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East Turkistan, also known as the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of China, lies in the very heart of Asia. Situated along the fabled ancient Silk Road, it has been a prominent centertur of commerce for more than 2000 years. The land of East turkistan gave birth to many great civilizations and at various points of history it has been a cradle of scholarship, culture and power.

The current territorial size of East Turkistan is 1.82 million square kilometers. The neighbouring Chinese province annexed part of the territory as a result of the Chinese communist invasion of 1949.

East Turkistan borders with China and Mongolia to the east, Russia to the north, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India to the west, and Tibet to the south.

East Turkistan has a rich history and a diverse geography. It has grand deserts, magnificent mountains, and beautiful rivers, grasslands and forests.

The Manchu Invasion
The independent Uyghur Kingdom in East Turkistan—the Seyyid Kingdom, also known as Yarkent kingdom, was invaded by Manchu rulers of China in 1759 and the East Turkistan was annexed to the Manchu Empire. The Manchus ruled East Turkistan as a military colony from 1759 to 1862. During this period, the Uyghurs and other people in East Turkistan valiantly opposed the foreign rule in their land. They revolted 42 times against Manchu rule with the purpose of regaining their independence. The Manchu were finally expelled in 1864 and Uyghurs established Yetteshahar State. However, the independence was short lived, Manchus invaded the East Turkistan again in 1876. After eight years of bloody war, the Manchu empire formally annexed East Turkistan into its territories and renamed it “Xinjiang” (meaning “New Territory”) on November 18, 1884.

Chinese Rule in East turkistan
After Chinese Nationalists overthrew the Manchu Empire in 1911, East Turkistan fell under the rule of warlords of Chinese ethnicity who came to dominate provincial administration in the later years of Manchu Empire. The Chinese central government had little control over East Turkistan at this period. The Uyghurs, who wanted to free themselves from foreign domination, staged numerous uprisings against Chinese rule, and twice (once in 1933 and 1944) succeeded in setting up an independent East Turkistan Republic (ETR). However, these independent republics were overthrown by the military intervention and political intrigue of the Soviet Union.

In October of 1949, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops marched into East Turkistan, effectively ending the ETR. The Chinese communists organized Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in the territory of East Turkistan.

The Chinese communist reign in East Turkistan can be considered the darkest chapters in the history of Uyghurs and East Turkistan. Under the current conditions, the very existence of Uyghur nation is under threat. The Chinese communist government has been carrying out a vicious campaign against Uyghurs and other indigenous people of East Turkistan in order to permanently annex the lands of East Turkistan.

Despite all the brutal and destructive campaigns by the Chinese government against the identity and existence, the Uyghurs and other indigenous people of East turkistan refuse to be subjugated by China and are carrying on resistance torch, handed down to them by their ancestors, against Chinese occupation.

People

East turkistan is the homeland of the Turkic speaking Uyghurs and other Central Asian peoples such as Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tatars and Tajiks.

According to latest Chinese census in 2010, the current population of East Turkistan is 21.81 million including 8.75 million ethnic Han Chinese (40,1%) illegal settled in East Turkistan after 1949 (the ethnic Han Chinese numbered 200,000 in 1949). The Uyghurs make up at least 11 million of the population, although the 2002 census listed the number as around 10.2 million and still constitute the majority of East Turkistan. However, the population shifts more and more in favor of the Han Chinese and make the Uyghurs strangers in their own land. However, Uyghur sources put the real population of Uyghurs around 20 million.

East Turkistan is located beyond the logical boundary of China, the Great Wall. Historically and culturally, East Turkistan is part of Central Asia, not of China. The people of East Turkistan are not Chinese; they are Turks of Central Asia.

Records show that the Uyghurs have a history of more than 4000 years in East Turkistan.

Throughout the history, independent states established by the ancestors of Uyghurs and other indigenous people thrived and prospered in the lands of East tTurkistan. Situated along a section of the legendary Silk Road, Uyghurs played an important role in cultural exchanges between the East and West and developed a unique culture and civilization of their own.

In the early history, the Uyghurs, like most of the other Turkic peoples of Central Asia, believed in Shamanism, Manichesim and Buddhism. Starting from 1St century A.D and until the arrival of Islam, East turkistan became one the great centers of Buddhist civilization.

Contacts between Uyghurs and Muslims started at the beginning of 9th century and conversion to Islam began. During the reign of Karahanidin kings, the Islamization of Uyghur society accelerated. Kashgar, the capital of Karahadin Kingdom, quickly became one of the major learning centers of Islam. Art, sciences, music and literature flourished as Islamic religious institutions nurtured the pursuit of an advanced culture. In this period, hundreds of world-renowned Uyghur scholars emerged. Thousands of valuable books were written. Among these works, the Uyghur scholar Yusup Has Hajip’s book, Kutadku Bilig (The knowledge for Happiness, 1069-1070) and Mahmud Kashgar’s Divan-I Lugat-it Turk (a dictionary of Turk language) are most influential.

Geography
East turkistan covers an area of 1.82 million square kilometers, which is twice as large as the Republic of Turkey or four times as large as the American state of California. More than 43 percent of East turkistan is covered by deserts and another 40 percent is covered by mountain ranges.

The main characteristic of this huge land is two basins bounded by three mountain ranges. The two basins are Tarim basin in the south, which is 530,000 square kilometer, and the Junggar basin in the north, which covers an area of 304.200 square kilometers. Tarim basin contains one of the largest deserts in the world—the Taklamakan desert. The Junggar basin contains the Kurbantunggut desert.

Tengritagh mountain (Heavenly mountain) crosses the central part of East Turkistan dividing the country into south and north. Within East Turkistan, the Tengritagh mountain is 1700 kilometers long and 250-300 kilometers wide. Altay mountain in north forms the border of East Turkistan, Mongolia, Russia and Kazakhstan. Its section within East Turkistan is 400 kilometers. The Kunlun mountain is the south is the border between East Turkistan and Tibet.

The most important rivers are the Tarim river (2137 km long), flowing almost the whole length of southern part of East turkistan and empties into desert; the Ili river, flows west into the Kazakhstan and eventually flows into Lake Balqash; the Irtish river flows northwest out of East turkistan into the Arctic Ocean; the Karashaar river, flows east from central Tengritagh into Lake Baghrash; the Konche river, starting from the Baghrash lake, originally flows into Lopnur Lake, but now disappears in the desert long before reaching the lake.

Language
Uyghur formerly known as Eastern Turki is a Turkic language spoken in East turkistan mainly, by the Uyghur ethnic group.

It is spoken around 20 million in East turkistan. Uyghur is also spoken by some 1.000,000 in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and there are Uyghur-speaking communities in Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Mongolia, Noway, Netherlands, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sweden, Switzerland, Tajikistan, Turkey, United Kingdom, USA, and Egypt.

Like many other Turkic languages, Uyghur displays vowel harmony and agglutination, lacks noun classes or grammatical gender, and is a left-branching language with Subject Object Verb word order.

Classification
The Uyghur language belongs to the Uyghuric or Southeastern group of the Turkic language family, which is controversially a branch of the Altaic language family.

The languages most closely related to it include Uzbek, Ili Turki, and Aini. Some linguists consider the Turkic languages to be part of the larger Altaic language family, but others believe there is not enough evidence to support this.

Early linguistic scholarly studies of Uyghur include Julius Klaproth’s 1812 Dissertation on language and script of the Uighurs (Abhandlung über die Sprache und Schrift der Uiguren) which was disputed by Isaak Jakob Schmidt. In this period, Klaproth correctly asserted that Uyghur was a Turkic language, while Schmidt believed that Uyghur should be classified with Tangut languages.

History
Old Uyghur or Old Turkic is an ancient form of Turkic used from the 7th to the 13th centuries in Mongolia and the Uyghurstan/East turkistan region, in particular in the Orkhon inscriptions and Turpan texts. It is the direct ancestor of the Southeastern Turkic, or Uyghur-Chaghatai, family of languages, including the modern Uyghur and Uzbek languages. By contrast, Yugur, although in geographic proximity, is more closely related to the northeastern Turkic languages in Siberia.

During the 11th century, a scholar of the Turkic languages, Mahmud al-Kashgari (Memhud Qeshqeri) from Kashgar in modern-day Xinjiang, published the first Turkic language dictionary and description of the geographic distribution of many Turkic languages Compendium of the Turkic Dialects (Divān-ul Lughat-ul Turk).

Old Uyghur, through the influence of Perso-Arabic after the 13th century, developed into the Chagatai language, a literary language used all across central Asia until the early 20th century. After Chaghatai fell into extinction, the standard versions of Uyghur and Uzbek were developed from dialects in the Chaghatai-speaking region, showing abundant Chaghatai influence. Uyghur language today shows considerable Persian influence as a result from Chaghatai, including numerous Persian loanwords. Modern Uyghur uses the Urumchi dialect in Xinjiang as its standard, while the similar Ili dialect is used in the former Soviet Union. Russian sources cite the central dialect of Ghulja (Ili Kazakh Autonomous Prefecture) as the pronunciation norm for modern Standard Uyghur. The similar pronunciation of Zhetysu and Fergana Uyghurs is considered standard for Uyghurs living in the CIS countries.

Uyghur Culture
Toward the end of the 19th century and into the first decades of the 20th, scientific and archaeological expeditions to the region of Eastern turkistan´s Silk Road discovered numerous cave temples, monastery ruins, wall paintings, as well as valuable miniatures, books and documents. Explorers from Europe, America and even Japan were amazed by the art treasures found there, and soon their reports caught the attention of an interested public around the world. These relics of the Uyghur culture constitute today major collections in the museums of Berlin, London, Paris, Tokyo, St. Petersburg and New Delhi. The manuscripts and documents discovered in Eastern turkistan reveal the very high degree of civilization attained by the Uyghurs. This Uyghur power, prestige and civilization, which dominated the Central Asia for over a thousand years, went into a steep decline after the [Manchu] invasion of their homeland.

Uyghur Music

Uyghur music embraces several distinct regional styles, product of the geography and complex history of the region, whose oasis kingdoms, separated by mountains and deserts, have been subject through the course of history to rule by many different outside forces. The musical traditions of the southern oasis towns of Khotan and Kashgar are more closely allied to the classical Central Asian traditions of Bukhara and Samarkand, while the music of the easternmost oasis town of Qumul has closer links to the music of Northwest China. Each of the region’s oasis towns have to this day maintained their own distinctive sound and repertoire, but they are linked by a common language and overarching culture, maintained by constant communication through trade and movement of peoples. Musically there is much to link these local traditions, in terms of instruments, genres, styles and contexts.

The most prestigious and well-known genre of Uyghur music is the muqam, the large-scale suites of sung, instrumental and dance music. In addition to the muqam the Uyghurs maintain popular traditions of sung epic tales (dastan) and other forms of narrative song (qoshaq, läpär, äytshish and mäddhi namä); suites of dance music (sänäm); instrumental music; musical genres linked to the ceremonies of the Sufis, and a huge repertoire of folksongs which commonly dwell on the suffering of life on earth and the torments of frustrated love. Contrary to the common perception of Islam in the West as hostile to music, amongst the Uyghurs many traditional musical contexts are linked to the religion, largely due to the influence of the Sufis who use music to express and promote their faith. Today these traditional genres compete with a lively pop music industry and the music of the professional, state-sponsored troupes.

[Excerpted from Dr. Rachel Harris & Yasin MuhpulOriginally Published 2002. Encyclopedia of the Turks, vol. 6. Istanbul: Yeni Turkiye, p. 542-9.]

Uyghur Literature
The Uyghur have a long and rich literary history befitting a people that once ruled a great empire in Central Asia. As soldiers and diplomats and as educators they have always been known as an educated people. The Uyghur have been printing their own books for many hundreds of years prior to the invention of the Guttenberg press. The earliest Uyghur literature revolved around the translation of religious texts both Buddhist and Manichean but also included narrative, epic and poetic works.

After converting to Islam the Uyghurs continued being cultural giants of Central Asia and Uyghur literature entered a golden era with it’s cultural centre being based in Kashgar. In the 11th century Yusuf Has Hajib wrote “Kutat-Ku Bilik” (Blessings and Wisdom) Other literature from that time include “Divan-i Lugat-it Turk” an encyclopedic dictionary and “Kitabu Cevahir-im nahr fi Lugat-it Turki” a work on grammar written by Mahmut Kasgari and “Atabetul Hakayik” by Ahmet Yukneki. All of these works came from Kashgar and confirmed Kashgar as being the centre of Uyghur culture and literature. The middle ages also witnessed the literature, poetry and music of the Chinese being significantly influenced by the Uighurs.

The ABC of Truth compiled by Ahmat Yuknaki in the 12th century is an outstanding poem in feeling and story.During the Mongol Yuan dynasty, the Uyghur nationality made great contributions to the unity of the country, the expansion of production and the flowering of culture and science. Notables of the period include military theorists Ark Hiya and BarqukArt Tikin; the statesmen; Bruhiya, Lion Xixian and Hisson, Guan Yunshi, also a noted poet and writer; Lianhuishan Hiya, a historian who compiled andrevised the History of Liao Dynasty; Lu Mingshan,agronomist and writer of The Fundamentals of Agriculture, Sericulture, Clothing and Food; Sinku Sail, a great translator who was a master of the Han, Weiwu, Mongolian, Tibetan and Sanskrit languages.

After theYuan dynasty, the Uyghurs also produced many famous writers, historians and scientists. Notable writings in Uyghur include the poem “Flower and Spring” by Lutfin in the 15th century; the long lyrical “Love and LaborPoem” by Kirkiti (1634-1672); lyrics by Zalili; (1685-1759); Collection of Love Poems by Abdureyim Hizari (1770- 1848) who was brought up in Kashi, of which Rabiya–Saydin parhad–Xirin and layli–Majnunhave long been on the lips of people; Biography of Hojas, written between 1768 and 1769 by Muhammad Sadik Kaxkari; the History of Hamedee from the 19th century by Molla Msa Sayrami; and the History of Kaxkariya. The 18th century saw a pentalingual dictionary written with the Chinese title “Wuti Qinwen jian” which has 18,000 entries and covers the Chinese, Mongolian, Tibetean, Manchu and Uyghur Languages. Maulabilalibin Maulayusuf wrote also in that century the Epic „War on Chinese Land” a work describing the struggle in 1864 with the Chinese.

The 17th and 18th centuries also saw the beginnings of western interest in Uyghur literature particularly from the Russians thus giving rise to the Western Turkologist Gunnar Jarring a Swedish Turkologist gathered many significant collections particularly from Kashgar and Hotan during his visit to Kashmir 1929-1930. These works are very important to the classification of the general Turkish language. Among the works Jarring documented were historical, ethnological texts, proverbs and poetry, riddles and fairy tales. Uyghur fairy tales follow similar veins as Western fairy tales with heroes, strong characters, the triumph of love and tales of justice and injustice, avarice, cruelty and foolishness.

20th century authors include Ziya Samedi, Abdurrahaman Gur, Teyupcan LLiyup and Zunan Kadir (1912-1989). Samedi wrote a number of historical novels such as “Secrets of Years”, “Mr. Ahmadjan Khasimi”,”Mayimhan”, and “Gheni, the Brave”. In the 1980s, Samedi was honored with the Kazakhstan People’s Writer Award, recognizing his unprecedented contribution tothe Uyghur literature. Kadir was an influential writer whose main themes revolved around the Uyghur and their experiences resisting cultural domination and attempted to promote the maintenance of Uyghur cultural integrity.

Uyghur Medicine

The Uyghurs had an extensive knowledge of medicine and medical practice. Chinese Song Dynasty (906–960) sources indicate that a Uyghur physician named Nanto traveled to China and brought with him many kinds of medicine unknown to the Chinese. There were 103 different herbs used in Uyghur medicine recorded in a medical compendium by Li Shizhen (1518–1593), a Chinese medical authority. Tatar scholar, professor Reşit Rahmeti Arat in Zur Heilkunde der Uighuren (Medical Practices of the Uyghurs) published in 1930 and 1932, in Berlin, discussed Uyghur medicine. Relying on a sketch of a man with an explanation of acupuncture, he and some Western scholars suspect that acupuncture was not a Chinese, but a Uyghur discovery.

Today, traditional Uyghur medicine can still be found at street stands. Similar to other traditional medicine, diagnosis is usually made through checking the pulse, symptoms, and disease history, and then the pharmacist pounds up different dried herbs, making personalized medicines according to the prescription. Modern Uyghur medical hospitals adopted the Western medical science and medicine and adopted Western pharmaceutical technology to discover new and produce traditional medicines.

National Flag and Emblem

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The National Flag of East Turkistan

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The National Emblem of East Turkistan
https://www.uyghurcongress.org/en/?page_id=29681
 
Sticky threads are mostly defense related bro’s so It is better to put this thread in here. Just inform me when someone posted offtopic...
 
East Turkistan
I have actually met some Uighurs in real life. There is a small community of them in Islamabad area. As I said in the other thread there is far more common ground between Pakistani's and Uighurs, then there is with mainland Chinese. This is a fact that nobody can deny. The food, culture etc is something we can relate with. Like I said business is business but we can't deny this reality.

You should tag me if/when one my people does something inappopriate.
I have enough real life interactions with Turks that your country holds special place in my heart. When I retire Turkey might even be a place where I might live. My daughter absolutely loves Turkey. She was exposed to the Turkish slant toward Pakistani's when last year she went to Germany on a student exchange at Humboldt University, Berlin. There she was taken in by German Turks as one of their own. So some idiots on PDF are not going to change my views.

* When they asked her origins and she said 'Pakistan' that was it.
 
I have actually met some Uighurs in real life. There is a small community of them in Islamabad area. As I said in the other thread there is far more common ground between Pakistani's and Uighurs, then there is with mainland Chinese. This is a fact that nobody can deny. The food, culture etc is something we can relate with. Like I said business is business but we can't deny this reality.
I have many Uyghur friends in TR,NL,N,Ger and Sweden.
You should hear the stories.
 
Are there any members from Kazakhstan ? I was wondering if they would contribute to this topic.
 
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A photographic journey through a region whose identity is threatened by “sinicization.”

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A man put an embroidered doppa (the traditional cap) on his son. © Maxime Crozet


Until a few years ago, the region had a majority of Uyghurs
, a Sunni Muslim people speaking a Turkic language, and also included Kazakh, Hui, Kyrgyz, Mongol, Tajik, and other Central Asian minorities. Han Chinese arrived by the millions in the last decades and now amount to 40% of the local population.

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An old Uyghur man in a village near Turpan. © Maxime Crozet

The CCPs strategy, aimed at suffocating any possible hope of autonomy and “sinicizing” this border regionThe ferocious repression of Uyghurs and the totalitarian control of all local populations, is now getting even worse.

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An Aksakal (an old and wise man) in his village booth near Turpan. © Maxime Crozet

Traditional urban centers are being destroyed and replaced by Chinese-style buildings, and civilians are involved in the repression under the pretext of security...Even the rare tourists should pass checkpoints, submit themselves to interminable controls, and expect to be repeatedly interrogated.

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Teams of knights compete in the Buzkashi, the signature sport of the nomadic populations of Central Asia. © Maxime Crozet


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Two women of the Tajik minority snuggle together. © Maxime Crozet

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A young girl posing gladly outside her antiquated home. © Maxime Crozet

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Uyghur man in the old city of Kashgar. © Maxime Crozet

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A horde of knights suddenly appears on the horizon in the Karakorum mountain range. © Maxime Crozet


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An Uyghur woman at her home’s door in Kashgar. © Maxime Crozet

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A man affectionately carries his daughter, dressed for a family celebration. © Maxime Crozet
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The source: https://bitterwinter.org/xinjiang-identities-on-borrowed-time/

Anecdote: Despite a foreign website and news, Any Turk member will understand the deep meaning of ''Aksakal'' without any english translation while East Turkestan thousands of kilometres away from Turkey.
 
Do Kazakhs choose the blue colour in their flag for same reason?
Kazakhstan is West Türkistan and Uyghur Turks live in East Turkistan.
There had been thousand years Turkistan states since Chingiz Khan and AltınOrda.
 
I can't believe, in this age, there is such argument based on DNA/ethnicity claims.

What is next: Measuring the size of skull?

Petty attempts on this forum are music to my ear, but, this thread is an affront to the entire forum community. In a defense forum in which we debate national armies, economies, politics based on sovereign (albeit some contested) entitlements of nation-states, threads that claim universal ethnic-religious pan-ideas are, at the least, insulting to the very intelligence of the forum community.

Forum management and mods should not allow this platform to turn into an ethnic-religious zeal fest.

Furthermore, opening up threads based on arguments of ethnic-ilkness or religious-brotherhood will invite others to open up threads all over the place based on other presumed affinities.

For instance, people can open up threads anywhere on this forum about Kurdish political struggle in Kurdistan region of Turkey based on claims of Kurdish being our fellow human species.

Because, eventually, as a species, we are all related.

Or, such threads can be started anywhere based on ideological affinity (just as religion as an ideology), such as leftism, or anti-imperialism.

I do hope that, for the sake of the forum, the moderators and mods will not allow such further affront, and prevent such demonstration of hate-driven ethnic-religious zeal.

@WebMaster , @Horus , @waz , @Dubious , @The Eagle

Note: The OP, World Uighur Congress is a terrorist organization as designated by China. It is as terrorist organization as Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK) can be.

If WUC is a credible source of information, than, multitude of PKK-affiliated sources should be considered legitimate and credible.

I do hope that, moderators and modes will approach this issue from the standpoint of nation-state and ensure impartial treatment.
 
İn the history Kurds never have had an own state whereas Uyghurs had own state.

So Manchurian emperor not just occupied territory also collapsed Uygurs state aka Hanlık. Furthermore Uygurs supported socialist Chinese who had promised freedom . Uyghurs and socialist Chinese people fought against Manchurian emperor to abolish his state.
As always in history those socialists happened to occupy Uygurs land instead of Manchurians. Post PRC socialist acknowledged to legitimate Uygur nation.
 
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