The Turkish Navy Superior To The Russian Black Sea Fleet ?

[Nishan_101]

Turkish Navy should deploy its Fleet consisting of Frigates, Corvettes and Submarines on regualr basis to keep an eye on Israel, Syria and Russian out there...

 

[BronzePlaque]

What do you say? They "have" a superior Navy compared to Russian Black Sea Fleet. Their F-16 Fighter is far superior than Russian "Outdated" Fighters. They should capable to do it. But, well, of course if what they claim is true. After all, they have already have the "Casus BellI' to justified their action. What is more righteous and glorious than act as Global Police and free Crimea and free Tatar Civilians and return them to Ukraine from those "Invader". Just don't wait for the big brother US who still taking a break after their long term exercise in Afghanistan and Iraq. And forget those West European NATO who still traumatic with their WW2 experience.

Do you know the real meaning of "Casus Belli"?? Keep in mind, this is not Call of Duty 4

 

[airmarshal]

Forget it! Refer to the Russo Turkish wars from 1820s to 1870s and see how Russia defeated the Ottoman Empire several times. Even if the fleet is superior, Turkey does not build all of their equipment while Russia does.

 

[ptldM3]

Dont expect me give answers to you. Naval logistics isnt all about auxy ships. If you were a rational thinking poster, I would be welcomed to discuss. But seeing you are not and being incapable at some important subjects such as logistics or aerial asw warfare..au revoir.

You won't answer because you can't. Auxiliary ships comprise tankers, tug boast, salvage vessels (repair boats, cranes), resupply vessels, barges, rescue vessels, medical vessels, ect, ect, ect.

Now enlighten me on what logistics i am ignorant on because i see a pattern here, every debate i have with someone that doesn't know what they are talking about or pretend they know what they are talking about resort to the same tactics as you--refusal to debate the subject because they portray them selves as too good or the other person too ignorant when in reality you dug yourself into a hole.

 

[Superboy]

A fleet can be compared to another fleet. A navy can be compared to another navy. A country can be compared to another country. An alliance can be compared to another alliance. Black sea fleet is a fleet. Turkish navy is a navy. So they cannot be compared to each other. The distances between Sevastopol and Ankara, Istanbul are under 550 km. Therefore, Su-27 / 35 jets based at the Belbek air base in Sevastopol can pose a significant threat to Turkey. Note Abkhazia is missing from the map. Georgia lost over half of its coastline with the 2008 South Ossetia War.

 

[atatwolf]

Forget it! Refer to the Russo Turkish wars from 1820s to 1870s and see how Russia defeated the Ottoman Empire several times. Even if the fleet is superior, Turkey does not build all of their equipment while Russia does.

When ottomans were loosing wars in Russo Turkish war it was already sick man of Europe. Not comparable to today. Turkey is full modernised army. With superior navy and second biggest air force of NATO. Russian navy is outdated and it's army undisciplined. Russians lost several wars like Afghan war. First Chechen war. They threw in the towels in the ring against couple of Chechens. You think they can easily win from Caucasus front? Turkey, Azerbaijan and Georgia? Plus the Chechens are not away. They will take the opportunity to push back Russia to the Volga river.

 

[Superboy]

When ottomans were loosing wars in Russo Turkish war it was already sick man of Europe. Not comparable to today. Turkey is full modernised army. With superior navy and second biggest air force of NATO. Russian navy is outdated and it's army undisciplined. Russians lost several wars like Afghan war. First Chechen war. They threw in the towels in the ring against couple of Chechens. You think they can easily win from Caucasus front? Turkey, Azerbaijan and Georgia? Plus the Chechens are not away. They will take the opportunity to push back Russia to the Volga river.

The Republic of Chechnya has a pro Russian government. Azerbaijan is Shia and closely associated with Iran. Neither of them would ally with Turkey. Georgia lost South Ossetia and Abkhazia along with over half of its coastline with the 2008 South Ossetia War. Georgia would think twice before messing with Russia again.

 

[LordTyrannus]

Russia is maybe weak in using NGOs against our Enemies. But we have a strong Inteligence and our Military Might is not questionable. In a War Mother Russia turns into a giant furious Bear.

Nobody should stand in our way.

 

[atatwolf]

Russia is maybe weak in using NGOs against our Enemies. But we have a strong Inteligence and our Military Might is not questionable. In a War Mother Russia turns into a giant furious Bear.

Nobody should stand in our way.

You lost first cold war, second cold war you will loose more.

The Republic of Chechnya has a pro Russian government.

So what? Ukraine also had pro russian government, puahaha, installing a puppet everybody can do.

Azerbaijan is Shia and closely associated with Iran.

You just embarrassed YOURself AND revealed you don't know anything. Azerbaijan and Iran are enemies. How close Azerbaijan and Turkey is, so far is Iran and Azerbaijan from each other.

Neither of them would ally with Turkey. Georgia lost South Ossetia and Abkhazia along with over half of its coastline with the 2008 South Ossetia War. Georgia would think twice before messing with Russia again.

Georgia wants it back. There are regular meetings. Case closed. The reality on the ground is that there is caucasus front. Everybody, besides armenia has the itnerest of keeping Russia out.

 

[airmarshal]

When ottomans were loosing wars in Russo Turkish war it was already sick man of Europe. Not comparable to today. Turkey is full modernised army. With superior navy and second biggest air force of NATO. Russian navy is outdated and it's army undisciplined. Russians lost several wars like Afghan war. First Chechen war. They threw in the towels in the ring against couple of Chechens. You think they can easily win from Caucasus front? Turkey, Azerbaijan and Georgia? Plus the Chechens are not away. They will take the opportunity to push back Russia to the Volga river.

I m not disagreeing with you. But remember when Nazis attacked Russia in 1941, Russia was an outdated country with its army on horseback and ramshackle modes of transportation with little or not artillery or air force to talk about.

Then it turned around and took half of Europe within 4 four years!

Russia is completely self sufficient in military technology. Its not in an alliance with anyone. On its own, it can take on any country. It destroyed Chechen opposition, no matter how brutal it was, but the result was it wanted. Also it took away parts of Georgia and now a major strategic part of Ukraine.

As for war in Afghanistan, dont forget that US is also in a same state there. It has no victory to show there despite such massive expenditure. So I agree with @LordTyrannus on this.

 

[Superboy]

You lost first cold war, second cold war you will loose more.

Russia did not lose any territory with the breakup of the USSR. Not a single square inch. The Cold War never ended.

You just embarrassed YOURself AND revealed you don't know anything. Azerbaijan and Iran are enemies. How close Azerbaijan and Turkey is, so far is Iran and Azerbaijan from each other.

Azerbaijan neighbors both Russia and Iran. Plus, Azerbaijan has the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict with Armenia. It would be suicidal for Azerbaijian to turn against Russia.

 

[atatwolf]

I m not disagreeing with you. But remember when Nazis attacked Russia in 1941, Russia was an outdated country with its army on horseback and ramshackle modes of transportation with little or not artillery or air force to talk about.

It is not the same. Germany lost because of the cold weather. They prepared for blitzkrieg and not for the winter. If Germany prepared for the winter. Russians would be pooched. They were lucky Germany's army was being led by a moron.

Russians won thanks to Central Asians, especially on western front. Today Central Asians won't fight a war for Russia. They were forced to fight anyway. Today Russia doesn't have the population and especially in coming decade Russia will become older population. Russians doesn't have discipline. That is why they lost against Chechens, in Afghanistan, etc.

Turkey has NATO standard army. It won't make offensive move but will protect Azerbaijan at all cost. I don't see Russia making a move because if they do they know what awaits them. Russia doesn't make a chance against a NATO standard army. If Russia makes a move on a NATO country, a shyte load of things will get into motion that will not turn nice for them. A lot of people(s) inside and outside who see Russia as a threat will take advantage.

 

[Superboy]

It is not the same. Germany lost because of the cold weather. They prepared for blitzkrieg and not for the winter. If Germany prepared for the winter. Russians would be pooched. They were lucky Germany's army was being led by a moron.

Russians won thanks to Central Asians, especially on western front. Today Central Asians won't fight a war for Russia. They were forced to fight anyway. Today Russia doesn't have the population and especially in coming decade Russia will become older population. Russians doesn't have discipline. That is why they lost against Chechens, in Afghanistan, etc.

Turkey has NATO standard army. It won't make offensive move but will protect Azerbaijan at all cost. I don't see Russia making a move because if they do they know what awaits them. Russia doesn't make a chance against a NATO standard army. If Russia makes a move on a NATO country, a shyte load of things will get into motion that will not turn nice for them. A lot of people(s) inside and outside who see Russia as a threat will take advantage.

The Third Reich had no chance of conquering the USSR. The USSR had technology on their side. In modern war, you don't win without technology.

 

[damm1t]

Yare yare... what a bunch of russkie ball lovers here... trying to prove that russia has bigger tool than Türkiye (not turkey as some idiots think we choosed the name via plebiscite or something, as if english is only language to speak and the word "Turkey" is only way to name the country) with their miserable inferiority complex... be man bring your countries in game instead sucking another one's ball... yes we are men enough to compare us with a regional power and claim in some points we are better... that should be something unfamiliar to some of you guys since your nation probably never was the dominant power in timeline like us and those russkies and you don't carry that empire heritage in your DNA.. I don't blame you... but we really did good so far since we don't have oil beds like russkies... I doubt they could survive without it...

Germany had no chance of conquering the USSR. The USSR had technology on their side. In modern war, you don't win without technology.

in ww2 germans had the best tech in its time... They could conquer ussr at breakfast and get china for lunch with several blitzkrieg... but that damn crazy hitler forced the war-machine above capacity.. and the plan "barbarossa" had some weaknesses... conquering whole west and east europe, balkans, bombing british empire, naval wars with them, south africa battles were just crazy... then of course it's too much winning agaisnt a united british, france, usa, ussr all together... germans today could be a superpower if that crazy hitler had some sane..... as you will agree attacking side always has disadvantage still germans lost 4 million but killed 7 million russkie..

 

[olcayto]

There's very good saying in Turkish, for all the non-Russians in this threat who are having Russian fanboy problems.

Başkasının yarrağı ile gerdeğe girmek!

Good for you guys