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By Stephen J. Adler, Jeff Mason and Steve Holland | WASHINGTON

President Donald Trump complained on Thursday that U.S. ally Saudi Arabia was not treating the United States fairly and Washington was losing a “tremendous amount of money” defending the kingdom.

In an interview with Reuters, Trump confirmed his administration was in talks about possible visits to Saudi Arabia and Israel in the second half of May. He is due to make his first trip abroad as president for a May 25 NATO summit in Brussels and could add other stops.

"Frankly, Saudi Arabia has not treated us fairly, because we are losing a tremendous amount of money in defending Saudi Arabia,” he said.

Trump’s criticism of Riyadh was a return to his 2016 election campaign rhetoric when he accused the kingdom of not pulling its weight in paying for the U.S. security umbrella.

"Nobody’s going to mess with Saudi Arabia because we’re watching them," Trump told a campaign rally in Wisconsin a year ago. “They’re not paying us a fair price. We’re losing our shirt.”

The United States is the main supplier for most Saudi military needs, from F-15 fighters to control and command systems worth tens of billions of dollars in recent years, while American contractors win major energy deals.

The world's top oil exporter and its biggest consumer have enjoyed close economic ties for decades, with U.S. firms building much of the infrastructure of the modern Saudi state after its oil boom in the 1970s.

Saudi officials could not immediately be reached for comment on Trump's latest comments.


U.S. President Donald Trump speaks during an interview with Reuters in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, U.S., April 27, 2017. REUTERS/Carlos Barria

But Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir rejected similar comments from Trump during his election campaign, telling CNN during a visit to Washington last July that the Islamic kingdom "carries its own weight" as an ally.

Saudi Arabia’s powerful deputy crown prince Mohammed bin Salman met with Trump last month in a meeting that was hailed by a senior Saudi adviser as a “historical turning point” in relations. The talks appeared to signal a meeting of minds on many issues, including their shared view that Iran posed a regional security threat.

Riyadh and other Gulf allies see in Trump a strong president who will shore up Washington’s role as their main strategic partner and help contain Riyadh's adversary Iran in a region central to U.S. security and energy interests, regional analysts said.

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Asked about the fight against Islamic State, which Saudi Arabia and other U.S. allies are confronting as a coalition, Trump said the militant group had to be defeated.

"I have to say, there is an end. And it has to be humiliation," Trump said, when asked about what the endgame was for defeating Islamist violent extremism.

"There is an end. Otherwise it's really tough. But there is an end," without detailing a strategy.

A visit to Israel would reciprocate a White House visit in February by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is due to meet Trump next Wednesday in Washington.

Trump has set a more positive tone with Israel than his Democratic predecessor, Barack Obama, who often clashed with the right-wing Israeli leader, and has raised concerns among Palestinians that their leaders may not get equal treatment.

Trump has also asked Israel to put unspecified limits on its building of Jewish settlements on land the Palestinians want for a state, and has promised to seek a Middle East peace deal that eluded his predecessors. However, he has offered no new diplomatic prescriptions.

“I want to see peace with Israel and the Palestinians,” he said. “There is no reason there's not peace between Israel and the Palestinians - none whatsoever.”

Trump brushed aside a question of whether he might use a possible trip to Israel to declare U.S. recognition of the entire city of Jerusalem as Israel's capital, a reversal of long-standing U.S. foreign policy likely to draw international condemnation.

"Ask me in a month on that," he said, without elaborating.

If Trump ties an Israel visit to next month's Brussels trip, it would be around the time Israelis are celebrating the 50th anniversary of the reunification of Jerusalem, when Israel captured Arab East Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war.

Successive U.S. administrations as well as the international community have not recognized Israel's annexation of the eastern part of the city, and the future status of Jerusalem remains one of the thorniest issues in the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.

Israel claims all of Jerusalem, which contains sites sacred to the Jewish, Muslim and Christian faiths, as its capital. Palestinians want East Jerusalem as the capital of a future state of their own.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-mideast-exclusive-idUSKBN17U08A
 
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What is he talking about here exactly?


"Frankly, Saudi Arabia has not treated us fairly, because we are losing a tremendous amount of money in defending Saudi Arabia,” he said.
Where is the proof of this in the form of data? Also the US has not been defending KSA since the First Gulf War. There are no American military bases in KSA.

I wonder how much US has gained from GCC states allowing US military bases? Or KSA being a crucial partner in the counterterrorism intelligence work of the US?

I guess that the weapons bought from the US by KSA were bought for free as well.

In any case Trump is going to say 1000 different things depending on the audience and day. There was no such talk when he met Saudi Arabian high-ranking officials so nothing will happen.

Anyway did he not practically say the same about Japan, South Korea, most European countries and most NATO countries especially those who do not spend the required/recommended 2% on their militaries? I think so.

USA is in further mood of milking saudia .

Nothing is going to happen. KSA is very well positioned today. Much more than pre-Obama.
 
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What is he talking about here exactly?


"Frankly, Saudi Arabia has not treated us fairly, because we are losing a tremendous amount of money in defending Saudi Arabia,” he said.
Where is the proof of this in the form of data? Also the US has not been defending KSA since the First Gulf War. There are no American military bases in KSA.

I wonder how much US has gained from GCC states allowing US military bases? Or KSA being a crucial partner in the counterterrorism intelligence work of the US?

I guess that the weapons bought from the US by KSA were bought for free as well.

In any case Trump is going to say 1000 different things depending on the audience and day. There was no such talk when he met Saudi Arabian high-ranking officials so nothing will happen.

Anyway did he not practically say the same about Japan, South Korea, most European countries and most NATO countries especially those who do not pay the required/recommended 2%? I think so.



Nothing is going to happen. KSA is very well positioned today. Much more than pre-Obama.

U.S doesn't defend KSA?? how about stopping Iran from cutting off the Persian Gulf??

you and the rest of GCC would be screwed. If Iran stopped your oil tankers from leaving unmolested.
 
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U.S doesn't defend KSA?? how about stopping Iran from cutting of Persian Gulf??

you and the rest of GCC would be screwed.

Cutting what Gulf off? Do the Mullah's own land/control land on both sides of the Gulf? Do they control the Gulf of Oman, Arabian Sea or Red Sea?

Yes, very.



In short, what are you blabbering about?
 
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Cutting what Gulf off? Do the Mullah's own land/control land on both sides of the Gulf? Do they control the Gulf of Oman, Arabian Sea or Red Sea?

Yes, very.



In short, what are you blabbering about?

so you are saying most of the oil doesn't ship through the strait of hormuz on oil tankers o_O and that if Iran Navy blocked it, you would go on like nothing happened LMAO
 
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so you are saying most of the oil doesn't ship through the strait of hormuz on oil tankers o_O and that if Iran Navy blocked it, you would go on like nothing happened LMAO

It does because that strait is an international strait not owned by any country. It was like that long before your country even became a country. However there are alternative pipelines. KSA can use the Red Sea as a launching pad for export to either Europe next door or Africa or the route towards Asia without a problem.

First of all the Iranian navy is no rival to the combined navy of the GCC. Secondly they cannot close anything off without being prevented/countered. And if they close the strait up (hypothetically speaking and a huge if) they would shot themselves in the foot and unlike KSA they would have no option to sell their own oil/gas that they depend on as well through any other sea as the Caspian Sea is a landlocked sea (in fact a big lake) unlike the Red Sea which is connected to the Arabian Sea and wider Indian Ocean and Mediterranean Sea next door.

Try harder next time with your brilliant "analysis" and learn how to read a map.
 
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It does. However there are alternative pipelines. KSA can use the Red Sea as a launching pad for export to either Europe next door or Africa or the route towards Asia without a problem.

First of all the Iranian navy is no rival to the combined navy of the GCC. Secondly they cannot close anything off without being prevented/countered. And if they close the strait up (hypothetically speaking and a huge if) they would shut themselves in the foot and unlike KSA they would have no option to sell their own oil/gas that they depend on as well through any other sea as the Caspian Sea is a landlocked sea (in fact a big lake) unlike the Red Sea which is connected to the Arabian Sea and wider Indian Ocean and Mediterranean Sea next door.

Try harder next time with your brilliant "analysis" and learn how to read a map.

you do know the current pipelines can only carry so much oil right??

and as for the GCC combined fleet....before the Yemen war I might of said yeah GCC would whip Iran, but after Yemen.........lol.........paper tiger. Iran Navy and Air Force would destroy the GCC fleet.
 
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It's a warning call. I am pretty sure the KSA/GCC folks know it well. It appears that they are taking some critical steps. InshaAllah they won't be at the mercy of the Iranians. Anyway, self help is the best help...
 
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you do know know the current pipelines can only carry so much oil right??

You do know that the Iranian navy is no match for the combined strength of the GCC navies and their Arab and Muslim partners and that Iran would shot themselves in the foot, would they ever attempt to try (hypnotically speaking) to close the Strait of Hurmuz off?

Is that not self-explanatory? However it remains a viable option should your unrealistic scenario ever become a reality and in such a case KSA/GCC have the advantage over Iran who would cut their own oil/gas supplies off totally.

GCC has many options in fact. The KSA route, the Oman route and even the UAE route through Sharjah and Fujairah.

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Beautiful Emirates btw.









 
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You do know that the Iranian navy is no match for the combined strength of the GCC navies and their Arab and Muslim partners and that Iran would shot themselves in the foot, would they ever attempt to try (hypnotically speaking) to close the Strait of Hurmuz off?

Is that not self-explanatory? However it remains a viable option should your unrealistic scenario ever become realities and in such a case KSA/GCC have the advantage over Iran who would cut their own oil/gas supplies off totally.

GCC has many options in fact. The KSA route, the Oman route and even the UAE route through Sharjah and Fujairah.

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Beautiful Emirates btw.











look at the Yemen war. you can't even beat 80lb goat herders, lmao!!! and you believe Iran would be a pushover?? the Iran that actually has experience in a major war in the 80's. come on you can't be this prideful.

without the U.S 5th fleet and it's support......Iran has the ability to shut down the Persian Gulf and blockade Oman!!

heck I would go as far and say Iran along with the goat herders have the ability to invade and and occupy KSA. I'm not joking either they could.
 
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look at the Yemen war. you can't even beat 80lb goat herders, lmao!!! and you believe Iran would be a pushover?? the Iran that actually has experience in a major war in the 80's. come on you can't be this prideful.

without the U.S 5th fleet and it's support......Iran has the ability to shut down the Persian Gulf and blockade Oman!!

heck I would go as far and say Iran along with the goat herders have the ability to invade and and occupy KSA. I'm not joking either they could.

Your posts just showcase your enormous ignorance and lack of intellect. In fact you are making an open mockery of yourself for those people who are familiar with Yemen and the conflict there which you clearly are not.

As for your blabbering about Yemen, which the Arab coalition controls 85% of, that country is more difficult/challenging than Iraq and Afghanistan which you failed to control fully/currently fail to control and against an unconventional army/guerrilla fighting force numbering 1 million men. In densely populated mountainous terrain in a country bigger than Iraq. With restrictions due to crying from the international community. Very easy indeed. Especially in a country like Yemen that nobody has been able to control throughout history (in its entirety), not even Yemeni governments.

KSA/Arab coalition already won all the main battles and they control and have controlled (for almost 2 years now) all the main population centers outside of Sana'a, oil, gas, most important harbors, Yemen's economic heart (Aden) etc. Nowadays the fighting is done by the actual Yemeni army that KSA/Arab coalition are training and which have to deal with Yemen's security on the long run. KSA/Arab coalition only have advisers and a limited number of troops on the battlefront nowadays aside from controlling/monitoring the Saudi Arabian/Yemeni border which is heavily mountainous.

So using that logic Mexico could invade US tomorrow as well which it already does in a way by the method of drugs, criminals, millions of illegal migrants etc.
 
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you do know the current pipelines can only carry so much oil right??

and as for the GCC combined fleet....before the Yemen war I might of said yeah GCC would whip Iran, but after Yemen.........lol.........paper tiger. Iran Navy and Air Force would destroy the GCC fleet.
Have Turkey and Pak died????? Last time I checked the geography, they're still sandwiching Iran!!!
 
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Your posts just showcase your enormous ignorance and lack of intellect. In fact you are making a open mockery of yourself for those people who are familiar with Yemen and the conflict there which you clearly are not.

As for your blabbering about Yemen, which the Arab coalition controls 85% of, that country is more difficult/challenging than Iraq and Afghanistan which you failed to control fully/currently fail to control and against an unconventional army/guerrilla fighting force numbering 1 million men. In densely populated mountainous terrain in a country bigger than Iraq. With restrictions due to crying from the international community. Very easy indeed. Especially in a country like Yemen that nobody has been able to control throughout history (in its entirety), not even Yemeni governments.

KSA/Arab coalition already won all the main battles and they control and have controlled (for almost 2 years now) all the main population centers outside of Sana'a, oil, gas, most important harbors, Yemen's economic heart (Aden) etc. Nowadays the fighting is done by the actual Yemeni army that KSA/Arab coalition are training and which have to deal with Yemen's security on the long run. KSA/Arab coalition only have advisers and a limited number of troops on the battlefront nowadays aside from controlling/monitoring the Saudi Arabian/Yemeni border which is heavily mountainous.

So using that logic Mexico could invade US tomorrow as well which it already does in a way by the method of drugs, criminals, millions of illegal migrants etc.


just look at the Houthis I wouldn't be bragging about controlling 85% of the country after only two years.

you're falling for the same trap we did in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Have Turkey and Pak died????? Last time I checked the geography, they're still sandwiching Iran!!!
is Turkey and Pakistan enemies of Iran??
 
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