Turkey and Israel on the edge of opening a new era in relations

[atatwolf]

A critical step to establishing reconciliation between Turkey and Israel after the deadly Mavi Marmara attack by Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) was reportedly taken with a secret meeting held in Rome between the Foreign Ministry Undersecretary Feridun Hadi Sinirlioğlu and recently appointed Director-General of the Israeli Foreign Ministry Dore Gold.

In the secret meeting that came years after the deadly attack on a Gaza-bound humanitarian aid shipin international waters, three conditions from Turkey were brought to the table once again during the talks, which are removing the blockade of Gaza, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's apology to Turkey and compensation to the families of those who lost their lives in the attack.

Netanyahu apologized to President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan with the mediation of U.S. President Barack Obama. A formula to agree over the other two conditions has been found as Israel will provide convenience for goods-carrying to Gaza and it will not prevent medicine and humanitarian aid from reaching Gaza. Over the compensation, both countries reportedly agreed, although no definite information has been given over the amount.

Diplomatic sources claimed that both countries are close to a compromise on these conditions and when representatives from both sides come to terms on the draft agreement, it will be handed to the countries' governments to receive approval. They also added that the secret meeting in Rome was not the first one as representatives from the two countries convened before to discuss ways to mend ties. Reportedly, there may be more summits if either government demands a change in the draft.

It is expected that Netanyahu will hand the draft over to the Israeli Ministerial Cabinet for approval, as Parliament will take over the duty of approving the draft in Turkey.

The Mavi Marmara attack that froze ties between the countries happened when a second flotilla organized by the international Free Gaza Movement and Turkish nongovernmental organization Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH) and known as the Gaza Freedom Flotilla, was raided by Israeli forces in international waters in 2010. Ten were killed and 55 were wounded in the attack on the flotilla's main ship, the Mavi Marmara. In March 2013, Netanyahu expressed his regret for the Mavi Marmara killings over the phone next to Obama who brokered the deal. Even though the phone conversation opened a door to negotiations, the negotiations were later stalled. Israel agreed to increase reparations for the victims to $20 million and a draft of an agreement between the two states was written in February 2014.
Turkey and Israel on the edge of opening a new era in relations - Daily Sabah

Time to fix the middle-east step by step.

 

[UKBengali]

Sad to see a Muslim country having relations with the Zionist entity.

 

[atatwolf]

Sad to see a Muslim country having relations with the Zionist entity.

Israel is one of the few states with a sensible foreign policy. I rather have a relationship with Israel than other muslim countries who have a dead-wish. By the way, Israel already has a good relationship with Egypt, Jordon, Saudi Arabia, etc.

 

[UKBengali]

Jewish state should not exist on Palestinian land.

 

[Ceylal]

Jewish state should not exist on Palestinian land.

You are absolutely right, while establishing a Palestinian state on its old lands in moot. Atatwolf has a point, Israel is not going to disappear, I think she is well anchored to phase any storm. A solution need to be found to accomodate both the Palestinian and the Israel where they can live peacefully and happily ,without an existential threat.

 

[rockstar08]

A solution need to be found to accomodate both the Palestinian and the Israel where they can live peacefully and happily ,without an existential threat.

I wish you all the very best for that

 

[Gazi]

Sad to see a Muslim country having relations with the Zionist entity.

Arab States around Turkey are quite unstable and Anti Turks so what choice left to them other then that???Iran is also some degree of Pain for them as well so its matter of Choice not Convenience for Turks mostly.

 

[UKBengali]

Arab States around Turkey are quite unstable and Anti Turks so what choice left to them other then that???Iran is also some degree of Pain for them as well so its matter of Choice not Convenience for Turks mostly.

Why does Turkey need relations with an illegitimate entity?

It can survive without stooping so low.

 

[Falcon29]

Sad to see a Muslim country having relations with the Zionist entity.

Well you are good with pure heart that remembers teachings of the Prophet. Majority of Muslims today aren't like you.

Arab States around Turkey are quite unstable and Anti Turks so what choice left to them other then that???Iran is also some degree of Pain for them as well so its matter of Choice not Convenience for Turks mostly.

Turkey and Israel always had relations in past, politically they aren't major allies but economic cooperation they are. You do make a good point, the 'liberal' Arab camp under Sisi of Egypt, Abdullah of KSA, UAE and Jordan kept demonizing Turkey whilst MB had relations with them but MB is too small. I remember during the KSA operation on Yemen, some Egyptian analsyt in Jordan went on Al-Arabiya and stated the Turks now know their place and would never threaten Arabs. The 'liberal' Arabs try spinning everything off to their benefit, so they two the 'ottoman empire revival' argument against Turkey and the 'Ikhwan hired by West/Israel to destroy Arab world' argument unto the public populations. All in all, nationalists all across Middle East are a problem. In Asia, this problem isn't as bad.

 

[Gazi]

Why does Turkey need relations with an illegitimate entity?

It can survive without stooping so low.

Everyone wants some degree of Influence in Middle East and due to having very Toxic Arab Neighborhood alongside with unpredictable Iran they need a DISTRACTION so keep Arabs busy rather then looking towards Turkey with good or bad Intentions.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

WE all have to answer him(Swt).

 

[Gazi]

Turkey and Israel always had relations in past, politically they aren't major allies but economic cooperation they are. You do make a good point, the 'liberal' Arab camp under Sisi of Egypt, Abdullah of KSA, UAE and Jordan kept demonizing Turkey whilst MB had relations with them but MB is too small. I remember during the KSA operation on Yemen, some Egyptian analsyt in Jordan went on Al-Arabiya and stated the Turks now know their place and would never threaten Arabs. The 'liberal' Arabs try spinning everything off to their benefit, so they two the 'ottoman empire revival' argument against Turkey and the 'Ikhwan hired by West/Israel to destroy Arab world' argument unto the public populations. All in all, nationalists all across Middle East are a problem. In Asia, this problem isn't as bad.

It seems like seeds of Baath Party are still alive among Arabs despite most of their Leadership either got Killed or got their Priorities changed. Arab Nationalism is in Direct Conflict with Turkish Nationalism is seems so there is a confrontation and that is what keeps Turks closer to Israel rather then Arabs. Those Ottoman revival stuff is no longer viable for either Arabs or Turkey as Turks have move on and Arabs Nationalism wont Tolerate any non Arab Influence so its hopeless to think of something would be possible in near future.

 

[Falcon29]

Why does Turkey need relations with an illegitimate entity?

It can survive without stooping so low.

It's like saying well Japan is here to stay so China must develop new era of relations with it. Liberal Arabs make the argument the same argument about Israel, and I respond in same way you did. Arab oil wealthy nations don't need Israel to survive and can make wonders out of the money they have if they manage it right and have political will for doing so. But they simply brush you off, that's because Islam is at all time low today. The only people in region who oppose this mentality are Islamists like MB , Hizb Al Tahrir, AQ, etc....and they're under attack because these liberals who will do anything for their throne/lifestyle follow US/Israeli agenda in region and permit US to use their soil for attacks and use their money/resources to overthrow MB. It took them 1 year to ruin Egypt when MB was ruling by preventing deisel supplies/gas supplies and investing money in Al-Sisi and his military brass. Yet when it comes to Israel they tell you nothing is possible. They have different priorities and they're not going away until the people free themselves from them. And once the people do that the whole world will attack us.

It seems like seeds of Baath Party are still alive among Arabs despite most of their Leadership either got Killed or got their Priorities changed. Arab Nationalism is in Direct Conflict with Turkish Nationalism is seems so there is a confrontation and that is what keeps Turks closer to Israel rather then Arabs. Those Ottoman revival stuff is no longer viable for either Arabs or Turkey as Turks have move on and Arabs Nationalism wont Tolerate any non Arab Influence so its hopeless to think of something would be possible in near future.

Arab nationalism doesn't exist in the way it used to. Today it is in different form, one camp is the Levant camp in Syria, Lebanon and secular Palestinians. These people have similiar culture, beliefs and get along well. Jordanians on other hand view themselves as a special species separate from Lebanese/Syrian/Palestinian because they hail from Hashamite tribe. Some Jordanians see themselves as superior, even though nothing 'superior' has come out from Arabs that I've seen yet. Then there is Jordanian, Egyptian, Saudi, UAE camp which use both nationalist/anti-'Extremist' motto. These people cooperate with Israel, don't care about anyones plight in the region besides their own interests. They view themselves very highly and look down upon everyone else(Even though they're the dumbest bunch) and are very anti-MB. Their whole agenda is anti-MB. Sometimes their media (Al-Arabiya) supports Al Qaeda or ISIS when they make threats against MB.

Jordan and UAE won't ever change, but Egypt and Saudi Arabia is different. Egypt is divided, and the situation for Sisi is difficult, so the Gulf keeps pumping money into him and Israel through Jewish lobbyists in Washington urges US politicans to give Sisi immunity from his crackdowns all to counter Muslim Brotherhood. Saudi Arabia on other hand, has a religious base. A sunni religious base which is anti-Iran/Israel and some of them sympathize with Islamist movements. So there may be a divide one day in Saudi Arabia.

 

[bsruzm]

Well, nobody knows what has been spoken in Rome but who have spoken. I doubt it is about reconciliation.

 

[salarsikander]

Hi,
even if the relations are established, Turkey will never back down on its stance and will again something that would agitate invaders of Palestine again.

A proper slap on their face, Turk style !