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Turkey retaliates after Syrian government shelling kills 5 troops
Ankara hits more than 100 enemy targets after deadly attack in Idlib, with ruling party spokesperson ruling out retreat.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...-shelling-kills-5-troops-200210201602891.html

by Andrew Wilks
10 Feb 2020 22:10 GMT

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Five Turkish soldiers were killed on Monday in a Syrian army attack in Idlib, threatening further escalation after a deadly artillery strike last week [Khalil Ashawi/Reuters]

Ankara, Turkey - An attack by Syrian government forces killed five Turkish soldiers in northwest Syria on Monday, threatening further escalation in the region after another deadly artillery strike last week.

Turkish defence officials said five other troops were wounded in "intense" shelling in Taftanaz in the northwestern province of Idlib, the last rebel-held stronghold in Syria.

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Turkey immediately responded and "neutralised" more than 100 enemy targets, the defence ministry said in a statement.

"A heinous attack occurred today in Idlib, where our military serves, pursuant to our rights under international law, to end the violence and mitigate the humanitarian crisis," Fahrettin Altun, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's communications director, wrote on Twitter.

"Turkey retaliated against the attack to destroy all enemy targets and avenging our fallen troops. The war criminal, who ordered today's heinous attack, targeted the entire international community, not just Turkey."

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu commented that Ankara had "responded to the cowards", adding: "Our glorious army will continue to do what is necessary."

Last week, eight Turkish military personnel were killed in a similar attack on Saraqeb, south of Taftanaz. The Turkish response at the time left at least 13 Syrian soldiers dead.

Following that attack, Ankara warned Syrian government forces to retreat to lines agreed in a 2018 ceasefire by the end of February. However, Syria's military promised to continue its campaign, which is focused on seizing two highways linking Aleppo to other government-controlled areas.

The most recent attack came as a Russian delegation arrived in Ankara for further talks on fighting in Syria. Russia and Iran support Syrian President Bashar al-Assad while Turkey backs some of the opposition groups that have made Idlib their final stronghold.

Omer Celik, a spokesperson for Turkey's ruling Justice and Development Party, said Erdogan could meet with his counterpart Russian President Vladimir Putin if the talks reached a stalemate.

"Negotiations are ongoing with the visiting delegation and, so far, no concrete conclusion has been reached," he said. "The Turkish side has made its own concrete position very clear. Negotiations will continue."

Celik added: "The Turkish Armed Forces will continue their efforts in Idlib until the regime withdraws."

Soner Cagaptay, director of the Turkish research programme at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said Turkey would call on Moscow to put pressure on the Syrian government.

"Assad regime forces killed 13 Turkish troops in one week alone," he said. "Ankara has to punish Assad and Russia has to agree to this, but that doesn't mean Putin will allow Erdogan steamroll Assad completely out of Idlib."

Astana process 'in danger'
Murat Aslan, a security analyst at the Foundation for Political, Economic and Social Research in Ankara, accused Russia of supporting the attacks on Turkish troops while engaging in diplomacy.

"The Assad regime is dependent and loyal to Russia and all the attacks by Assad forces are backed by either Iran or Russia," he said.

"We know the aircraft that bomb the area are from the Russian side so there's a kind of coordination between the Assad regime and Russia that directly targets Turkish forces and civilians.

"On the one hand, the Russians are negotiating with Turkey in Ankara, and on the other, they are pushing on the ground by backing the Assad regime."

Referring to a past agreement between Turkey, Russia and Iran to deliver peace to Syria and establish a post-conflict political solution, Aslan added: "The current situation is very tense and the Astana process seem to be in danger because of attacks on the Turkish observation posts.

"If these attacks continue the meaning of the Astana process will be lost."

Turkey has established a dozen observation posts in Idlib. These came under pressure when Syrian government forces resumed their offensive in December, and several have been surrounded.

Over the past week, Turkey has sent thousands of troops as well as equipment, including tanks and armoured personnel carriers, into Idlib in an effort to slow the Syrian army's advance, which has sent nearly 700,000 displaced civilians fleeing towards the Turkish border.

Speaking as a meeting of senior security and government officials, including Erdogan, was under way in Ankara, Celik ruled out the possibility of a Turkish retreat.

"Our observation points will continue with determination in accordance with the orders given," he said.

"There is no possibility of withdrawal from the observation points in any way."

Ali Bakeer, an Ankara-based political analyst and researcher, said Turkey needed to reiterate its demands in Idlib. "Remaining in a defensive position without a firm red line and a clear mandate will only make the soldiers and easy target for the Assad regime," he said.

Turkey currently hosts 3.6 million Syrians and has closed its borders, saying it cannot accept more.

"Russia does not want Turkey in Idlib any more, that's clear," Aslan said, adding, however, that "Turkey wants to keep Idlib because if Idlib is lost to the Assad regime there will be a huge wave of immigrants to the Turkish border."

"Turkey does not want to see a humanitarian catastrophe in Idlib."

SOURCE: AL JAZEERA NEWS

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  • Turkey immediately responded and "neutralised" more than 100 enemy targets, the defence ministry said in a statement.
@Uguduwa

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i mean what turkey doing.. I have no idea..maybe some Turkish members can clarify

it is simultaneously against both Assad and Kurds, yet its against the Saudis, then its against Europe with Russian and then its in iran group.

i mean its total chaos..turkey should choose solid sides rather than making a completing mess of the situation

just either restrict your self to Kurds or if give Kurds a break and topple Assad or do something that makes sense

Kurds is a reality that's not going anywhere..turkey cannot control Kurds in Syria Iraq or potentially now Iran(if that govt topples..) it should make a working relationship with them and just accept the reality give them some degree of autonomy and self-governance

Assad group=iran=russia group but turkey is also in Iran and Russia group
???
doesn't make any sense
all this just for s400?
against whom? Greece?Syria?
buy an Israeli or USA patriot system..?

turkey IMO should make immense with Kurds and topple Assad govt this will bring stability and stay away from Iran and gets its relationship better with Arabs..it cants afford to make everyone enemy...
right now Arabs, Shias, Europeans, Kurds, everyone seems to be hating Turks...

Turks frequently give the example of Pakistan having issues, but we don't have issues with pushtoons in our country..Kurds do..right now our PM defense ministry and the majority of the cabinet is pushtoon..the army has sizeable pushtoon population and they enjoy autonomy in their own province..
kurds aren't even represented as they don't get the 10% threshold..

now because its such small minority turkey can ignore them but the situation becomes complicated when you count Kurds in Iraq, Syria and iran

situation becomes even more complicated when you see that the Arabs don't like you..now the Arabs encircling you via Eygpt, Greece and Libya

you get it..turkey is digging its own grave
 
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Kurds is a reality that's not going anywhere..turkey cannot control Kurds in Syria Iraq or potentially now Iran(if that govt topples..) it should make a working relationship with them and just accept the reality give them some degree of autonomy and self-governance

Turkey already has good ties with the Kurdistan Regional Government in Iraq under Barzanis.

There can never be any peace with PKK terrorists, Turkey is doing the right thing here.

you get it..turkey is digging its own grave

Actually Russia and the US have both complicated the matter by supporting PKK terrorists in Syria.

Turkey has no choice but to go on the offensive as the plan was to block Syrian rebel areas from Turkey and also to begin terrorism inside Turkey from Syria, with full Assad regime approval.

Similarly, Turkey needs the Eastern Mediterranean clear of enemies to prevent them from sabotaging Turkish plans to begin oil drilling around Cyprus and Bosphorus straits.

Turkey cannot let an unfriendly regime arise in Libya for this very reason, due to the maritime border.

If Turkey stops, it will be caged in and surrounded by enemies.

This exact situation happened to Pakistan and resulted in TTP killing 75,000 Pakistani civilians. Pakistan was forced to more strongly resist being caged in by enemies. Today with Taliban resurgence and victory, Pakostan has finally broken free.

PKK has killed 100,000 in Turkey. We cannot let either situation repeat itself.

Turks frequently give the example of Pakistan having issues, but we don't have issues with pushtoons in our country

I have never seen any Turkish member or any of the Turks I know in my personal life ever say this. What are you talking about?
 
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i mean what turkey doing.. I have no idea..maybe some Turkish members can clarify

it is simultaneously against both Assad and Kurds, yet its against the Saudis, then its against Europe with Russian and then its in iran group.

i mean its total chaos..turkey should choose solid sides rather than making a completing mess of the situation

just either restrict your self to Kurds or if give Kurds a break and topple Assad or do something that makes sense

Kurds is a reality that's not going anywhere..turkey cannot control Kurds in Syria Iraq or potentially now Iran(if that govt topples..) it should make a working relationship with them and just accept the reality give them some degree of autonomy and self-governance

Assad group=iran=russia group but turkey is also in Iran and Russia group
???
doesn't make any sense
all this just for s400?
against whom? Greece?Syria?
buy an Israeli or USA patriot system..?

turkey IMO should make immense with Kurds and topple Assad govt this will bring stability and stay away from Iran and gets its relationship better with Arabs..it cants afford to make everyone enemy...
right now Arabs, Shias, Europeans, Kurds, everyone seems to be hating Turks...

Turks frequently give the example of Pakistan having issues, but we don't have issues with pushtoons in our country..Kurds do..right now our PM defense ministry and the majority of the cabinet is pushtoon..the army has sizeable pushtoon population and they enjoy autonomy in their own province..
kurds aren't even represented as they don't get the 10% threshold..

now because its such small minority turkey can ignore them but the situation becomes complicated when you count Kurds in Iraq, Syria and iran

situation becomes even more complicated when you see that the Arabs don't like you..now the Arabs encircling you via Eygpt, Greece and Libya

you get it..turkey is digging its own grave
In one line: it's Turkey's War of Independence in extension by fighting against enemies in seven different fronts opened by the satanic forces

The Kurdish folks and PKK are two different stuffs. One of the founding fathers of the Turkish Nationalism, Ziya Gokalp, was a Kurd....

All able bodied males in Turkey serve in the army. At any given time 20%+ of the Turkish army are from the Kurdish folks....
 
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Turkey already has good ties with the Kurdistan Regional Government in Iraq under Barzanis.

There can never be any peace with PKK terrorists, Turkey is doing the right thing here.



Actually Russia and the US have both complicated the matter by supporting PKK terrorists in Syria.

Turkey has no choice but to go on the offensive as the plan was to block Syrian rebel areas from Turkey and also to begin terrorism inside Turkey from Syria, with full Assad regime approval.

Similarly, Turkey needs the Eastern Mediterranean clear of enemies to prevent them from sabotaging Turkish plans to begin oil drilling around Cyprus and Bosphorus straits.

Turkey cannot let an unfriendly regime arise in Libya for this very reason, due to the maritime border.

If Turkey stops, it will be caged in and surrounded by enemies.

This exact situation happened to Pakistan and resulted in TTP killing 75,000 Pakistani civilians. Pakistan was forced to more strongly resist being caged in by enemies. Today with Taliban resurgence and victory, Pakostan has finally broken free.

PKK has killed 100,000 in Turkey. We cannot let either situation repeat itself.



I have never seen any Turkish member or any of the Turks I know in my personal life ever say this. What are you talking about?
talk to any kurd anywhere in the world..
PKK is getting it support from kurds
In one line: it's Turkey's War of Independence in extension by fighting against enemies in seven different fronts against the satanic forces
well i suggest turkey should choose it battles carefully depsite all the might turkey has today its just piling up too many enemies
 
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talk to any kurd anywhere in the world..
PKK is getting it support from kurds

Most Kurds of Islamic backgrounds support Turkey, whether in Syria, Turkey, or Iraq.

It is the secular, atheist Communist and Yazidi Kurds who are the base of recruitment for PKK terrorists.

I have many Kurdish and Turkish friends, most of them don't see any difference between them.
 
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i mean what turkey doing.. I have no idea..maybe some Turkish members can clarify

it is simultaneously against both Assad and Kurds, yet its against the Saudis, then its against Europe with Russian and then its in iran group.

i mean its total chaos..turkey should choose solid sides rather than making a completing mess of the situation

just either restrict your self to Kurds or if give Kurds a break and topple Assad or do something that makes sense

Kurds is a reality that's not going anywhere..turkey cannot control Kurds in Syria Iraq or potentially now Iran(if that govt topples..) it should make a working relationship with them and just accept the reality give them some degree of autonomy and self-governance

Assad group=iran=russia group but turkey is also in Iran and Russia group
???
doesn't make any sense
all this just for s400?
against whom? Greece?Syria?
buy an Israeli or USA patriot system..?

turkey IMO should make immense with Kurds and topple Assad govt this will bring stability and stay away from Iran and gets its relationship better with Arabs..it cants afford to make everyone enemy...
right now Arabs, Shias, Europeans, Kurds, everyone seems to be hating Turks...

Turks frequently give the example of Pakistan having issues, but we don't have issues with pushtoons in our country..Kurds do..right now our PM defense ministry and the majority of the cabinet is pushtoon..the army has sizeable pushtoon population and they enjoy autonomy in their own province..
kurds aren't even represented as they don't get the 10% threshold..

now because its such small minority turkey can ignore them but the situation becomes complicated when you count Kurds in Iraq, Syria and iran

situation becomes even more complicated when you see that the Arabs don't like you..now the Arabs encircling you via Eygpt, Greece and Libya

you get it..turkey is digging its own grave
Its erdos favorite game.....musical chairs.:haha:
The problem is that erdo has a real knack for politically alienating old friends before he has made new ones........eventually he wont have any friends left at this rate.:suicide2:
 
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Its erdos favorite game.....musical chairs.:haha:
The problem is that erdo has a real knack for politically alienating old friends before he has made new ones........eventually he wont have any friends left at this rate.:suicide2:
The Turkish folks, by definition, have no "friends" other than themselves....

Turkey is surrounded by the seas on the three sides, and enemies on the four sides...
 
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Most Kurds of Islamic backgrounds support Turkey, whether in Syria, Turkey, or Iraq.

It is the secular, atheist Communist and Yazidi Kurds who are the base of recruitment for PKK terrorists.

I have many Kurdish and Turkish friends, most of them don't see any difference between them.
that doesn't change the fact that more can be done for them especially in Turkish parliament, maybe do away with 10% limit ....or give more autonomy to them as we have for kashmir..ultimately its the Turks who need to figure this out

all of myKurds friend don't like turkey govt but don't hate turks
 
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  • Turkey immediately responded and "neutralised" more than 100 enemy targets, the defence ministry said in a statement.
@Uguduwa

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They can say they hit 1 million targets but who knows the truth. My guess is that Assad and Russia also know what they are doing. If they are so vulnerable against Turkey, they wouldn't have taken such moves.
 
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Its erdos favorite game.....musical chairs.:haha:
The problem is that erdo has a real knack for politically alienating old friends before he has made new ones........eventually he wont have any friends left at this rate.:suicide2:

Actually that doesn't sound like Turkey, but another regime in the region, one that is more popular in Latin America than it's own neighborhood.

Any guess which sectarian regime that is?

that doesn't change the fact that more can be done for them especially in Turkish parliament, maybe do away with 10% limit ....or give more autonomy to them as we have for kashmir..ultimately its the Turks who need to figure this out

all of myKurds friend don't like turkey govt but don't hate turks

One of my best friends is from Raqqa in Syria, he left after Daesh took over and killed his relatives, then PKK came and killed more of his family members. He is Syrian Kurdish, but 100% supports Turkey. There are many people like him among Kurds.

Other Kurds I have met from Turkey, Syria, and Iraq consider themselves allies and friends of Turkey.

There is alot of bad propaganda against Turkey in the West, most of it is lies.

Then again, in the West, I have seen Muhajir and Pukhtoon expats from Pakistan who left because of internal politics and disagreement with most Pakistanis, most were MQM or ANP.
 
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They can say they hit 1 million targets but who knows the truth. My guess is that Assad and Russia also know what they are doing. If they are so vulnerable against Turkey, they wouldn't have taken such moves.
It's not about vulnerability, military targets will always be vulnerable, you can't make them un-vulnerable, just more fortified. It really seems like you're missing the point here.
 
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