The '21' on your licence plate is often enough to get randomly pulled over and fined. It's just not worth the trouble."

Most people agree dialogue must be reopened and that the Democratic Opening, an ill-fated attempt at rapprochement launched at the end of 2008, was on the right lines.

Recent reports have indicated the AKP may be on the verge of a new peace overture.

"The AKP is wrong when they think they can destroy the PKK through military force," said Vahap Coskun, assistant professor at the Diyarbakir Dicle University. "The PKK's strength does not stem from the approximately 5,000 fighters in the mountains, but from its widespread legitimacy among an important part of the population. For every fighter that they kill, another will go to join them."

Coskun said that the PKK, too, was making a mistake in escalating attacks and violence. "People here are tired of fighting. The PKK's attempts to use the momentum of the Arab spring to incite people to revolt have failed."

He believes that the Kurdish-aligned Peace and Democracy BDP party should encourage peaceful civil disobedience campaigns again, and keep young Kurds from taking up arms.

"There is a massive potential: they have a party, civilian organisations, media, and a very young and mobile mass of people," he said. "If they manage to gather 10,000 people in the streets of Diyarbakir, peacefully demanding mother tongue education, the government would have to acknowledge their request."

This would also put in question the AKP government's use of the "terrorist" label. "The unsuccessful civil disobedience campaign [after the 2011 elections] scared the government, because you cannot label civil disobedience as terrorism," says Coskun.

In his butcher shop in the Diyarbakir city centre, Metin Özsanli, who is a member of the peace committee that has been arbitrating blood feuds, says: "My father has ended 250 blood feuds, and I have ended 65. It is incredible to see that capacity for forgiveness in people."

He added: "We have to talk to both families many, many times, visit them both many times – when only one person has been killed. But over 40,000 people have died in this conflict.

"Prime minister [Recep Tayyip] Erdogan should not give up this easily. It will take many more talks with both sides to end this feud, but I am hopeful that it will end one day."

Copyright © 2011, respective author or news agency, guardian.co.uk

The Turkish crackdown on the country's Kurds and the cultural oppression that goes with it: Report
 
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noch noch noch noch noch .....
what a cruel government turkey has.....we should help our kurd brothers to get freedom.
noch noch noch noch noch.....
wow the same with the greek part of turkey.... they need our help.
 
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Why are all those Iranian users busy trolling the Turkish subforum? Are all other websites censored or is it something else, let's say for example jealousy?
why trolling?lets call it discussion.

jealousy? huh
jealousy for your falling economy or jealousy for your low science growth?
 
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i did read the article , and find it a little bit interesting, but then check the source and the date, and then read the explanation why this article is posted here.

the only thing i would like to say is a great but a little bit offensive(sorry for this) and slang phrase ''get a life''.
 
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why trolling?lets call it discussion.

jealousy? huh
jealousy for your falling economy or jealousy for your low science growth?

how do you call this

noch noch noch noch noch .....
what a cruel government turkey has.....we should help our kurd brothers to get freedom.
noch noch noch noch noch.....
wow the same with the greek part of turkey.... they need our help.

Shall we talk about human rights in Iran first, which are obviously worse? Do I go to the Iranian subforum and open non-defence threads with just the purpose of trolling?
 
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Why are all those Iranian users busy trolling the Turkish subforum? Are all other websites censored or is it something else, let's say for example jealousy?

So where are you when Turkish members troll and lie about Iran and Azeris in Iran,maybe you are one of those troll,right?
It is a fact about Kurds,if you can't discuss it or answer it,then go to another forum.

did read the article , and find it a little bit interesting, but then check the source and the date, and then read the explanation why this article is posted here.

the only thing i would like to say is a great but a little bit offensive(sorry for this) and slang phrase ''get a life''.

Just look at this Turkish sub forum,how many topic about Azeris in Iran (full of lies of course) which has nothing to do with Turkey are posted here,so first ask your Turkish mates to get a life,then we will talk.

Shall we talk about human rights in Iran first, which are obviously worse? Do I go to the Iranian subforum and open non-defence threads with just the purpose of trolling?
Are these troll topic that your friends made about defence?
http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey-defence/187263-persia-nationalism-azeri-assimilation-discuss-like-human-being.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey-defence/187732-turkey-s-syria-stance-aggravates-plight-iran-s-turks.html

It's a pity.
 
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So where are you when Turkish members troll and lie about Iran and Azeris in Iran,maybe you are one of those troll,right?
It is a fact about Kurds,if you can't discuss it or answer it,then go to another forum.

Did you read what I posted after that? What I meant with trolling?
 
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how do you call this



Shall we talk about human rights in Iran first, which are obviously worse? Do I go to the Iranian subforum and open non-defence threads with just the purpose of trolling?
you dont but your friends do.so if you wanne a peaceful PDF its better to respect other nations best.if not ...
 
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Just look at this Turkish sub forum,how many topic about Azeris in Iran (full of lies of course) which has nothing to do with Turkey are posted here,so first ask your Turkish mates to get a life,then we will talk.

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as you said it is turkish section, so you can't act in suprised way, and complain; otherwise there is a rule against it, right?

Regards.
 
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you dont but your friends do.so if you wanne a peaceful PDF its better to respect other nations best.if not ...

You have to accept that there are with a high certainity more nationalistic/rassistic/in general more radical people underway in a defence related forum. This is the Turkish subforum and this is the playground of ours, so don't take it serious if people act like they'd like to take your country away from you. In reality people are nothing like that.
 
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You have to accept that there are with a high certainity more nationalistic/rassistic/in general more radical people underway in a defence related forum. This is the Turkish subforum and this is the playground of ours, so don't take it serious if people act like they'd like to take your country away from you. In reality people are nothing like that.
being nationalist doesnt mean being racist.but some members here has crossed our RED line.and they forced us to do the same way.so plz ask your friends to be polite about other nations.
mate,we dont hate turkish people at all.i myself love turkey alot.its why i every year select Turkey for a trip.and next week i will visit turkey again.but it doesnt make me stand some people here insult my lovely and beautiful country.
teşekkürler!
 
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being nationalist doesnt mean being racist.but some members here has crossed our RED line.and they forced us to do the same way.so plz ask your friends to be polite about other nations.
mate,we dont hate turkish people at all.i myself love turkey alot.its why i every year select Turkey for a trip.and next week i will visit turkey again.but it doesnt make me stand some people here insult my lovely and beautiful country.
teşekkürler!

I didnt get involved in Iran related threads for a while because they always end in a shi.tstorm. A little bit Shia vs. Sunni, a bit Arab vs. Persian vs. Turk and of course geopolitics, there is no way that those threads dont end fucked up.
 
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