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Why did the Supreme Court take control of the appointment of judges only in the early 1990s? Why did it not happen in the 1960s, 1970s, or even 1980s?

@jamahir
Collegium is a brahmanism’ assertion against Dalits/OBCs spectacular rise in politics through BSP & Samajwadis. Brahmanism wanted an organ to control parliament heavily occupied by Dalits/OBCs and that’s why collegium was evolved.

Vice President of India Jagdeep Dhankhar is now the highest constitutional authority to publicly criticise the collegium system of appointing judges to the Supreme Court and high courts. In his first address as the chairman of Rajya Sabha, Dhankhar made scathing remarks against the Supreme Court for striking down the National Judicial Appointments Commission Act, which was enacted as a replacement to the collegium system.

But the Supreme Court, like it had in 2015, is actively defending the collegium system today as well. It has shown its displeasure over the statement made by Law Minister Kiren Rijiju, who called the collegium system “vague” and “alien”. In a follow-up action, a three-judge bench of the Supreme Court told the Narendra Modi government that the collegium system is the “law of the land”, which should be “followed to the teeth.”

But it wasn’t always like this. Judges were appointed by the executive, a system that the Modi government wants the Indian judiciary to return to. The collegium system of appointing judges came about only in 1993. A nine-judge bench of the Supreme Court changed the meaning of “after consultation with” to “after concurrence with” in Article 124(2) of the Constitution, taking away the executive’s say in the appointment of judges. This seemingly innocent and innocuous change in semiotics was, in reality, an act of rewriting the Constitution by the judiciary, an act that had thrice been rejected during the Constituent Assembly debates.

So what were the circumstances under which the collegium system was born?

In this article, we will trace the moment, the historical juncture when the collegium system came about. We argue that during the 1980s and early 1990s, the political landscape of India was going through a process of metamorphosis and the ‘upper caste’ hegemony in legislature and executive was on the wane. The number of OBC (Other Backward Classes) legislatures was increasing and the pressure was so high that, on 7 August 1990, Prime Minister V.P. Singh implemented the ten-year-old Mandal Commission’s recommendations that reserved 27 percent jobs in central government services and public sector units for the OBCs. The ‘upper caste’ elites panicked.

The collegium system was an ‘upper’ caste response to this historical process which scholar Christophe Jaffrelot has famously called the Silent Revolution. This was possibly an attempt to keep at least one arm of the power structure in the control of the ‘upper’ caste elites.

Problem in existing explanations of genesis of collegium system

An unanswered question prevails when it comes to the collegium system–why did the Supreme Court take control of judges’ appointment only in the 1990s? Why did it not do so in the 1960s, 1970s, or even 1980s?

After the first democratic upsurge of 1967, which had resulted in non-Congress governments in various states, 1977 was the watershed year in Indian political journey when the national consensus of Congress being the ruling party of India was broken. The social coalition forged by the Congress since the 1950 was not able to fulfil the aspirations of large sections of the subaltern social groups.

Though the upheaval of 1977 was not led by the subaltern castes and communities, they were present there in the Total Revolution of Jayaprakash Narayan. This kindled the aspirations of the backward caste groups across the nation and their number in the legislature started increasing. In 1977, two OBC leaders – Ram Naresh Yadav and Karpoori Thakur – became chief ministers in Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. They introduced reservation in government jobs for the backward classes in their respective states.

Still, the process of subalternisation of politics largely remained confined to the states. Warning bell rang when these social groups came in large numbers to the Lok Sabha in 1989 and V.P. Singh became the prime minister with the help of these groups. The decade of the 1990s is known as the beginning of political uncertainties and social contestations. In the 1989 Lok Sabha election, no single party could get a majority, and Indian democracy entered the era of coalition government thereafter.

In fact, political scientist Atul Kohli famously referred to that period as ‘India’s Growing Crisis of Governability’. Similar arguments were also given by other political scientists such as M.P. Singh and Rajni Kothari in their respective articles – The Crisis of Indian State and The Crisis of Moderate State and Decline of Democracy. It was argued that due to coalition governments, there would not be stability in policy-making, and hence the decisions of governments would not be predicted.

Along with the emergence of coalition governments, the decade of 1990s is known for the implementation of the Mandal Commission report, which paved the way for entry of backward castes in the public offices hitherto dominated by the ‘upper’ castes. Political sociologist Christophe Jaffrelot finds that the decade of the 1990s is marked with the rise of backward castes in Parliament. In response to the crisis of Indian State/democracy hypothesis, Yogendra Yadav termed the rise of backward and Dalits in Indian democracy as Second Democratic Upsurge and Lucia Michelutti argued it to be Vernacularisation of Democracy, which has increased participation in the democracy. Recently, political scientist Pavithra Suryanarayn has demonstrated that the rise of backward castes have generated fear among ‘upper’ castes, particularly the Brahmins, that they would lose their social status, which comes from losing public office – a position of power and command – to the backward castes.

It was in this social-political context that the Supreme Court’s 1993 judgment in the Second Judges case, which introduced the collegium system, had come. Prior to this judgment, there had been two law ministers from backward castes — P. Shiv Shankar and B. Shankaranand. The two had pushed names of judges from backward castes. In fact, the process of appointment of judges from the backward castes started after the First Judges case in 1981, which gave the Union government the ultimate power of appointment in case of disagreement between the President and the CJI. There was already growing public contestation among judges for the appointment of judges from SC/ST community.


Also read: Ambedkar rejected collegium system, said CJI supremacy on judges’ appointment is dangerous


Insulating judiciary from the Silent Revolution

The analysis of the socio-political context around the genesis of the collegium system suggests that it came into existence to insulate judiciary from the rise of lower and backward castes in legislature and executive. It was perhaps a revolt of India’s social elites against the empowerment of the marginalised, especially the OBCs. The Congress party, which was ruling the country at the time, could not take a firm stance because it was fearful of harming the elites who were strong supporters of the party.

An interesting fact is that Congress leader and Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao was the law minister in 1993, while Kapil Sibal was the lawyer arguing in favour of the collegium system in the Supreme Court.

“it is essential that consultation must be institutional in the sense that the Chief Justice of India must, before expressing his view, consult two or three of his senior colleagues who can enlighten him on the merit of the recommendation made by the Chief Justice of the concerned State. Such a view when expressed would be the view not merely of the Chief Justice of India but of the judicial family as such; it must, therefore, carry weight and should be binding on the President of India,” Sibal had argued in the Supreme Court.

Sibal went on to become the law minister during the Manmohan Singh government. The Congress came back to power in 2004, but did not try to reverse the collegium system because the ecosystem of elites, which largely comes from urbanised upper castes, has been the beneficiary of this system.

Another important fact is that on 26 October 1990, former Chief Justice of India Justice Ranganath Mishra formed the nine-judge bench to hear the Second Judges Case. Other than Justice S. Ratnavel Pandian, all other judges belonged to the upper castes. After his retirement, Justice Mishra was appointed as the first chairman of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC). Later on, he was nominated to the Rajya Sabha in 1998 and remained its member until 2004. He headed another commission during the UPA government for examining the claims of Christian and Muslim minorities for inclusion in Scheduled Castes, which shows they remained in the good book of the Congress party.

The collegium system delivered its promises to the upper caste elites. The Centre has been requesting the Chief Justices of high courts and the CJI to give due consideration to suitable candidates from the SC, ST, and OBCs while sending proposals for appointment of judges. But the high courts and the Supreme Court have remained mostly upper caste territory. The social aspects of the judgements of the courts are beyond the scope of this article, so we are not venturing into that domain.

Arvind Kumar (@arvind_kumar__), PhD in Politics, Royal Holloway, University of London, and Associate Fellow of Higher Education Academy (AFHEA), United Kingdom.

Dilip Mandal is the former managing editor of India Today Hindi Magazine and has authored books on media and sociology. He tweets @Profdilipmandal.
Views are personal.

(Edited by Prashant)
https://theprint.in/opinion/this-is...he-collegium-system-was-born-in-1993/1256546/

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Collegium system was an upper caste response to Mandal Commission and the historical process which ⁦was called the Silent Revolution. This was an attempt to keep courts in the control of the upper caste elites.⁦
 
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@Drizzt, thank you for the historical context which also presents us with the logic that it must be replace with something simple. I wrote this some days ago in a discussion with Pakistani member @DESERT FIGHTER who's a lawyer in Pakistan.
 

Why did the Supreme Court take control of the appointment of judges only in the early 1990s? Why did it not happen in the 1960s, 1970s, or even 1980s?

@jamahir
Collegium is a brahmanism’ assertion against Dalits/OBCs spectacular rise in politics through BSP & Samajwadis. Brahmanism wanted an organ to control parliament heavily occupied by Dalits/OBCs and that’s why collegium was evolved.

Vice President of India Jagdeep Dhankhar is now the highest constitutional authority to publicly criticise the collegium system of appointing judges to the Supreme Court and high courts. In his first address as the chairman of Rajya Sabha, Dhankhar made scathing remarks against the Supreme Court for striking down the National Judicial Appointments Commission Act, which was enacted as a replacement to the collegium system.

But the Supreme Court, like it had in 2015, is actively defending the collegium system today as well. It has shown its displeasure over the statement made by Law Minister Kiren Rijiju, who called the collegium system “vague” and “alien”. In a follow-up action, a three-judge bench of the Supreme Court told the Narendra Modi government that the collegium system is the “law of the land”, which should be “followed to the teeth.”

But it wasn’t always like this. Judges were appointed by the executive, a system that the Modi government wants the Indian judiciary to return to. The collegium system of appointing judges came about only in 1993. A nine-judge bench of the Supreme Court changed the meaning of “after consultation with” to “after concurrence with” in Article 124(2) of the Constitution, taking away the executive’s say in the appointment of judges. This seemingly innocent and innocuous change in semiotics was, in reality, an act of rewriting the Constitution by the judiciary, an act that had thrice been rejected during the Constituent Assembly debates.

So what were the circumstances under which the collegium system was born?

In this article, we will trace the moment, the historical juncture when the collegium system came about. We argue that during the 1980s and early 1990s, the political landscape of India was going through a process of metamorphosis and the ‘upper caste’ hegemony in legislature and executive was on the wane. The number of OBC (Other Backward Classes) legislatures was increasing and the pressure was so high that, on 7 August 1990, Prime Minister V.P. Singh implemented the ten-year-old Mandal Commission’s recommendations that reserved 27 percent jobs in central government services and public sector units for the OBCs. The ‘upper caste’ elites panicked.

The collegium system was an ‘upper’ caste response to this historical process which scholar Christophe Jaffrelot has famously called the Silent Revolution. This was possibly an attempt to keep at least one arm of the power structure in the control of the ‘upper’ caste elites.

Problem in existing explanations of genesis of collegium system

An unanswered question prevails when it comes to the collegium system–why did the Supreme Court take control of judges’ appointment only in the 1990s? Why did it not do so in the 1960s, 1970s, or even 1980s?

After the first democratic upsurge of 1967, which had resulted in non-Congress governments in various states, 1977 was the watershed year in Indian political journey when the national consensus of Congress being the ruling party of India was broken. The social coalition forged by the Congress since the 1950 was not able to fulfil the aspirations of large sections of the subaltern social groups.

Though the upheaval of 1977 was not led by the subaltern castes and communities, they were present there in the Total Revolution of Jayaprakash Narayan. This kindled the aspirations of the backward caste groups across the nation and their number in the legislature started increasing. In 1977, two OBC leaders – Ram Naresh Yadav and Karpoori Thakur – became chief ministers in Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. They introduced reservation in government jobs for the backward classes in their respective states.

Still, the process of subalternisation of politics largely remained confined to the states. Warning bell rang when these social groups came in large numbers to the Lok Sabha in 1989 and V.P. Singh became the prime minister with the help of these groups. The decade of the 1990s is known as the beginning of political uncertainties and social contestations. In the 1989 Lok Sabha election, no single party could get a majority, and Indian democracy entered the era of coalition government thereafter.

In fact, political scientist Atul Kohli famously referred to that period as ‘India’s Growing Crisis of Governability’. Similar arguments were also given by other political scientists such as M.P. Singh and Rajni Kothari in their respective articles – The Crisis of Indian State and The Crisis of Moderate State and Decline of Democracy. It was argued that due to coalition governments, there would not be stability in policy-making, and hence the decisions of governments would not be predicted.

Along with the emergence of coalition governments, the decade of 1990s is known for the implementation of the Mandal Commission report, which paved the way for entry of backward castes in the public offices hitherto dominated by the ‘upper’ castes. Political sociologist Christophe Jaffrelot finds that the decade of the 1990s is marked with the rise of backward castes in Parliament. In response to the crisis of Indian State/democracy hypothesis, Yogendra Yadav termed the rise of backward and Dalits in Indian democracy as Second Democratic Upsurge and Lucia Michelutti argued it to be Vernacularisation of Democracy, which has increased participation in the democracy. Recently, political scientist Pavithra Suryanarayn has demonstrated that the rise of backward castes have generated fear among ‘upper’ castes, particularly the Brahmins, that they would lose their social status, which comes from losing public office – a position of power and command – to the backward castes.

It was in this social-political context that the Supreme Court’s 1993 judgment in the Second Judges case, which introduced the collegium system, had come. Prior to this judgment, there had been two law ministers from backward castes — P. Shiv Shankar and B. Shankaranand. The two had pushed names of judges from backward castes. In fact, the process of appointment of judges from the backward castes started after the First Judges case in 1981, which gave the Union government the ultimate power of appointment in case of disagreement between the President and the CJI. There was already growing public contestation among judges for the appointment of judges from SC/ST community.


Also read: Ambedkar rejected collegium system, said CJI supremacy on judges’ appointment is dangerous


Insulating judiciary from the Silent Revolution

The analysis of the socio-political context around the genesis of the collegium system suggests that it came into existence to insulate judiciary from the rise of lower and backward castes in legislature and executive. It was perhaps a revolt of India’s social elites against the empowerment of the marginalised, especially the OBCs. The Congress party, which was ruling the country at the time, could not take a firm stance because it was fearful of harming the elites who were strong supporters of the party.

An interesting fact is that Congress leader and Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao was the law minister in 1993, while Kapil Sibal was the lawyer arguing in favour of the collegium system in the Supreme Court.

“it is essential that consultation must be institutional in the sense that the Chief Justice of India must, before expressing his view, consult two or three of his senior colleagues who can enlighten him on the merit of the recommendation made by the Chief Justice of the concerned State. Such a view when expressed would be the view not merely of the Chief Justice of India but of the judicial family as such; it must, therefore, carry weight and should be binding on the President of India,” Sibal had argued in the Supreme Court.

Sibal went on to become the law minister during the Manmohan Singh government. The Congress came back to power in 2004, but did not try to reverse the collegium system because the ecosystem of elites, which largely comes from urbanised upper castes, has been the beneficiary of this system.

Another important fact is that on 26 October 1990, former Chief Justice of India Justice Ranganath Mishra formed the nine-judge bench to hear the Second Judges Case. Other than Justice S. Ratnavel Pandian, all other judges belonged to the upper castes. After his retirement, Justice Mishra was appointed as the first chairman of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC). Later on, he was nominated to the Rajya Sabha in 1998 and remained its member until 2004. He headed another commission during the UPA government for examining the claims of Christian and Muslim minorities for inclusion in Scheduled Castes, which shows they remained in the good book of the Congress party.

The collegium system delivered its promises to the upper caste elites. The Centre has been requesting the Chief Justices of high courts and the CJI to give due consideration to suitable candidates from the SC, ST, and OBCs while sending proposals for appointment of judges. But the high courts and the Supreme Court have remained mostly upper caste territory. The social aspects of the judgements of the courts are beyond the scope of this article, so we are not venturing into that domain.

Arvind Kumar (@arvind_kumar__), PhD in Politics, Royal Holloway, University of London, and Associate Fellow of Higher Education Academy (AFHEA), United Kingdom.

Dilip Mandal is the former managing editor of India Today Hindi Magazine and has authored books on media and sociology. He tweets @Profdilipmandal.
Views are personal.

(Edited by Prashant)
https://theprint.in/opinion/this-is...he-collegium-system-was-born-in-1993/1256546/

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@Drizzt, thank you for the historical context which also presents us with the logic that it must be replace with something simple. I wrote this some days ago in a discussion with Pakistani member @DESERT FIGHTER who's a lawyer in Pakistan.
Collegium system, Lateral Entry in Bureaucracy, BCCI in sports, etc everything where some Brahman is saying need to remove government control. Its specifically to keep OBC SC ST and minorities out.

BCCI is actually a family business of bunch of Brahmists, Indian cricket team you see is not actually Indian but owned and managed by private individuals.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...erning-body/story-xbCjEkBKSkchQeDOjXAY7M.html

You will also understand why very few Muslim players are there in BCCI cricket team.

We not having a good media is the biggest drawback, we can't inform and educate our people. I think its possible now to overcome it using Social media and internet. If you see the Privatization, Collegium system, BCCI current form etc all were done by Congress. Now, BJP is reaping it benefits. This is why there is no difference between BJP and Congress in policy on things that actually matters. Only difference you will find would be on things that don't matter much in the long term.
 
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@Drizzt, thank you for the historical context which also presents us with the logic that it must be replace with something simple. I wrote this some days ago in a discussion with Pakistani member @DESERT FIGHTER who's a lawyer in Pakistan.
Some more side effects of collegium system, family Brahmani business like BCCI

Brahmins born twice with clean habits, should be at helm of affairs: Kerala HC Judge V Chidambaresh
Read more At:

Let me give a sample of their so called clean habits, shattering their meticulously crafted public image and present them in their bare human form.

Leaked MMS video of Justice Jitendra Kumar Mishra of Delhi High Court goes viral | Misbehavior with Female Stenographer | Collegium System

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Brahmanists at Collegium seems to have taken down the video it seems, citing it being explicit. But, we know the true intention, its of course the Brahman gang in higher judiciary want to protect their fellow Brahman Judge.
https://kashmirdotcom.in/2022/11/30/leaked-mms-video-of-judge-goes-viral/


Devadasi – Holy Aryan Hindu Prostitution System in Upper Caste Temples

https://velivada.com/2018/02/08/devadasi-holy-aryan-hindu-prostitution-system-indian-temples/
 
@Chat SAMOSA
there are other stuff too, that your ancestors wrote against OBC SC ST. Translation is correct, its Shudrasthu Vadhamhti... Shudra is OBC not Dalit(SC), SC ST are outside the caste system. 'Vadh' your Brahmani word for so called right murder.
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Collegium system is a corrupt self serving mafia cartel in the garbs of justice system. It must be undone.

No representation to SC/ST/OBC. All buddy buddy among family of judges.
Yes, this Nepotism/of family of judges, hits us OBC SC ST the hardest. Upper caste is only disadvantaged by Nepotism, but for OBC SC ST double disadvantage.

Because, family relations are within caste, Almost nil chance, only if some rare OBC SC ST excels to a high degree he will get some chance, to break through the steep twin entry barriers.

@jamahir
Similar, entry barrier for minorities also, since family relations are also within religion. Only some rare Muslim or Christian is able to reach Higher judiciary.
 
@Chat SAMOSA
there are other stuff too, that your ancestors wrote against OBC SC ST. Translation is correct, its Shudrasthu Vadhamhti... Shudra is OBC not Dalit(SC), SC ST are outside the caste system. 'Vadh' your Brahmani word for so called right murder.
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That's somewhat silly. OBC is category created by us and if someone pays sufficient money to a few politicians it can be added to and subtracted from. When you translate sonething you cannot change it to your opinions.
 
Some more side effects of collegium system, family Brahmani business like BCCI

Brahmins born twice with clean habits, should be at helm of affairs: Kerala HC Judge V Chidambaresh
Read more At:

Seems like the "honorable" judge inspired this BJP leader in Gujarat to declare the eleven rapists of Bilkis Bano who were also the murderers of her family including by smashing the head of her three-year-old daughter with a stone, as "Good Brahmans, sanskaari people" :

Let me give a sample of their so called clean habits, shattering their meticulously crafted public image and present them in their bare human form.

Leaked MMS video of Justice Jitendra Kumar Mishra of Delhi High Court goes viral | Misbehavior with Female Stenographer | Collegium System

FitxCxJakAAn6g4.jpg
Brahmanists at Collegium seems to have taken down the video it seems, citing it being explicit. But, we know the true intention, its of course the Brahman gang in higher judiciary want to protect their fellow Brahman Judge.
https://kashmirdotcom.in/2022/11/30/leaked-mms-video-of-judge-goes-viral/

Well, this seems a consensual thing made into a scandal in the style of fake-moral Western establishment and its media. Consensual sex between male and female whether a 15-year-old girl and a 30-year-old man, or a 25-year-old female teacher in love with her 15-year-old male student, or a hierarchically-above male doing it with his female assistant... all this is haraam but gay love - two males dicking it and kissing in public - is all halaal, and the Western establishment, especially in Britain begins brainwashing 5-year-old school students to accept and normalize gay love through school books and celeb gays like Ian McKellan visiting schools to do gay propaganda :

McKellen takes gay tour to schools​

In a campaign against homophobia in education, Stonewall has enlisted the actor Sir Ian McKellen to do a nationwide tour of schools
Sir Ian McKellen on a visit to a secondary school on behalf of Stonewall

Sir Ian McKellen (right) with Ben Doyle, deputy head boy, and Zahra Al Moozany, head girl, as he visits secondary schools on behalf of the gay equality charity Stonewall. Photograph: Rossett School

Gary Nunn
@garynunn1
Tue 12 Apr 2011 07.45 BST
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/apr/12/ian-mckellen-gay-tour-schools#comments
"Do you know any gay people?" Sir Ian McKellen asks. Silence. Heads shake. "Well, you do now. I'm gay." It's my turn to speak up. "You know two now. I used to go to this school – and I'm gay," I offer. "You know three now," a sixth-former chips in. The other pupils don't look too surprised, and he seems admirably comfortable in his sexuality. Silence. Then: "Erm. Well. You know four now." Heads shoot around to see a uniformed boy, leaning close to McKellen. Mouths fall slightly open – including mine – but nobody speaks. Then McKellen says, in that mellifluous voice of his, "Well. How about that? It turns out we all know quite a few more gay people than we thought we did."

This is the third month of McKellen's nationwide "role model" tour of secondary schools on behalf of Stonewall, the gay equality charity that he co-founded, and which I work for, and the two of us have come to Hundred of Hoo comprehensive in Kent, which I left over a decade ago.

It has become a familiar scene for him. "My school visits are often rewarded by people coming out," he says. "And I don't just mean pupils – I've heard staff coming out to their heads on my visits, too."

McKellen obviously has a powerful effect on the schools he visits; how does this make him feel? "A bit overwhelmed – and privileged," he says.

Gandalf has worked his magic in 54 secondary schools over the last two years. His dream? An education system free of the homophobia that has plagued it for years – and a curriculum that fully includes lesbian, gay and bisexual people.

Hundred of Hoo has recently come out of special measures and is no stranger to underachievement. McKellen and Stonewall see visits to schools like this as crucial to ensure that not one ounce of potential is lost for today's gay pupils – especially for those who under-perform because their confidence has been battered by bullying.

Homophobia was rife when I was a pupil. "Freak", "queer" and "disgusting" were familiar words, aimed at anyone, like me, who was perceived to be gay. Consequently, nobody dared to come out. This created an un-virtuous circle; teachers could see no reason to address gay issues in lessons when there appeared to be no gay pupils. It wasn't until I left that I discovered three of my best school friends were also gay. We had been too scared even to admit it to each other.

The notorious "section 28" law, introduced in 1988 when Margaret Thatcher was prime minister, was to blame for much of this. This made it illegal to "promote" homosexuality in schools. So homophobia festered unchallenged for 15 years until its repeal in 2003. But the hangover remains. Recent YouGov research for Stonewall found that nine in 10 secondary school teachers say their pupils experience homophobic bullying, but nine in 10 have never received any training on how to tackle it. Ninety five per cent of teachers hear the phrases "you're so gay" or "that's so gay". Homophobia is so commonplace that "gay" has entered the school vernacular as a synonym for anything inadequate.

But I hardly recognised this school upon my return. Gay issues are very much on the agenda – and pupils are refreshingly honest about their prejudices. "We Googled you yesterday Ganda … I mean Sir Ian!" says a 12-year-old girl. "We were well surprised when we found out you were gay, because you're nothing like Alan Carr!" McKellen replies that gay people come in all shapes, sizes and personalities, just like straight people. He knows Alan and he is just like that off-screen, too. The most important thing is that he can be himself.
The class listens eagerly as the actor tells them he didn't come out publicly until 1988, at the age of 49, because section 28 was being debated in parliament. "Did you worry it might destroy your career?" a pupil asks. Yes, but that was a risk he was willing to take, McKellen says, as he explains why gay visibility was so important at that time.

How has he found the pupil reactions? "Until I visited secondary schools recently, I hadn't realised how much anti-gay bullying goes on," he says. "By talking frankly about my own life as a gay man and listening to the concerns of staff, students, parents and governors, I hope the visits may make a difference and also give confidence to gay students about their lives in the future."

Homophobic language

It's time for the all-school assembly, the grand finale of Gandalf's visit. "I'm not useless," McKellen asserts in my old school hall, "but when you use that word as an insulting adjective, that's what you're saying about me. So please, watch your language. Because if you don't, you mightn't watch your actions…" He goes on to tell how Ian Baynham was recently killed in a homophobic hate attack by teenagers. "The girl who stamped on his head might have used 'gay' to mean anything rubbish and useless. And that probably convinced her that gay people were rubbish and useless – and don't deserve to live."

This has a profound effect on two year 10 friends, who tell me: "We didn't realise calling things 'gay' could offend someone. It was touching when he talked about never being able to tell his mum he was gay. One of our best friends is gay and he gets abused for it. We hope it will stop now."

McKellen also visits lessons to promote Stonewall's curriculum guidance called "Oh no! Not the gay thing!", which advises teachers how to integrate gay issues into classes. In science lessons it can be a relief for gay pupils to learn about same-sex attraction as a natural fact in other species. And same-sex relationships can make pupils think carefully about grammar in modern languages.

Stonewall's new campaign in schools also includes Lance Corporal James Wharton, who, at 24, is the new poster boy for modern gay equality: he was the first openly gay soldier to appear on the cover of Soldier, the Armed Forces' magazine. Wharton will be touring schools with Stonewall over the next three months. There are also plans for a school intervention from a celebrated high-achieving lesbian or bisexual woman role model – who knows, she may be coming to a classroom near you soon.
So gayness is celebrated but male-female relationships are scandalized.

Devadasi – Holy Aryan Hindu Prostitution System in Upper Caste Temples

https://velivada.com/2018/02/08/devadasi-holy-aryan-hindu-prostitution-system-indian-temples/

The below extract describes Indian society as one of extreme Capitalism and of misogyny but the Devadasis exist as use-and-throw articles :
Many of these women were tiny girls when they became Devadasies, “dedicated” to the sect by poverty-stricken parents unable to pay their future dowries and hopeful that a pleased goddess would make the next pregnancy a boy.
 
Seems like the "honorable" judge inspired this BJP leader in Gujarat to declare the eleven rapists of Bilkis Bano who were also the murderers of her family including by smashing the head of her three-year-old daughter with a stone, as "Good Brahmans, sanskaari people" :



Well, this seems a consensual thing made into a scandal in the style of fake-moral Western establishment and its media. Consensual sex between male and female whether a 15-year-old girl and a 30-year-old man, or a 25-year-old female teacher in love with her 15-year-old male student, or a hierarchically-above male doing it with his female assistant... all this is haraam but gay love - two males dicking it and kissing in public - is all halaal, and the Western establishment, especially in Britain begins brainwashing 5-year-old school students to accept and normalize gay love through school books and celeb gays like Ian McKellan visiting schools to do gay propaganda :

So gayness is celebrated but male-female relationships are scandalized.



The below extract describes Indian society as one of extreme Capitalism and of misogyny but the Devadasis exist as use-and-throw articles :
You can understand the mindset of these Brahmanists when they support criminals who smashed a 3 year old's head with a stone.
A Brahman does most heinous crime imaginable like killing smashing a 3 year old's head, and then raping child's mother. And 40% most fanatic Brahmans given open support to criminal. And, I say 95% give silent support by being quite about it. 4% Brahmans who speak against it, not sure if they are genuine or speaking strategically/just lip service, just because they are in Congress or Left.

What's most surprising is, these Brahmanists have created a public image through media clout, that they are very nice saintly, good natured people. In their holy books and religious tv series, they show themselves as most pious and good natured. But, when you scratch the surface and dig deeper, you will find their thinking is even worse than Klu Klux Klan. They basically created the Biggest and Longest Apartheid system in the world called caste system. And they are so much proud of caste system, they display creator of caste system Manu's statue before Rajasthan High court. Some British Judge once remarked that Brahmans should not appointed as Judges because they lack basic human empathy and sense of justice.
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Yes, it may be consensual but it was happening on court premises. But, I think truth will only be out after impartial investigation. It could be that Judge forced the steno by threatening to spoil the career to help her career if she complies. When she felt deceived, she deceived the deceiver. Some crimes are too twisted and have no provision in IPC. It depends on who initiated it first and in what way. Judge and Steno are surely not of decent character, to have done in Court premises.
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Devdasi system is basically Brahman temple priests inventing and using cunning superstitions, to exploit girls from poor families. Then using them for prostitution. You will be amazed how shamelessly some of them defend it.

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You can understand the mindset of these Brahmanists when they support criminals who smashed a 3 year old's head with a stone.
A Brahman does most heinous crime imaginable like killing smashing a 3 year old's head, and then raping child's mother. And 40% most fanatic Brahmans given open support to criminal. And, I say 95% give silent support by being quite about it. 4% Brahmans who speak against it, not sure if they are genuine or speaking strategically/just lip service, just because they are in Congress or Left.

What's most surprising is, these Brahmanists have created a public image through media clout, that they are very nice saintly, good natured people. In their holy books and religious tv series, they show themselves as most pious and good natured. But, when you scratch the surface and dig deeper, you will find their thinking is even worse than Klu Klux Klan. They basically created the Biggest and Longest Apartheid system in the world called caste system. And they are so much proud of caste system, they display creator of caste system Manu's statue before Rajasthan High court. Some British Judge once remarked that Brahmans should not appointed as Judges because they lack basic human empathy and sense of justice.

Agree to most but I will pick up on your "four percent Brahmans speaking against traditional brutality" figure and say that there are also principled Brahman-origin people like Ravish Kumar who left NDTV instead of being used as tool by the new organization under the patron of the Hindutvadi government. He left a financially lucrative position at NDTV - internet says he earned three crore per year there. :)

Yes, it may be consensual but it was happening on court premises. But, I think truth will only be out after impartial investigation. It could be that Judge forced the steno by threatening to spoil the career to help her career if she complies. When she felt deceived, she deceived the deceiver. Some crimes are too twisted and have no provision in IPC. It depends on who initiated it first and in what way. Judge and Steno are surely not of decent character, to have done in Court premises.

1. Well, most love liasons are initiated and pursued by one party, yes ? So nothing wrong there even if the judge initiated. :)

2. About "not decent character", how does one define character ? Is bhramachaari Baba Ramdev decent ? :) But I agree with you to the extent that the judge and the steno should have picked a better place for their dalliances, not one with CCTV.

Devdasi system is basically Brahman temple priests inventing and using cunning superstitions, to exploit girls from poor families. Then using them for prostitution. You will be amazed how shamelessly some of them defend it.

Indeed.
 
Agree to most but I will pick up on your "four percent Brahmans speaking against traditional brutality" figure and say that there are also principled Brahman-origin people like Ravish Kumar who left NDTV instead of being used as tool by the new organization under the patron of the Hindutvadi government. He left a financially lucrative position at NDTV - internet says he earned three crore per year there. :)



1. Well, most love liasons are initiated and pursued by one party, yes ? So nothing wrong there even if the judge initiated. :)

2. About "not decent character", how does one define character ? Is bhramachaari Baba Ramdev decent ? :) But I agree with you to the extent that the judge and the steno should have picked a better place for their dalliances, not one with CCTV.



Indeed.
If you flip through these mainstream TV channels, it was and still is 100% upper caste, Left Right and Center. High cost of satellite broadcast media, acted as unsurmountable entry barrier for OBC SC ST and minority journalists. But, now with internet and video sharing platforms like Youtube, barrier of entry has been lowered, lots of OBC SC ST and minorities are doing journalism and spreading knowledge. Now, I don't have to depend on Ravish Kumar 100%, have better options of fellow OBC SC ST journalists.

I see a trend that lot of these left leaning upper caste journos are quitting their corporate jobs and getting followers on social media. Ravish Kumar can at the maximum offer you neutrality, its not enough to counter the damage these Right wing upper caste channels are doing.

Most of these mainstream media channels are funded by Upper caste sitting on generational wealth, they gained by looting and exploiting OBC SC ST over generations. I still say most of these left leaning Congress and Left upper caste are fake and have no genuine empathy. They fake it for strategic reasons.

Maybe they are genuine as you say, but there is no 100% guarantee. For me its safety first, blind trust is not good. Too much at stake.

I'm also saying why not a Muslim, OBC, SC ST journalist ? Why not give them a chance too ?
I did a random search, checkout this Hind Voice channel.
 
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