Three more Indians in UAE face action over Islamophobic social media posts

[Andhadhun]

Countries don't have trials for foreigners that they wish to expel. They just expel them. Countries however have trials for foreigners that they want to put in jail.

We have been expelling a lot of people too without trial.

Like I said before, my problem is not with UAE law. My problem is with Indians who don't stand up for other Indians persecuted in a witch hunt over free speech.

really?.. they why respond over 5+ posts?...

you are confused.

follow you around?.. no!

however it my duty to correct ignorant, dishonest and lying people, as i am a supreme being from a supreme religion.

Really.

STOP following me around.

 

[PradoTLC]

STOP following me around

look who is talking..lol

understandable .. you are upset... who knows you might me kicked out of you showed up there?... u after all made malicious and false accusations.

My problem is with Indians who don't stand up for other Indians persecuted in a witch hunt over free speech.

using foul and abusive language is free speech?.... which clown taught you that?

 

[AfrazulMandal]

I am gratified that you are pleased, but the BJP and the Sangh Parivar have been destroying my nation, and I have stood against them on this forum from the day I joined. Since you were not there for eight years, it is not very surprising that you are unaware of this position, or the harrassment that was handed out by the khaki chaddis, acting in gangs.

It is nice to see that it is beginning to dawn on some that all Indians are not complaisant with this situation, and that all Hindus are not bigots. Nice, but not vital; what has to be done will be done with or without anyone liking or disliking it.

PS: There are many other Indians on this forum who share my position. We cannot help it if there are Pakistanis who resemble the bhakts, and WILL not understand.

@Chak Bamu @Jungibaaz @notorious_eagle @waz @Arsalan

You will forgive me, in this month of forgiveness, for feeling hugely amused.

True that.

Except for the position - 'all Hindus are not bigots'.

I am like - bigotry is present in shades in all Hindus. Some more, some less.

when you took 93k POW including 45k+ civilians and locked them up for 2 years where was your basic human rights then?

This is a stupid mention.

 

[PradoTLC]

This is a stupid mention.

not really..

perhaps you didnt understand.

it is forbidden under international law to take civilians in armed conflict. This was important as indians seem to have a selective approach to law and rights.

Pakistani PoWs: correct figure
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THIS is with reference to the article ‘From behind the barbed wire’ (Dec 16). Narrating the experiences of one retired major who spent time in an Indian prisoner of war camp in 1972-73, the article states that the Fall of Dhaka “… resulted in the surrender of almost 93,000 Pakistani army men stationed there …”

The figure of 93,000 army troops is repeated in the same article later on. It is most unfortunate that this figure of 93,000 ‘soldiers/troops’ is repeated and published frequently without verification of the actual record.

The incorrect figure builds a completely misleading impression. Even an advertisement published a few months ago in Dawn by the Sindh government gave the wrong figure.

The fact is that the total strength of the Pakistan army troops posted in East Pakistan as of December 16, 1971, was only about 34,000. With the addition of Rangers, scouts, militia and civil police, the total strength of personnel deployed to defend East Pakistan was only 45,000.

Whereas arrayed against this relatively small force dispersed across East Pakistan, was the much larger Indian deployment of over 150,000 troops/forces in different formations encircling East Pakistan from three sides with the additional support of about tens of thousands of Mukti Bahni. They outnumbered Pakistani troops by more than 5:1. Pakistani troops were over 2,000 miles distant by air and sea from supply sources in West Pakistan with India having banned overland flights in February 1971. Pakistani troops were severely under-equipped and under-supported by small units of the air force and navy. But the military mismatch dimension is another story altogether, requiring separate reflection.

While it is correct that the total number of Pakistani PoWs held by India after December 16, 1971, was about 90,000 plus, about 55,000 of these PoWs were civilians from West Pakistan, both official and non-official, and included families, businessmen and others, who were not armed and did not enter into combat with Indian troops.

The accuracy of the figures can be verified by the data cited in several books on the 1971 tragedy published by reputed foreign and Pakistani scholars and writers, including first-hand accounts by army officers.

JAVED JABBAR Karachi

 

[AfrazulMandal]

not really..

perhaps you didnt understand.

it is forbidden under international law to take civilians in armed conflict. This was important as indians seem to have a selective approach to law and rights.

Yet, it was not ever taken by Pakistan to the ICJ.

Do you know why?

Because there were not 45 thousand troops in BD.

79,676 of these prisoners were uniformed personnel, of which 55,692 were Army, 16,354 Paramilitary, 5,296 Police, 1000 Navy and 800 PAF. The remaining 13,324 prisoners were civlians - either family members of the military personnel or bihari razarkars.

So why the 13324 civilian prisoners?

Because of two reasons -

1. Their nationality was a problem. They were Pakistanis in a country that was no longer Pakistan.
2. The HQ Eastern Command (Pakistan) ordered in one of its last flourishes to fight to the last in Festung Decca. India probably used this logic to consider all Pakistanis captured as combatant militia. Pakistan did not complain because otherwise they would have been released. And the Mukti Bahini would have slaughtered them. They were safer in Indian hands.

Strange, but true.

But please, let us focus on Hindus and their hate for Islam instead of going into the past.

 

[Joe Shearer]

True that.

Except for the position - 'all Hindus are not bigots'.

I am like - bigotry is present in shades in all Hindus. Some more, some less.

You will allow me to contradict you? There are two different things here, Islam and Muslim. I may be - I am, in fact - indifferent to the religion, and embrace those following it cordially.

You generalise too much, even now.

This is a stupid mention.

How can you ever say so? The civilians should have been left exactly where they were, and only the military personnel should have been taken into custody. If somebody uses his cranial capacity to keep his ears apart, NEVER deny him that liberty.

 

[PradoTLC]

79,676 of these prisoners were uniformed personnel, of which 55,692 were Army, 16,354 Paramilitary, 5,296 Police, 1000 Navy and 800 PAF. The remaining 13,324 prisoners were civlians - either family members of the military personnel or bihari razarkars.

that figure is non sense...that from wiki pedia inputs from indians

there were a total of 3 division there... alot of them suffering mutiny from bengalis i will let you do the maths...

 

[AfrazulMandal]

The fact is that the total strength of the Pakistan army troops posted in East Pakistan as of December 16, 1971, was only about 34,000. With the addition of Rangers, scouts, militia and civil police, the total strength of personnel deployed to defend East Pakistan was only 45,000.

That may be true for total combat troops. But armies have more men for other arms that are vital.

But let us leave that. I will suggest you read more about that chapter, we can discuss it in another thread, if you wish.

Kindly focus on Hindu/Sikh atrocities against Muslims here.

that figure is non sense...that from wiki pedia inputs from indians

there were a total of 3 division there... alot of them suffering mutiny from bengalis i will let you do the maths...

Actually that came from the subtext of the Shimla Agreement. Pakistan was a signatory to it.

The civilians should have been left exactly where they were

They would have been butchered by the Muktis. The Indian Army probably saved the Pakistani families.

 

[PradoTLC]

Pakistan did not complain because otherwise they would have been released. And the Mukti Bahini would have slaughtered them. They were safer in Indian hands.

no.

India used them as bargining chips to settle kashmir and enforce Simla agreement on us.

Bhutto with all his flaws did every thing to get them out.

The Indian Army probably saved the Pakistani families.

absurd arguement. they could have released them to Pakistan immediately. Instead they kept them for 2 years

 

[AfrazulMandal]

no.

India used them as bargining chips to settle kashmir and enforce Simla agreement on us.

Bhutto with all his flaws did every thing to get them out.

Please read the prisoner of war accounts and diaries.

Listen, sir. I am as neutral as one can get here. I abhor discrimination. But what you are stating truly does not stand up to scrutiny.

Now. Can we please get back to Islamophobia among Hindus?

 

[PradoTLC]

Kindly focus on Hindu/Sikh atrocities against Muslims here.

i discuss as i please ... i am a free muslim and we dont take dictates from any one.

You are free to ignore my posts. I am not holding a gun to your head.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

absurd arguement. they could have released them to Pakistan immediately. Instead they kept them for 2 years

Logistics.

There were millions of refugees in India. Actually tens of millions.

We were (are) a poor country. It was probably not possible.

I recommend reading first hand accounts not of the war but the pow experiences. There was a reason Pak army investigated each person when they were eventually freed.

 

[Joe Shearer]

That may be true for total combat troops. But armies have more men for other arms that are vital.

But let us leave that. I will suggest you read more about that chapter, we can discuss it in another thread, if you wish.

Kindly focus on Hindu/Sikh atrocities against Muslims here.


Actually that came from the subtext of the Shimla Agreement. Pakistan was a signatory to it.

They would have been butchered by the Muktis. The Indian Army probably saved the Pakistani families.

That is what I meant. On another thread, the gallant stand of Brigadier (later, Major General) Tajammul Hussain Malik is discovered. He was a military officer, a one-star general. Ask our insouciant friend to check what happened to him at the hands of the Mukti Bahini, and how he had to be rescued by the Indian Army. Ask him also to check what was then going on with Razakars identified as such and with Biharis in general, who were none of them given protective custody.

The man just threads words together and pushes out posts without thinking.

Logistics.

There were millions of refugees in India. Actually tens of millions.

We were (are) a poor country. It was probably not possible.

I recommend reading first hand accounts not of the war but the pow experiences. There was a reason Pak army investigated each person when they were eventually freed.

In the region of ten million. The head of the refugee camp organisation was a family friend.

 

[PradoTLC]

But what you are stating truly does not stand up to scrutiny.

says who?..

the figures are right. having 90K troops makes no sense. PAF had already withdrawn F104s and much of the heavy equipment. This data from the Pakistan army it;s self. You think Pakistani army with as size of 230K troops in west Pakistan would 90K soldiers there?... it logistically impossible to field such numbers with garrsion support there.

You are free to believe what you like.

 

[LeGenD]

FAILED when they tried to invade India.



Arabs are tame and civilized. Their Monarchs sleep in soft mattress cooled by conditioning and have never seen hardship from the time they were born. Never washed their clothes, never cleaned their house or cooked their own food. They wouldn't know how to grow food or even catch food.

I am pretty sure they know this and hence know their place.

This post is in poor taste. Please do better.