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A Furious Turkey Says US Is "Acting Like An Enemy," Demands Washington Brand Kurds "Terrorists" | Zero Hedge

As you might have noticed, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is about to lose his mind with the situation in Syria.

To be sure, the effort to usurp the Bashar al-Assad government wasn’t exactly going as planned in the first place. Regime change always takes time, but the conflict in Syria was dragging into its fifth year by the time the Russians got directly involved and although it did indeed look as though the SAA was on the verge of defeat, the future of the rebellion was far from certain.

But to whatever extent the rebels’ fate was up in the air before September 30, the cause was dealt a devastating blow when Moscow’s warplanes began flying sorties from Latakia and while Ankara and Riyadh were initially willing to sit on the sidelines and see how things played out, once Russia and Hezbollah encircled Aleppo, it was do or die time. The supply lines to Turkey were cut and without a direct intervention by the rebels’ Sunni benefactors, Moscow and Hassan Nasrallah’s army would ultimately move in on Aleppo proper and that, as they say, would be that.

The problem for Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar is optics. That is, everything anyone does in Syria has to be justified by an imaginary “war on terror.” Turkey can’t say it’s intervening to keep the rebels from being defeated by the Russians, and similarly, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the US, France and everyone else needs to preserve the narrative and pretend as though this all doesn't boil down to the West and the Sunnis versus the Russians and the Shiites.

Here’s what we said earlier this month: somehow, Turkey and Saudi Arabia need to figure out how to spin an attack on the YPG and an effort to rescue the opposition at Aleppo as an anti-ISIS operation even though ISIS doesn’t have a large presence in the area.

Well it turns out that’s an impossible task and so, Turkey has resorted to Plan B: a possible false flag bombing and the old “blame the Kurds” strategy.

The attack on military personnel in Ankara this week was claimed by The Kurdistan Freedom Hawks (an offshoot of the PKK) in retaliation for Turkey's aggressive campaign in Cizre (as documented here), but Erdogan has taken the opportunity to remind the world that the PKK and the YPG are largely synonymous. That is, they're both armed groups of non-state actors and if one is a terrorist organization, then so is the other.

Erdogan's anti-Kurd stance is complicated immeasurably by the fact that both the US and Russia support the YPG out of sheer necessity. The group has proven especially adept at battling ISIS and has secured most of the border with Turkey. As we noted way back in August, it was inevtiable that Washington and Ankara would come to blows over the YPG. After all, the US only secured access to Incirlik by acquiescing to Erdogan's crackdown on the PKK, but some of the missions the US was flying from Turkey's air base were in support of the YPG. The whole thing was absurd from the very beginning.

Well now, Turkey is not only set to use the fight against the YPG as an excuse to intervene in Syria on behalf of the Sunni rebels battling to beat back the Russian and Iranian advance, but Ankara is also demanding that the US recognize the YPG as a terrorist group. If Washington refuses, "measure will be taken."

"If the Unites States is really Turkey's friend and ally, then they should recognize the PYD — a Syrian branch of the PKK — as a terrorist organization. If a friend acts as an enemy, then measures should be taken, and they will not be limited to the Incirlik Airbase, Turkey has significant capabilities," Erdogan advisor Seref Malkoc told Bugun newspaper.

So yeah. Turkey just threatened the US. It's notable that Malkoc specifically said actions would go "beyond Incirlik," because pulling access to the base would be the first thing any regional observers would expect from Ankara in the event of a spat with Washington. For Turkey to say that measures will go beyond that, opens the door for Erdogan to become openly hostile towards his NATO allies.

"The only thing we expect from our U.S. ally is to support Turkey with no ifs or buts," PM Ahmet Davutoglu told a news conferenceon Saturday."If 28 Turkish lives have been claimed through a terrorist attack we can only expect them to say any threat against Turkey is a threat against them."

In other words, Turkey is explicitly asking the US to support Ankara's push to invade Syria and not only that, Erdogan wants Washington to sanction attacks on the YPG which the US has overtly armed, trained, and funded. "The disagreement over the YPG risks driving a wedge between the NATO allies at a critical point in Syria's civil war," Reuters wrote on Saturday. "On Friday, a State Department spokesman told reporters Washington would continue to support organizations in Syria that it could count on in the fight against Islamic State - an apparent reference to the YPG."

Right. "Washington will continue to support organizations in Syria that it can count on in the fight against Islamic State." So we suppose that means the US will support Russia. And Iran. And Hezbollah. But most certainly not Turkey, who is the biggest state sponsor of the Islamic State on the face of the planet.

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Poking the bear and poking the Eagle at the same time isn't really the smartest thing to do right now. Does this "Wanna be Atatürk" have a death wish of some kind ? I honestly don't hate turkey but Erdogan right now seems to be bat shit crazy...
 
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all 'kurds' are terrorists now :o:

sounds like genocide talk.


I hope Turkey kicks us out of it's air base. please god do it.

let us leave the area. let the Russians spank the Turks without daddy coming in to save the child.
 
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all 'kurds' are terrorists now :o:

sounds like genocide talk.


I hope Turkey kicks us out of it's air base. please god do it.

let us leave the area. let the Russians spank the Turks without daddy coming in to save the child.
there is an old saying here (vinash kaale viprit bhudee.. meaning when doom is near you loose your mind) first turkey tried everything to make greater turkey a reality for which it armed and financed & trained the ISIS and when kurds stood up against it turkey lost its senses and went after the kurds and figerred the bear now with both NATO and USA showing signs of not bieng a party to turkeis fight gainst the mighty russian bear and china and kurds turkey wants to be seen as a martyr so sad to see the nation like turkey getting wasted .
 
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I have listened the speech.

Turkey Asks US to brand PYD as "Terrorists" not Kurds.

There is a huge difference. These organizations can't represent all Kurdish population as they claim. PKK is a recognized terrorist organization and PYD is its Syrian branch. So they are terrorists too.

Orginal or not, this title is misleading. @waz, can you take care of it please bro.
 
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All Kurds are not terrorists, they are living inside famous areas of Istanbul. Don't try to mix the facts. Turks never considered Kurds as terrorists as a complete race but Kurdish fighters are terrorists and they have multiple groups which are being funded by Iran, US itself & other power players of great game.

Turkey is being isolated by their own NATO allies when Russia and Iran is tightening the grip against Turkey. Its a mistake of Turkey to support Saudi policies in the region. Its results will be devastating because Saudis possess a Wahabi ideology whereas Turks are Sunnis. Wahabi goals are completely different from that of Sunnis.
 
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A Furious Turkey Says US Is "Acting Like An Enemy," Demands Washington Brand Kurds "Terrorists" | Zero Hedge

As you might have noticed, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is about to lose his mind with the situation in Syria.

To be sure, the effort to usurp the Bashar al-Assad government wasn’t exactly going as planned in the first place. Regime change always takes time, but the conflict in Syria was dragging into its fifth year by the time the Russians got directly involved and although it did indeed look as though the SAA was on the verge of defeat, the future of the rebellion was far from certain.

But to whatever extent the rebels’ fate was up in the air before September 30, the cause was dealt a devastating blow when Moscow’s warplanes began flying sorties from Latakia and while Ankara and Riyadh were initially willing to sit on the sidelines and see how things played out, once Russia and Hezbollah encircled Aleppo, it was do or die time. The supply lines to Turkey were cut and without a direct intervention by the rebels’ Sunni benefactors, Moscow and Hassan Nasrallah’s army would ultimately move in on Aleppo proper and that, as they say, would be that.

The problem for Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar is optics. That is, everything anyone does in Syria has to be justified by an imaginary “war on terror.” Turkey can’t say it’s intervening to keep the rebels from being defeated by the Russians, and similarly, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the US, France and everyone else needs to preserve the narrative and pretend as though this all doesn't boil down to the West and the Sunnis versus the Russians and the Shiites.

Here’s what we said earlier this month: somehow, Turkey and Saudi Arabia need to figure out how to spin an attack on the YPG and an effort to rescue the opposition at Aleppo as an anti-ISIS operation even though ISIS doesn’t have a large presence in the area.

Well it turns out that’s an impossible task and so, Turkey has resorted to Plan B: a possible false flag bombing and the old “blame the Kurds” strategy.

The attack on military personnel in Ankara this week was claimed by The Kurdistan Freedom Hawks (an offshoot of the PKK) in retaliation for Turkey's aggressive campaign in Cizre (as documented here), but Erdogan has taken the opportunity to remind the world that the PKK and the YPG are largely synonymous. That is, they're both armed groups of non-state actors and if one is a terrorist organization, then so is the other.

Erdogan's anti-Kurd stance is complicated immeasurably by the fact that both the US and Russia support the YPG out of sheer necessity. The group has proven especially adept at battling ISIS and has secured most of the border with Turkey. As we noted way back in August, it was inevtiable that Washington and Ankara would come to blows over the YPG. After all, the US only secured access to Incirlik by acquiescing to Erdogan's crackdown on the PKK, but some of the missions the US was flying from Turkey's air base were in support of the YPG. The whole thing was absurd from the very beginning.

Well now, Turkey is not only set to use the fight against the YPG as an excuse to intervene in Syria on behalf of the Sunni rebels battling to beat back the Russian and Iranian advance, but Ankara is also demanding that the US recognize the YPG as a terrorist group. If Washington refuses, "measure will be taken."

"If the Unites States is really Turkey's friend and ally, then they should recognize the PYD — a Syrian branch of the PKK — as a terrorist organization. If a friend acts as an enemy, then measures should be taken, and they will not be limited to the Incirlik Airbase, Turkey has significant capabilities," Erdogan advisor Seref Malkoc told Bugun newspaper.

So yeah. Turkey just threatened the US. It's notable that Malkoc specifically said actions would go "beyond Incirlik," because pulling access to the base would be the first thing any regional observers would expect from Ankara in the event of a spat with Washington. For Turkey to say that measures will go beyond that, opens the door for Erdogan to become openly hostile towards his NATO allies.

"The only thing we expect from our U.S. ally is to support Turkey with no ifs or buts," PM Ahmet Davutoglu told a news conferenceon Saturday."If 28 Turkish lives have been claimed through a terrorist attack we can only expect them to say any threat against Turkey is a threat against them."

In other words, Turkey is explicitly asking the US to support Ankara's push to invade Syria and not only that, Erdogan wants Washington to sanction attacks on the YPG which the US has overtly armed, trained, and funded. "The disagreement over the YPG risks driving a wedge between the NATO allies at a critical point in Syria's civil war," Reuters wrote on Saturday. "On Friday, a State Department spokesman told reporters Washington would continue to support organizations in Syria that it could count on in the fight against Islamic State - an apparent reference to the YPG."

Right. "Washington will continue to support organizations in Syria that it can count on in the fight against Islamic State." So we suppose that means the US will support Russia. And Iran. And Hezbollah. But most certainly not Turkey, who is the biggest state sponsor of the Islamic State on the face of the planet.

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Poking the bear and poking the Eagle at the same time isn't really the smartest thing to do right now. Does this "Wanna be Atatürk" have a death wish of some kind ? I honestly don't hate turkey but Erdogan right now seems to be bat shit crazy...
Intended faulty translation....he never said Kurds but YPG....some "twisting facts journalism" for you.

all 'kurds' are terrorists now :o:

sounds like genocide talk.


I hope Turkey kicks us out of it's air base. please god do it.

let us leave the area. let the Russians spank the Turks without daddy coming in to save the child.
Agreed, you are useless anyways.
 
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Turkey wants Obama to label Kurds as terrorists, but Obongo won't even use Radical+ Islamatic+Terrorist in a sentence.
Barack Obama hasn't said “radical Islamic terrorism” | PolitiFact Texas
Intended faulty translation....he never said Kurds but YPG....some "twisting facts journalism" for you.


Agreed, you are useless anyways.


say hi to Vlad for me


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All i want to know is "Or else measures will be taken" part true ?
We are already shelling YPG positions for 9 days straight...."or else" maybe interpreted as "using more heavier weapons". As we know shortly MBRLs has been positioned across the border but not being used at the moment.

say hi to Vlad for me


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Hi Vlad. :)

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Which makes me wonder, have you downed any Soviet aircraft in the history ?
 
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We are already shelling YPG positions for 9 days straight...."or else" maybe interpreted as "using more heavier weapons". As we know shortly MBRLs has been positioned across the border but not being used at the moment.



Hi Vlad. :)

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Which makes me wonder, have you downed any Soviet aircraft in the history ?
a stab in the back
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you got your one cheap shot in. go ahead try a second time.
 
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a stab in the back
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you got your one cheap shot in. go ahead try a second time.
Stab in the back ??? Like they were our allies in the first place.....and we warned them that we would shot them down, in 3 different occasions. They crossed the border and they got downed.No need to "romanticize" the event.
 
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Stab in the back ??? Like they were our allies in the first place.....and we warned them that we would shot them down, in 3 different occasions. They crossed the border and they got downed.No need to "romanticize" the event.
there was agreements and mutual understandings to avoid shooting one another down.

once Putin started hitting the rats and Turkmen is when Turkey ambushed the Su-24M
 
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