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US economy is not strong enough to weather these economic battles with China, Turkey, and other countries.

Yes it is, it’s the most dynamic economy in the world. The fact their economy is still growing even though they are at a trade war with the rest of the world is incredible, absolutely incredible. Any other country would be deep in a recession by now.
 
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Yes it is, it’s the most dynamic economy in the world. The fact their economy is still growing even though they are at a trade war with the rest of the world is incredible, absolutely incredible. Any other country would be deep in a recession by now.

Indians seem to be pinning their hopes on the US as of now, which is bleeding into every word which you say. Seems you love ailing powers, like the USSR.

Rest of the world is moving away from the dysfunctional US.

Standard of living is decreasing in the US. Roads and bridges are decrepit, infrastructure is outdated. Fracking is destroying water resources and everything is becoming more expensive.

Yes, life is good for 10% Americans who control all these industries, war economies, private prisons/torture centers, petroleum firms, congressmen, senators.

90% Americans are having difficulty with jobs, education, healthcare, loans, mortgages, outcompeted by foreign immigrants and overseas employees.

Trump is feeding the 10% while agitating the other 90% for votes through hate and promoting violence.
 
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Why not just return the pastor?

Aiding and abetting terrorism!


Massage is loud and clear, release the American or we will woop our *** so bad you will beg us to show mercy.

The message from Turkey is louder, stop aiding terrorists or else be ready for a lot worse than just tariffs on US imports.


Yes it is, it’s the most dynamic economy in the world. The fact their economy is still growing even though they are at a trade war with the rest of the world is incredible, absolutely incredible. Any other country would be deep in a recession by now.

Cooked up figures!
 
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Today, S&P decreased the credit note of Turkey into the level of where Greece is. Same Greece which officially declared its bankruptcy that has a dept to GDP rate around %260 now. On the other hand, We are talking about a country Turkey having a GDP purchasing power around ~2,5trillion$ which has an active and advancing industry, rising export figures, increasing capacity usage rate, ~8 billion dolar defense industry contract and 40-45 million tourist/30billion$ tourism income in this year. Central bank itself had 140 billion$ reserve but 20-30 billion $ is used in recent days but acc to S&P, We are the same level with Greece. I don’t know you but It tells many things to me.


Turkey is a very small economy on a global scale and stands alone. Greece is part of the Euro zone and under the Umbrella of economic giants like Germany, France Italy and the UK. You may diss Italy but should ot forget that Ferrari alone has a greater value than almost all Top 10 Turkish stock rated corporations combined. The ECB guaranteed that Greece will never go bancrupt.

Turkey does not have this security shield.

And one thing, those problems you face are homegrown. You have a corrupted system where your president makes his son in law minister. You arrest hundredthousands of people. There is no division between judicative, executive and legislative. All economic experts say Turkey MUST raise interest rates but Erdogan doesnt understand economy.

All this combined scares investors away. Trump only throws gas into a already burning hut.

If you dont see internal mistakes you will never find a solution.

The numbers you brought up show how small your point of view is. You have a 30 billion tourism income? Within one day the 15 billion help from quatar evaporated into the void. So it takes 2 days to evaporate your annual tourism income.

In the last two weeks alone Turkey lost one quarter of its income and purchasing power.
 
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A lot of wishful thinking against Turkey. Enemies of Turks have always realized the hard way, never underestimate this strong resilient people.

Ask the Greeks, ask Russians, ask the British.

“Give me an army of Turks, and I would conquer the world.” -Napoléon
 
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A lot of wishful thinking against Turkey. Enemies of Turks have always realized the hard way, never underestimate this strong resilient people.

Ask the Greeks, ask Russians, ask the British.

“Give me an army of Turks, and I would conquer the world.” -Napoléon

Ask the Greeks? They started a sucessfull rebellion against their turkish opressors and kicked the Turks out of Greece and the Aegean sea.

Ask the Russians? Russia cleansed the entire northern black sea coast from Turkish presence.

Ask the British? The Birtish destroyed the Turks completly in the middle east and broke the ottoman empire apart.

You know who kicked Turkey out of Northern Africa? Italy. And it was a short war. Your military view point seems very selective.
 
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Aiding and abetting terrorism!



The message from Turkey is louder, stop aiding terrorists or else be ready for a lot worse than just tariffs on US imports.




Cooked up figures!

Is that a threat ? We have enough nukes to take down whole world 15 times.

For every one American live we will kill 1000 turks or Muslims or brownies or whatever you call them.
 
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Italy can't even move a stone without alliances. And whole western could achieve success against Ottoman Empire under one condition ; Alliance


Wrong. The Italian - Turkey war was a war between Italy and Ottoman Empire. The ottoman Empire capitulaed after a few weeks and gave us entire Libya in 1911.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo-Turkish_War

This war also gave us the Dodecanese Islands including Rhodes, which we later gave Greece as a gift.
 
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Ask the Greeks? They started a sucessfull rebellion against their turkish opressors and kicked the Turks out of Greece and the Aegean sea.

Ask the Russians? Russia cleansed the entire northern black sea coast from Turkish presence.

Ask the British? The Birtish destroyed the Turks completly in the middle east and broke the ottoman empire apart.

You know who kicked Turkey out of Northern Africa? Italy. And it was a short war. Your military view point seems very selective.

You didn’t mention Turkish victories to recover their land and create modern Turkey. Victory at Çanakkale, repelling Greeks from the Turkish mainland, victory in North Cyprus, Generations war between Russia and Turkey in which both lost and won at times.

If we include Golden Horde history, complete occupation of Russia, Caucasus, and Balkans.

How long did Ottoman Turkey rule over Eastern Europe, do you even remember?

Your North African campaign was frustrated by penniless Bedouins led by a former Quran teacher. Libya was a complete disaster and Omar Mukhtar is remembered to this day. Failure of Mussolini and Graziani.

Watch ‘Lion of the Desert’ starring Anthony Quinn. It details Omar Mukhtar’s whole story. Watched by millions of Arabs and Muslims worldwide to this day.

Is that a threat ? We have enough nukes to take down whole world 15 times.

For every one American live we will kill 1000 turks or Muslims or brownies or whatever you call them.

You are an idiot and you don’t speak for all Americans. Sit down and let the adults talk.
 
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You didn’t mention Turkish victories to recover their land and create modern Turkey. Victory at Çanakkale, repelling Greeks from the Turkish mainland, victory in North Cyprus, Generations war between Russia and Turkey in which both lost and won at times.

If we include Golden Horde history, complete occupation of Russia, Caucasus, and Balkans.

How long did Ottoman Turkey rule over Eastern Europe, do you even remember?

Your North African campaign was frustrated by penniless Bedouins led by a former Quran teacher. Libya was a complete disaster and Omar Mukhtar is remembered to this day. Failure of Mussolini and Graziani.

Watch ‘Lion of the Desert’ starring Anthony Quinn. It details Omar Mukhtar’s whole story. Watched by millions of Arabs and Muslims worldwide to this day.



You are an idiot and you don’t speak for all Americans. Sit down and let the adults talk.

We Cut libyan Population by 50%.

You also ignore that the italian City states defeated ottoman Empire attempts to invade us again and again. Im interested If you Honor that as Well. If you are unbiased and acknowledge our ability to repell the ottomans. But i guess you are blind regarding that.
 
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Salaam

I think looking at this solely from the short term win loss scenario doesn't do it justice. The consequences of this whole situation may be bad for Turkey short term or even long term, but the US isn't getting out of this without a scratch either.

The US is essentially bullying an old ally, and using all manner of economic and other means to try and force the issue. Yes, short term it may help, but this will make the other countries see how unpredictable the US is. No one wants to be bullied and in the long term countries will try to move towards solutions that help them secure their interests.

Everyone has seen that if it can be Turkey today (for whatever transgressions) it can be them as well. So slowly they will start to work towards trying to ensure they don't fall for the se trap again.

when the Americans put sanctions on Pakistan during the 90s, it didn't stop the Pakistanis from looking after their interests. The PAF did suffer temporary capability loss but it eventually led to the JF17 program and other such defence related programs.

The fact is that even if the Turks do suffer temporarily, such a large nation with such a well diversified economy isn't going to disappear from the face of the earth. It will just force them (and many others who are observing) to rethink their relationship with the US and others.

The US isn't the only big fish in the the pond anymore.
 
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We Cut libyan Population by 50%.

You also ignore that the italian City states defeated ottoman Empire attempts to invade us again and again. Im interested If you Honor that as Well. If you are unbiased and acknowledge our ability to repell the ottomans. But i guess you are blind regarding that.
Marcus .Libya was colony every time for italy but right now it is french colony . you lost to france why are you still barking
 
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Marcus .Libya was colony every time for italy but right now it is french colony . you lost to france why are you still barking

Italy only can take what bigger states allow them to take :D Italy always is at second league in Europe. By the way @Tiberius says it was one-on-one war at Libya. Maybe Italy's one front but Ottoman's one of the fronts at the same time. So Italy just a little oppurtunist, nothing more.
 
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