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NEW DELHI/BEIJING: A new battle-line is being drawn between India and Pakistan in the arena of armed drones. Even as India is engaged in advanced talks with the US to acquire armed Predator-B or weaponized Sea Guardian drones, China is now going to sell 48 of its latest Wing Loong-II strike drones to Pakistan as well as jointly manufacture them with its “all-weather ally” at a later stage.

Indian military experts, however, were quite unperturbed about the development. “They will be good targets for our air defence missile systems. Unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) like Wing Loong-IIs may be good over Chhattisgarh but will be dead meat in defended or hostile airspace along the Line of Control or for that matter, Doklam,” said a senior officer.

The news about the Wing Loong-II deal emanating from Beijing and Islamabad, incidentally, comes soon after India inked the $5.43 billion (Rs 40,000 crore) deal with Russia for advanced S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems, which can track and destroy hostile strategic bombers, stealth fighters, spy planes, missiles and drones from 380-km away.

The reports did not mention the cost or delivery schedule of the deal for the Wing Loong-IIs, which are manufactured by the Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Group, but they are billed as China’s latest strike-capable, medium-altitude, long-endurance (MALE) reconnaissance drones. With a payload capacity of over 400-kg, Wing Loong-II can carry armaments like the Lan Jian-7 (Blue Arrow-7) air-to-surface missiles and TG-100 laser-guided bombs.

India, of course, already has some weaponized drones in its UAV fleet. It has upgraded its Israeli-origin Heron and Searcher-II drones with “add-ons” to ensure they can undertake combat missions over and above their surveillance and precision-targeting roles.

India also inked the Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement (COMCASA) with the US last month, which will allow it greater access to military platforms with encrypted and secure communications and data links like the Predator-B or weaponized Sea Guardian drones. Such armed drones can track enemy targets and then let loose “Hellfire” missiles and “smart bombs” on them before returning to their home bases to re-arm for the next mission like manned fighter jets.


Indian officers contend their “armed Herons”, which are also MALE drones capable of flying for well over 24 hours at heights over 32,000-feet, are “somewhat better” than the Wing Loong-IIs. “The American Predators and Reapers are in a different league altogether. They are much more technologically advanced than the Wing Loong-IIs, with better engines for higher ranges and speed,” said an officer.


The Chinese drones, however, are much cheaper than the American ones. With the US also restricting the export of armed drones, Chinese drones have found ready buyers in Egypt, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia and Uzbekistan, among others.


Reporting China’s move to sell the 48 Wing Loong-IIs to Pakistan, the state-controlled Global Times quoted a military expert, Song Zhongping, as saying that the deal, if confirmed, would be Beijing’s largest export deal for drones till date.


Pakistan Air Force's Sherdils Aerobatic Team has confirmed the deal on its official Facebook account on Sunday, the newspaper said. The aerobatics team also said the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra and the Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Group will jointly manufacture the Wing Loong-II drones in the future. China and Pakistan already jointly manufacture the JF-17 Thunder, a single-engine multi-role fighter jet.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...india-is-not-ruffled/articleshow/66141566.cms
 
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Indian officers contend their “armed Herons”, which are also MALE drones capable of flying for well over 24 hours at heights over 32,000-feet, are “somewhat better” than the Wing Loong-IIs. “The American Predators and Reapers are in a different league altogether. They are much more technologically advanced than the Wing Loong-IIs, with better engines for higher ranges and speed,” said an officer.
Obviously our armed Herons are better.
But the add on armed Heron we have currently can carry only 6 missiles.
 
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PAF already has the distinction of scoring first ever air to air kill of a drone when back in 2002 it destroyed an intruding UAV (Searcher-II) of Indian Air Force on the night of 7th June, 2002, during Ops Sentinel. This was the first kill of a UAV at night by any fighter aircraft in the world....since then numerous other Indian drones have been shot down by the Pakistan Army, so no guessing who has had more practice to turkey shoot whatever the Indians acquire from US or Israel.

IAF_Searcher_display_PAF.jpg
 
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Capability isn't solely gauged by range.

It can be. But a good engine can do many other things, like more electrical power for electronics, better control during flight, less chance of failure, more service life, less maintenance costs, and so on.

https://aerospaceamerica.aiaa.org/departments/china-plays-catch-up-to-u-s-drones/
China’s Wing Loong 2 remotely piloted aircraft looks nearly identical to the MQ-9 Reaper, but U.S. analysts say the design lacks the engine power and flight range of the Reaper, highlighting the challenges facing China’s aerospace engineers as they work to match U.S. drone capabilities.

The Heron TP is more capable than the Reaper. The Reaper has 600KW engines, while the Heron has 900KW engines.
 
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It can be. But a good engine can do many other things, like more electrical power for electronics, better control during flight, less chance of failure, more service life, less maintenance costs, and so on.

https://aerospaceamerica.aiaa.org/departments/china-plays-catch-up-to-u-s-drones/
China’s Wing Loong 2 remotely piloted aircraft looks nearly identical to the MQ-9 Reaper, but U.S. analysts say the design lacks the engine power and flight range of the Reaper, highlighting the challenges facing China’s aerospace engineers as they work to match U.S. drone capabilities.

The Heron TP is more capable than the Reaper. The Reaper has 600KW engines, while the Heron has 900KW engines.

Engine power does not determine chance of failure, service life, maintenance costs, or flight control. In a similar fashion, engine power does not predict the performance of the UAV's onboard sensors, weapons systems, datalink capabilities, and flight control software, arguably just as if not more important than raw engine performance.
 
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With the WingLong-2 drones Pakistan's war on terror will get a massive boost and PAF can reduce its asset deployment on western border for re allocation. And they will be cheaper to operate than Gunships and Jets.

This purchase is not India centric.
 
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India has a multilayered air defence system that can handle all kinds of threats.
It can range from slow moving drones to ballistic missiles.
 
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Engine power does not determine chance of failure, service life, maintenance costs, or flight control. In a similar fashion, engine power does not predict the performance of the UAV's onboard sensors, weapons systems, datalink capabilities, and flight control software, arguably just as if not more important than raw engine performance.

Engines are extremely important for UAVs since the aircraft has to fly for an entire day and last 40,000 hours or more in terms of service life.

Everything else is up in the air, no point speculating.
 
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