'The truth about the failed Indian missiles'

[Lockheed F-16]

 

[metalfalcon]

Yaar this topic has been discussed here for a MILLION times now, Soon this Thread will become "Who's Missiles are better", Pakistanis will claim we have better Technology and Indians will claim the same and will say we have Longer Range than you guys.

Then it will be very difficult for the MODS to deal with this BS.

 

[Beskar]

Yaar this topic has been discussed here for a MILLION times now, Soon this Thread will become "Who's Missiles are better", Pakistanis will claim we have better Technology and Indians will claim the same and will say we have Longer Range than you guys.

Then it will be very difficult for the MODS to deal with this BS.

Lol, It IS an old video, however, there's no harm in posting it again because a lot of members haven't seen these videos and it's helpful for them.

If it's been discussed a million times before then we sure as hell can discuss it for another millionth time

 

[Lockheed F-16]

Lol, It IS an old video, however, there's no harm in posting it again because a lot of members haven't seen these videos and it's helpful for them.

If it's been discussed a million times before then we sure as hell can discuss it for another millionth time

Mainly it's helpful for our brain-washed Indian friends,isn't it?

 

[Beskar]

Mainly it's helpful for our brain-washed Indian friends,isn't it?

Lol, Yes it's helpful for EVERY member. These videos should be kept circulating lol!

 

[suresh_]

Lol, Yes it's helpful for EVERY member. These videos should be kept circulating lol!

new propaganda ploys to brainwash indians into believing that our missiles are inferior?!!

cyber war.

 

[Beskar]

new propaganda ploys to brainwash indians into believing that our missiles are inferior?!!

cyber war.

It says that you're a banned member for some reason. How come you're posting? Lol!

 

[BATMAN]

I enjoyed the part when it says 'celebrities of missiles' showing Abdulkalam, Putin and israeli fellow walking...I couldn't hold my laugh, only thing missing was perhaps AQ-Khan (father of indian nuclear programme)

I read bush administration was covertly transfering sensitive defence technology to indians in every product area.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/AsiaandthePacific/wm2250.cfm

 

[ju87]

wait this movie doesn't make sense

-reports confirmed 2 batteries of akash were ordered
-400 nags were ordered with 13 missile carriers
-trishul was a failure, but matri is being developed with french
-agni series are success (but not enough tests)
-pritivi is success, but prolly being phased out and replaced with Suroya

this is just the intergrated missile project or w.e.

the new projects have been successful

-shangarika successful
-shourya successful
-aad successful
-pad successful
-brahmos 20/21 tests were success

and the projects under development

-barak ng
-matri
-aad
-pad
-nirhbay LACM


-aad and pad need few more tests to be successful.


it isn't wise to call the program a failure if only trishul and maybe nag are unsuccessful. 3/5 isn't bad for ur 1st try.

and looking at ur missile program, i dont see anything special other than shaheen and gauri ballistic missiles. and to me they seem like the same missile with different names (they both have similar range and payload). and u guys have babur and raad cruise missiles, a great accomplishment. but from reports i've seen, u guys haven't tested ur missiles enough times either, looks like a doubled edge sword.

but point is u guys dont have any "advanced" missiles under development like SAMS, ABM, and anti-tank. while DRDO is working on almost every kind of missile, they're even working on 2 RLV's (1 for commercial use, 1 for military use). unlike DRDO ISRO has been very successful, and i wouldn't be suprised to see an rlv around 2015-2020.

Never mind the actual facts mate. From the looks of it, this thread isn't about facts.

 

[BATMAN]

India lags behind Pakistan in missiles
2 Feb 2009, 0217 hrs IST, Rajat Pandit , TNN

NEW DELHI: With active help from China and North Korea, Pakistan has surged well ahead of India in the missile arena. The only nuclear-capable ballistic missile in India's arsenal which can be said to be 100% operational as of now is the short-range Prithvi missile.

Though the 700-km Agni-I and 2,000-km-plus Agni-II ballistic missiles are being "inducted" into the armed forces, it will take "some time" for them to become "fully-operational in the numbers required".

Defence sources said the armed forces were still in the process of undertaking the "training trials" of Agni-I and Agni-II to give them the requisite capabilities to fire them on their own.

Of the two, the progress report of Agni-I, tested for the first time in January 2002 to plug the operational gap between Prithvi (150-350 km) and Agni-II missiles, is much better. The Army has already conducted two "user training trials", one in October 2007 and other in March 2008, of the Pakistan-specific Agni-I missile.

The fourth test of 3,500-km Agni-III, which will give India the strategic capability to hit targets deep inside China, is also on the anvil now. But Agni-III, tested successfully only twice in April 2007 and May 2008, will not be ready for induction before 2012.

Then, of course, design work on India's most ambitious strategic missile with near ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) capabilities, the 5,000-km range Agni-V, which incorporates a third composite stage in the two-stage Agni-III, is also in progress. "We should be ready to test Agni-V by 2010-2011," said an official.

So, in effect, the missile report card is rather dismal at present. "Unlike Pakistan, our programme is indigenous. But a strategic missile needs to be tested 10 to 15 times, over a variety of flight envelopes and targets, before it can be said to be fully-operational. A missile cannot be dubbed ready just after three to four tests," said an expert.

Keeping this benchmark in mind, only Prithvi can be dubbed to be fully ready. Defence PSUs like Bharat Dynamics Ltd, Bharat Earth Movers Ltd and Mishra Dhatu Nigam Ltd, in fact, are stepping up production of the different Prithvi variants.

Army, for instance, has orders worth Rs 1,500 crore for 75 Prithvi-I and 62 Prithvi-II missiles, while IAF has gone in for 63 Prithvi-II missiles for over Rs 900 crore.

Navy, in turn, has ordered Dhanush missiles, the naval version of Prithvi, with a 350 km strike range, for its "dual-tasked" warships, INS Subhadra and INS Suvarna.

India wants to gatecrash into the very exclusive club of `Big-Five' countries like Russia, US and China, which have both ICBMs (missiles with strike ranges over 5,500-km) and SLBMs (submarine-launched ballistic missiles), before 2015.

The SLBM quest is specifically crucial since it's the most effective and secure leg of the "nuclear weapon triad", with land-based missiles and aircraft capable of delivering nuclear bombs constituting the first two components.

The initial range of K-15 SLBM being developed by DRDO will, however, be limited to 750-km, far less than the over 5,000-km range SLBMs brandished by the `Big-5' countries.

The plan is to go for higher strike ranges after the initial K-15 missiles are integrated into the indigenous nuclear-powered submarines being built under the secretive ATV (advanced technology vessel) programme.

 

[ejaz007]

Beyond the BrahMos failure

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has done itself little good by claiming success in its test-firing of the BrahMos missile, till the media exposed the bogus nature of the claim. Even if the DRDO’s position is accepted that the performance of the missile was normal till the last phase, when it began malfunctioning, the fact that a weapon meant to hit a precisely identified target missed the target completely leaves little room for quibbling on the middle ground between between success and failure. Admittedly, such fiascos are not uncommon when it comes to sophisticated technological systems. But when such failures become frequent, as is the case with the DRDO, a proper investigation into the causes is called for, especially when the organisation’s claims about successes betray an unwillingness to look the facts in the eye.

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It is worth noting that the Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro), a similar publicly-funded research and development body, carried out recently the relatively more sophisticated Chandrayaan-1 moon mission with copybook precision in its maiden flight. Isro and the DRDO, therefore, represent studies in contrast. While Isro too has suffered failures, it has not tried to hide them. The best case in point would be the coincidental back-to-back mishaps of the Agni-III missile of the DRDO and the GSLV-FO2 satellite vehicle of Isro, both of which drowned in the sea on successive days in July 2006. Isro was forthright in admitting the failure and setting up a high-level probe, whereas DRDO even then maintained that the take-off was successful and the problem arose only subsequently. The scientific temper, as reflected in intellectual honesty, openness and dedication to work, that one finds in Isro seems missing in DRDO. Good project management, one of the significant factors in the Chandrayaan’s success, also seems to be wanting in DRDO, where projects routinely face cost and time over-runs, and even then failure to deliver the promised weapon systems. It is no wonder then that while DRDO fiddles with its projects, the defence services have to fall back on expensive imports.

Perhaps the comparisons are unfair to DRDO, which has to deal with a much wider array of technologies and more complex issues than Isro, which has a single-point objective and is mostly its own client (unlike DRDO, which is supposed to serve a largely sceptical defence establishment). But even when it comes to just missiles, there are instances of the DRDO giving up projects after working on them for years, and spending crores of rupees. The aborted bid to develop the surface-to-air Trishul missile was one such case. Not very different was the case of two other missile systems, Akash and Nag. Of the five missile systems that DRDO was to deliver, it can claim some success only with the long-range Agni and short-range Prithvi, though even these have had their problems—one result being that Pakistan has clear advantages when it comes to missile defence. In sharp contrast, Isro has delivered on the Chandrayaan mission at a low cost of under Rs 400 crore, the cheapest moon mission in the world, and now nurtures the ambition of putting a man in space and subsequently on the moon. The starting point of change has to be the recognition of one’s own shortcomings. That become difficult when DRDO wants to claim that failures are successes.

:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

 

[Lockheed F-16]

India lags behind Pakistan in missiles
2 Feb 2009, 0217 hrs IST, Rajat Pandit , TNN

NEW DELHI: With active help from China and North Korea, Pakistan has surged well ahead of India in the missile arena. The only nuclear-capable ballistic missile in India's arsenal which can be said to be 100% operational as of now is the short-range Prithvi missile.

Though the 700-km Agni-I and 2,000-km-plus Agni-II ballistic missiles are being "inducted" into the armed forces, it will take "some time" for them to become "fully-operational in the numbers required".

Defence sources said the armed forces were still in the process of undertaking the "training trials" of Agni-I and Agni-II to give them the requisite capabilities to fire them on their own.

Of the two, the progress report of Agni-I, tested for the first time in January 2002 to plug the operational gap between Prithvi (150-350 km) and Agni-II missiles, is much better. The Army has already conducted two "user training trials", one in October 2007 and other in March 2008, of the Pakistan-specific Agni-I missile.

The fourth test of 3,500-km Agni-III, which will give India the strategic capability to hit targets deep inside China, is also on the anvil now. But Agni-III, tested successfully only twice in April 2007 and May 2008, will not be ready for induction before 2012.

Then, of course, design work on India's most ambitious strategic missile with near ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) capabilities, the 5,000-km range Agni-V, which incorporates a third composite stage in the two-stage Agni-III, is also in progress. "We should be ready to test Agni-V by 2010-2011," said an official.

So, in effect, the missile report card is rather dismal at present. "Unlike Pakistan, our programme is indigenous. But a strategic missile needs to be tested 10 to 15 times, over a variety of flight envelopes and targets, before it can be said to be fully-operational. A missile cannot be dubbed ready just after three to four tests," said an expert.

Keeping this benchmark in mind, only Prithvi can be dubbed to be fully ready. Defence PSUs like Bharat Dynamics Ltd, Bharat Earth Movers Ltd and Mishra Dhatu Nigam Ltd, in fact, are stepping up production of the different Prithvi variants.

Army, for instance, has orders worth Rs 1,500 crore for 75 Prithvi-I and 62 Prithvi-II missiles, while IAF has gone in for 63 Prithvi-II missiles for over Rs 900 crore.

Navy, in turn, has ordered Dhanush missiles, the naval version of Prithvi, with a 350 km strike range, for its "dual-tasked" warships, INS Subhadra and INS Suvarna.
India wants to gatecrash into the very exclusive club of `Big-Five' countries like Russia, US and China, which have both ICBMs (missiles with strike ranges over 5,500-km) and SLBMs (submarine-launched ballistic missiles), before 2015.

The SLBM quest is specifically crucial since it's the most effective and secure leg of the "nuclear weapon triad", with land-based missiles and aircraft capable of delivering nuclear bombs constituting the first two components.

The initial range of K-15 SLBM being developed by DRDO will, however, be limited to 750-km, far less than the over 5,000-km range SLBMs brandished by the `Big-5' countries.

The plan is to go for higher strike ranges after the initial K-15 missiles are integrated into the indigenous nuclear-powered submarines being built under the secretive ATV (advanced technology vessel) programme.