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Trump: Pakistan is a safe haven for terrorists

Do you really think Vietnam had a chance against the US?

Do you really think Korea had a chance against the US?

Do you really think Iraq had a chance against the US?

Do you really think Afghanistan had a chance against the US?

How did those wars turn out for the US? How will the war turn out for the US if it takes on a country larger than all four of those put together?

Again, what war has the US won since 1945? Grenada?

Pakistani generals are more sensible and know the ground realty. I am sure that they will not let Pakistan go down the drain with such rhetoric and jingoism.
 
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You may call Trump an idiot but his words must be taken seriously. Unless U.S gets some another way for their supplies to a-stan, nothing is going to happen.

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These are obama's words. He was soft on pakistan,never used harsh words.
 
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If Any country says, Pakistan supports terrorists and terrorists find safe heaven in Pakistan but as per our friends, they (India, Afghanistan, US, etc) are wrong.

US is saying due to nawaaz foreign policy failure.
Iran - no, Iran supports terrorism in Pakistan.
India- every problems start with India.

Reality - Pakistan is only correct and others are saying lie.
 
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i think Pakistan will bow down to u.s and will do more.our army generals and politicians have not enough courage to stand against u.s because of their financial interest and most of their children get education in u.s and europe and also for medical treatments
 
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Pakistani generals are more sensible and know the ground realty. I am sure that they will not let Pakistan go down the drain with such rhetoric and jingoism.

American generals are more sensible and know the ground reality. I am sure they will not let America go down the drain with such rhetoric and jingoism that Trump just demonstrated.
 
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We will see what happens. The world is watching.

Yeah, yeah, he just said that he wants India to do more economic assistance in Afghanistan in the video.
 
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The neo-con mission creep within the Trump administration is slowly becoming visible, they're taking over. The US were never going to leave anyway, strategically it serves them well to have a military presence in a region bordering Pakistan and China. At any rate, a good devlelopment for India.

We always appreciate what our Pakistani brothers did for us to curb terrorism, such as at Lal Masjid, even though it put Pakistan squarely within the cross hairs of irate foreign-sponsored terrorists.
The terrorists in Pakistan are not doing it for money, they are driven by ideology. India has nothing to do with that ideology, it comes from arabia.
 
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from the dawn news article this is what a Pakistani ISI guy said:

Ahead of the speech, the Pakistan Army had brushed off speculation that Trump could signal a stronger line against Islamabad, insisting the country has done all it can to tackle militancy.

“Let it come,” Inter-Services Public Relations Director General Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor told reporters, referring to Trump's decision. “Even if it comes... Pakistan shall do whatever is best in the national interest.”

Trump backs off Afghan withdrawal, lambasts Pakistan over terrorist 'safe havens'

President Donald Trump cleared the way for the deployment of thousands more US troops to Afghanistan Monday, backtracking from his promise to swiftly end America's longest war, while pillorying ally Pakistan for offering safe haven to “agents of chaos”.

In his first formal address to the nation as commander-in-chief, Trump discarded his previous criticism of the 16-year-old war as a waste of time and money, admitting things looked different from “behind the desk in the Oval Office”.

“My instinct was to pull out” Trump admitted as he spoke of frustration with a war that has killed thousands of US troops and cost US taxpayers trillions of dollars.

But following months of discussion, Trump said he had concluded “the consequences of a rapid exit are both predictable and unacceptable” and leaving a “vacuum” that terrorists “would instantly fill”.

While Trump refused to offer detailed troop numbers, senior White House officials said he had already authorised his defence secretary to deploy up to 3,900 more troops to Afghanistan.

A conflict that began in October 2001 as a hunt for the 9/11 attackers has turned into a vexed effort to keep Afghanistan's divided and corruption-hindered democracy alive amid a brutal Taliban insurgency.

Trump warned that the approach would now be more pragmatic than idealistic.

Security assistance to Afghanistan was “not a blank check” he said, warning he would not send the military to “construct democracies in faraway lands or create democracies in our own image”.

“We are not nation building again. We are killing terrorists.”

Trump indicated that single-minded approach would extend to US relations with troubled ally Pakistan, which consecutive US administrations have criticised for links with the Taliban and for harbouring leading militants.

“We can no longer be silent about Pakistan's safe havens for terrorist organisations,” he said, warning that vital aid could be cut.

“We have been paying Pakistan billions and billions of dollars at the same time they are housing the very terrorists that we are fighting,” he said. “That will have to change and that will change immediately.”

Ahead of the speech, the Pakistan Army had brushed off speculation that Trump could signal a stronger line against Islamabad, insisting the country has done all it can to tackle militancy.

“Let it come,” Inter-Services Public Relations Director General Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor told reporters, referring to Trump's decision. “Even if it comes... Pakistan shall do whatever is best in the national interest.”

About face
Trump for the first time also left the door open to an eventual political deal with the Taliban. “Someday, after an effective military effort, perhaps it will be possible to have a political settlement that includes elements of the Taliban in Afghanistan,” he said.

“But nobody knows if or when that will ever happen,” he added, before vowing that “America will continue its support for the Afghan government and military as they confront the Taliban in the field”.

While wary of international entanglements, Trump has also been eager to show success and steel in the realm of national security. As president, he has surrounded himself with military generals — from his national security advisor to his chief of staff to his defence secretary — who have urged him to stay the course.

The Trump administration had originally promised a new Afghan plan by mid-July, but Trump was said to be dissatisfied by initial proposals to deploy a few thousand more troops.

His new policy will raise questions about what, if anything, can be achieved by making further deployments, or repeating the demands of previous administrations in more forceful terms.

In 2010, the United States had upwards of 100,000 US military personnel deployed to Afghanistan. Today that figure is around 8,400 US troops and the situation is as deadly as ever.

More than 2,500 Afghan police and troops have been killed already this year.

“The Afghan government remains divided and weak, its security forces will take years of expensive US and allied support to become fully effective, and they may still lose even with such support,” said Anthony Cordesman of The Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Hours before Trump's remarks there was a stark reminder of the Taliban's reach, when a missile landed on a field in Kabul's heavily fortified diplomatic zone.

'Rigorous debate'
Trump's announcement comes amid a month of serious turmoil for his administration, which has seen several top White House officials fired and revelations that members of Trump's campaign are being investigated by a federal grand jury.

He sought in his address to convince Americans who have wearied of his controversial off-the-cuff remarks.

“I studied Afghanistan in great detail and from every conceivable angle,” he said, hoping to show he has sufficiently pondered the decision to send more young Americans into mortal danger.

The decision on Afghanistan could have wide-ranging political repercussions for Trump, who faces a backlash from his base for reversing his pledge not to deepen military entanglements on foreign soil. One of the main voices arguing for withdrawal, Trump's nationalistic chief strategist Steve Bannon, was removed from his post on Friday.

Among the advisors present at Camp David was new White House chief of staff John Kelly, a former Marine Corps general whose son died in Afghanistan in 2010.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1353164



The neo-con mission creep within the Trump administration is slowly becoming visible, they're taking over. The US were never going to leave anyway, strategically it serves them well to have a military presence in a region bordering Pakistan and China. At any rate, a good devlelopment for India.


The terrorists in Pakistan are not doing it for money, they are driven by ideology. India has nothing to do with that ideology, it comes from arabia.
lol we will see what happens. Don't shit in your pants yet out of happiness ;).

We will indeed see what happens.
 
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The Lies on Afghanistan

by MATTHEW HOH

There has never been progress by the U.S. military in Afghanistan, unless you are asking the U.S. military contractors or the Afghan drug barons, of whom an extremely large share are our allies in the Afghan government, militias and security forces, there has only been suffering and destruction. American politicians, pundits and generals will speak about “progress” made by the 70,000 American troops put into Afghanistan by President Obama beginning in 2009, along with an additional 30,000 European troops and 100,000 private contractors, however the hard and awful true reality is that the war in Afghanistan has only escalated since 2009, never stabilizing or deescalating; the Taliban has increased in strength by tens of thousands, despite tens of thousands of casualties and prisoners; and American and Afghan casualties have continued to grow every year of the conflict, with U.S. casualties declining only when U.S. forces began to withdraw in mass numbers from parts of Afghanistan in 2011, while Afghan security forces and civilians have experienced record casualties every year since those numbers began to be kept by the UN.


Similarly, any progress in reconstructing or developing Afghanistan has been found to be non existent despite the more than $100 billion spent by the United States on such efforts by the Special Inspector General for Afghan Reconstruction (SIGAR). $100 billion, by the way, is more money than was spent on the Marshall Plan when that post-WWII reconstruction plan is put into inflation adjusted dollars. Oft repeated claims, such as millions of Afghan school girls going to school, millions of Afghans having access to improved health care and Afghan life expectancy dramatically increasing, and the construction of an Afghan job building economy have been exposed as nothing more than public relations lies. Often displayed as modern Potemkin Villages to visiting journalists and congressional delegations and utilized to justify continued budgets for the Pentagon and USAID, and, so, to allow for more killing, like America’s reconstruction program in Iraq, the reconstruction program in Afghanistan has proven to be a failure and its supposed achievements shown to be virtually non-existent, as documented by multiple investigations by SIGAR, as well as by investigators and researchers from organizations such as the UN, EU, IMF, World Bank, etc.


Tonight, the American people will hear again the great lie about the progress the American military once made in Afghanistan after “the Afghan Surge”, just as we often hear the lie about how the American military had “won” in Iraq. In Iraq it was a political compromise that brought about a cessation of hostilities for a few short years and it was the collapse of the political balance that had been struck that led to the return to the violence of the last several years. In Afghanistan there has never even been an attempt at such a political solution and all the Afghan people have seen in the last eight years, every year, has been a worsening of the violence.

Americans will also hear tonight how the U.S. military has done great things for the Afghan people. You would be hard pressed to find many Afghans outside of the incredibly corrupt and illegitimate government, a better definition of a kleptocracy you will not find, that the U.S. keeps in power with its soldiers and $35 billion a year, who would agree with the statements of the American politicians, the American generals and the pundits, the latter of which are mostly funded, directly or indirectly, by the military companies. It is important to remember that for three straight elections in Afghanistan the United States government has supported shockingly fraudulent elections, allowing American soldiers to kill and die while presidential and parliamentary elections were brazenly stolen. It is also important to remember that many members of the Afghan government are themselves warlords and drug barons, many of them guilty of some of the worst human rights abuses and war crimes, the same abuses of which the Taliban are guilty, while the current Ghani government, and the previous Karzai government, have allowed egregious crimes to continue against women, including laws that allow men to legally rape their wives.


Whatever President Trump announces tonight about Afghanistan, a decision he teased on Twitter, as if the announcement were a new retail product launch or television show episode, as opposed to the somber and painful reality of war, we can be assured the lies about American progress in Afghanistan will continue, the lies about America’s commitment to human rights and democratic values will continue, the profits of the military companies and drug barons will also continue, and of course the suffering of the Afghan people will surely continue.


Matthew Hoh is a member of the advisory boards of Expose Facts, Veterans For Peace and World Beyond War. In 2009 he resigned his position with the State Department in Afghanistan in protest of the escalation of the Afghan War by the Obama Administration. He previously had been in Iraq with a State Department team and with the U.S. Marines. He is a Senior Fellow with the Center for International Policy.
 
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If we go down believe it or not few people are coming with us.... including one super and one shupa power
Good point, Pakistan won't go without a fight.

Don't worry brothers, we will see what happens. Trump may talk the talk, but does he walk the walk, that is the question?
 
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