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Trump says US won’t sell fighter jets to Turkey

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump says the U.S. is not going to sell F-35 fighter jets to Turkey after Ankara decided to buy a missile defense system from Russia.

The Trump administration has repeatedly told Turkey that it will be cut off from buying F-35s if it buys the S-400 Russian air defense system because it’s incompatible with NATO defenses and could jeopardize sensitive information about F-35 technologies. Turkey is a member of NATO.

Trump blamed the Obama administration for never reaching a deal to sell an American missile defense system to Turkey.

He says Turkey had ordered more than 100 F-35s but because it bought a Russian missile system, the U.S. can’t sell it billions of dollars’ worth of aircraft.

Trump spoke Tuesday during a Cabinet meeting at the White House.

https://apnews.com/a2ca92e6bec84932b59e33e1992927a7
 
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Trump sounded reluctant when talking about cutting #Turkey off from the #F35 and notably said nothing about sanctions. But bipartisan agreement on the Hill is that the law is clear: Trump has no choice but to start sanctions on Ankara. With @reporterjoe www.defensenews.com/…
 
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Biased a bit not telling exactly what he said. i watched it live. He said "we are telling Turkey that we are not goint to sell F-35 fighter jets. A tough situation, we are working through that. we are talking to them"

He is just making confession. Blaming Obama.
 
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I think Turkey after becoming part of F35 realised its too expensive and cumbersome to operate and maintain and they would be better off without it. S400 gives them good air defence and got them rid of f35.
 
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Trump blames Obama as he reluctantly bans F-35 sales to Turkey
By Kevin Liptak and Nicole Gaouette, CNN - July 17, 2019

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Washington (CNN) - President Donald Trump says Turkey will be banned from purchasing American F-35 fighter jets after it acquired a Russian air defense system, but made no mention of sanctions that the US is legally required to impose in response, worrying lawmakers on both sides of the aisle.

Trump misrepresented the developments that led Turkey to purchase the Russian system, blaming the Obama administration for the situation and sympathizing with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan for the "very tough situation that they've been forced in."

"Because they have a system of missiles that's made in Russia, they're now prohibited from buying over 100 planes," Trump said of Turkey during in a Cabinet meeting. "I would say that (F-35 manufacturer) Lockheed isn't exactly happy. That's a lot of jobs. And frankly I've always had a very good relationship" with Erdogan, Trump added.

In the tussle with Turkey over the Russian air defense system, a thorny mix of diplomatic and technological challenges are intersecting with the President's affinity for strongmen leaders and his tendency to execute international diplomacy based on his personal relationships.

Presidential delays

The result, said analysts and former officials, is that after months of Trump administration vows that Turkey will face sanctions for the Russian purchase -- which creates a threat to US national security and undermines the North Atlantic Treaty Organization -- those punitive measures are being put off by the President himself.

"The President is the clear cause of the delay," said John Hannah, a senior counselor at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. "He doesn't want to pull the trigger on sanctions and torpedoing Turkey's purchase of the F-35 fighter jets. In the first place, he's got an unfortunate affinity for Erdogan."

Hannah noted that at the June G-20 meeting in Japan, Trump undermined US policymakers when asked about the S400 purchase. "Instead of reading Erdogan the riot act in a last-ditch effort to warn him off the S-400 deal, the President accepted hook, line and sinker Erdogan's ridiculous claim that it was all President Obama's fault, and that Turkey was somehow justified in alienating NATO and cozying up to (Russian President Vladimir) Putin," Hannah said.

Behind the scenes, administration officials including Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and national security adviser John Bolton were pushing to move forward with sanctions, but Trump has been dragging his feet to preserve some sort of a relationship with Erdogan, according to a source familiar with internal deliberations at the NSC and State Department.

On the Hill, where there is solid bipartisan support for action against Turkey, Republican lawmakers quietly phoned the President to push him to sanction Ankara. On Friday, a Pentagon briefing on Turkey's purchase was scheduled and canceled, the ceremonial podium set up and then taken down.

As reporters waited for briefing Monday, congressional aides were told that Trump was meeting with State and Pentagon officials in the Oval Office to discuss options on Turkey. Monday's briefing was then canceled.

"It suggests he sent them back to the drawing board and doesn't want to sanction them -- which is a huge problem for us, all of us," one Senate aide said.

Percolating distrust

The tussle over the Russian air defense system reflects a relationship that has frayed over the past few years as Ankara has increasingly come to see Washington as an unreliable, and in some cases, antagonistic actor.

The US invasion of Iraq allowed the Turks' existential rivals the Kurds to establish some autonomy. The US then started training and working with Kurds in an attempt to defeat Syria's Bashar al-Assad. Washington has subsequently refused to extradite the cleric that Erdogan blames for plotting a 2016 coup against him -- one in which he sees the US as complicit.

That percolating distrust erupted when the US asked Turkey not to buy the Russian system and Erdogan flatly refused. Instead, the increasingly authoritarian Turkish leader marked the anniversary of the failed coup attempt on Monday by accepting plane loads of S-400 components.

Speaking at the White House on Tuesday, Trump laid the blame for that purchase at the feet of the previous administration, saying it had refused to sell Turkey US-made Patriot missiles. That isn't accurate, analysts and officials involved in that sale said. The US has worked to sell Turkey a Patriot missile system since 2013, but Washington had balked at Turkey's technology transfer demands.

Trump's pick for secretary of defense Mark Esper said Tuesday that Turkey has "been a long standing and very capable NATO ally, but their decision on the S-400 is the wrong one and it's disappointing."

The S-400 poses a real threat to US national security, analysts said. The Russian system is built to defeat US stealth technology, leading officials in Washington to worry that if Turkey took delivery of F35s, the Russian system could be used to collect valuable information about the fifth-generation fighter jet.

Trump said the decision to ban F-35 sales was one he was making reluctantly.

"We are now telling Turkey that because you have really been forced to buy another missile system, we're not going to sell you the F-35 fighter jets," the President said. "It's a very tough situation that they're in and it's a very tough situation that we've been placed in, the United States. With all of that being said, we're working through it, we'll see what happens. But it's not really fair."

"Because of the fact he bought a Russian missile, we're not allowed to sell him billions of dollars worth of aircraft. It's not a fair situation," Trump continued.

'Clueless' or 'manipulated'

James Townsend, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for Europe and NATO, now with Center for a New American Security, who was involved in negotiations with Turkey about the Patriot system, said Trump's comments were "clueless."

"Either his staff doesn't know or they're afraid to tell him," Townsend said, or the President is being "manipulated" by Erdogan.

Townsend noted that despite Trump's regret about the F35s, Lockheed probably would not want to sell the jets if there was a risk it would compromise their technology.

Even though Turkey belonged to the international consortium that funded the F-35's development, lawmakers and administration officials felt the risks were too high to allow the purchase. They warned repeatedly that Turkey would face punitive measures if it went ahead with the S-400s.

'We will raise hell'

But Trump didn't raise the prospect of new sanctions on Monday, even though the first shipment of the Russian-made S-400 air defense missile system landed in Ankara last week.

The law that requires the administration to sanction Turkey calls for the executive branch to act first and it leaves little to no room for Trump to grant Turkey a waiver, analysts said.
One Republican aide said the President could find some wiggle room in the fact that it will take months before the S400 deliveries are complete. But even Republicans say they aren't sure what the White House is thinking. "We are trying to figure out what is going on," the aide said.

This source said members of Congress, waiting to see some action, are increasingly concerned by the delay.

"If they break the law, we will raise hell. The law is the law," the Republican aide said.

CNN's Ryan Browne, Zachary Cohen and Kylie Atwood contributed to this report.
Source :. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/trump-turkey-s400-sales/index.html
 
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Trump is willing to go against his own party to preserve his good relationship with Erdogan. While GOP and DoD hawks are trying their outmost to impose crippling sanctions on Turkey, the president seems to cultivate a much more nuanced and conciliatory approach to the problem at hand.

Turkeys F-35 program is officially dead, but this might have been the best way to end it, given the particulars at hand.
 
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Finally Turkey is leaving western block

We don't leave one place and join another block. Turkey does not thinkable separate from Nato. In addition, other NATO countries do not have the authority to remove Turkey. We are actively involved in NATO missions on 3 continents and one of NATO's strongest partners. And we have veto power. Do we know what that means? If there is a country that is disturbed by the presence of Turkey should increase its defense budget and primarily the responsibility of the NATO missions. Chatty politicians entertain only amateurs.

If Turkey's interests are not considered important enough by the partners, or even sought to give direction to Turkey's policies by blackmail and conspiracy, please wait a little and follow the reaction of Turkey.

Hope after completing JF-17 bk-3
we will purpose Next Gen version of JF-17

The current JF-17 programs are now far from being able to meet TAF needs.

Turkey has successfully continuing many different aviation programs. One of them is MMU(TFX).

Sadly I must say that the Pakistan aviation industry has no extra capability which is TAF not have yet.

However, some joint export-oriented projects can be developed to strengthen the integration of the aviation industry of the two brotherly countries.
 
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Turkey has got what it needed the most from the F-35 program. Turkish suppliers have set up R&D teams, developed new subsystems and advanced their technologies to the next level. Sure, their investment in production lines may have to be written off now as a loss, and a few billions worth sales may be lost, but when you are developing a military industry as a country, profitability and return on investment are the least of your concerns.

The important thing now is that Turkey doesn't have a 5th gen fighter. And they have a requirement for 100+ maybe even 200 birds. They can concentrate on the TFX. And there are two European 5th gen fighter programs and none of them will be even remotely affordable in their present state. For FCAS and Tempest, getting Turkey could make a significant difference to the program.

Turkey may not have an F-35, but she will buy a new fighter in the next decade over which she will have a lot more control than on an F-35. She has more than one option when it comes to buying or developing an aircraft now.
 
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Turkey has successfully continuing many different aviation programs. One of them is MMU(TFX).
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But if things go worse it is also the end dir General Electric as the TFX's engine supplier.
 
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Wait for it. Turkey has played all the right cards. US is just testing Turkey. Americans will come around soon enough.

If Pakistan knew how to play this game, we would have had more than a couple of squadrons of latest F16s if not F15s after 9/11 and despite the EarthQuake.

Just considering the thought of F15s as foolish is enough to reveal how inherently inept we are at this game.
 
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