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The Saudis want the US to help build a ‘nuclear Aramco’

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Jun 2, 2023

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Riyadh has proposed to visiting American leaders developing a joint U.S.-Saudi project to build the country’s civilian nuclear energy program, four people briefed on the plans told Semafor.

The project — referred to as “nuclear Aramco” — is designed to bolster Saudi Arabia’s ambitions to produce, and potentially export, atomic energy, while also addressing U.S. and international concerns about the proliferation of nuclear weapons technology.

The Biden administration has been holding discussions with Riyadh in recent months about defense and economic cooperation, as well as potentially normalizing diplomatic relations between the Saudis and Israel — a longstanding goal of U.S. foreign policy. Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has said he would consider forging diplomatic ties with Israel if, in return, the U.S. offers to help Saudi Arabia develop a civilian nuclear energy industry, provides stepped-up security commitments, and greenlights new arms sales to Riyadh’s military, according to those briefed on discussions.

The Saudis have specifically cited their state oil company, Aramco, as a model for how civil nuclear cooperation with the U.S. could progress. The company started in the 1930s as a partnership with John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil and was initially called the Arabian American Oil Co. Today it’s wholly Saudi-controlled and is among the world’s most profitable companies.

Under this nuclear partnership, the Saudis have told interlocutors, an Arabian American Nuclear Power Co. could be formed that would give U.S. companies and entities a direct role in the development and oversight of nuclear power development in Saudi Arabia. But the enrichment of uranium would still occur inside its borders.

“The Saudis say look: We will exploit the full economic value, but when it comes to enrichment … it could be an American facility, under American oversight, and secured by Americans,” said Mark Dubowitz, chief executive officer of the think tank the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, who’s met with senior Saudi officials in Riyadh seven times over the past year and a half.

He added: “Obviously, there are huge concerns over providing enrichment to the Saudis and what that would mean for proliferation throughout the Middle East, amongst allies and adversaries.”

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The U.S. has previously sought to ink a treaty with Saudi Arabia on civilian nuclear development known as a 123 Agreement, which requires Congressional approval and allows for the transfer of sensitive atomic equipment and materials. Such a deal would allow U.S. nuclear companies, like Westinghouse, to enter the rapidly growing Saudi market, and give American officials greater leverage to prevent material from being used for weapons development.

The negotiations, though, have repeatedly stalled over Riyadh’s demand that it produce the nuclear fuel for its reactors on Saudi soil.
The U.S. government has been seeking to make countries in 123 agreements source their fuel from foreign sources in order to prevent it from being diverted for military purposes.

But Saudi Arabia, which says it possesses 7% of the world’s uranium reserves, says it wants to become a player in the international nuclear fuel market, even potentially an exporter to the United States. Saudi Arabia’s energy minister, Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman, told a conference this year that “the Kingdom intends to utilize its national uranium resources, including in joint ventures with willing partners, in accordance with international commitments and transparency standards.”

The people who’ve discussed the nuclear Aramco idea with the Saudis recently tell Semafor that the issue is further complicated by Riyadh’s belief that it can simply turn toward China or Russia if the U.S. balks. Washington and Beijing are engaged in a heightened competition for influence across the Middle East and Asia. A decision by Crown Prince Mohamed Bin Salman to ally with China on nuclear power could permanently place Saudi Arabia in the Chinese camp, these people say.

President Biden’s National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan traveled to Riyadh this month and met with the crown prince to discuss energy issues, the White House said in a statement. “We do not discuss diplomatic conversations … and would note that much of the reporting on this particular issue has been false and exaggerated,” a National Security Council spokesperson told Semafor.

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It’s unclear if the Biden team would seriously consider the proposal. But it’s a reminder that the U.S. is facing nothing but hard choices as it tries to limit a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, driven by the rivalry between Riyadh and Tehran — a relationship that remains fraught despite their Chinese-brokered agreement in March to restore diplomatic ties. Israel, Iran’s arch enemy in the region, is believed to have a substantial nuclear weapons arsenal.

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Mohamed Bin Salman, who also serves as Saudi Arabia’s prime minister, has publicly stated that Riyadh will match any nuclear technologies Tehran develops, including, potentially, weapons. “Saudi Arabia does not want to acquire any nuclear bomb, but without a doubt if Iran developed a nuclear bomb, we will follow suit as soon as possible,” he told CBS in 2018.

The nuclear agreement that U.S. President Barack Obama struck with Iran in 2015 would have left the country with a vast domestic enrichment infrastructure, endorsed by the United Nations. Senior U.S. officials say they remain committed to reviving a version of that deal, even though they also haven’t ruled out using force to neuter Iran’s nuclear program. And Salman is unlikely to settle for any option that leaves Saudi Arabia with less capability than its arch-rival.

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Robert Einhorn, who served as a top counter-proliferation official in the Obama and Clinton administrations, told Semafor that the risks of allowing enrichment in the Kingdom were simply too high, given the Crown Prince’s comments on nuclear weapons. Einhorn said Saudi Arabia could simply nationalize any joint-nuclear project developed with the U.S. and other Western countries.

As an alternative, he developed a formula in 2018 that calls for the U.S. to sign a 123 Agreement with Saudi Arabia, but defers the issue of domestic enrichment for as long as 20 years. This would allow Washington and American companies to play a central role in developing Riyadh’s program, while still guarding against proliferation risks long-term. “I’d take that in a heartbeat,” he said.

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https://www.semafor.com/article/06/01/2023/saudi-us-nuclear-aramco
 
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The Korea Business Daily, citing Korean government and Korean nuclear energy officials:
Saudi Arabia has reported its intention to assign the construction of nuclear power plants to South Korea, but it is pressuring the United States to allow uranium enrichment and technology transfer to it, or to assign the project to China.


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Uranium laser enrichment​

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The laser process has long held the promise of cheaper uranium enrichment, but mastering it efficiently has so far proved elusive. Now, many think that GE Hitachi, which uses a proprietary enrichment technique known as separation of isotopes by laser excitation, or SILEX, may have finally found a way to make the method more efficient than processes involving gaseous diffusion or centrifuges (See Risky Business).

Although the exact details of the SILEX process are highly classified, it involves using a laser tuned to a specific frequency to siphon away the desired isotope uranium-235 from the gaseous form of uranium. This can then be used in nuclear fuels.

https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/31/033/31033873.pdf

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Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has said he would consider forging diplomatic ties with Israel if, in return, the U.S. offers to help Saudi Arabia develop a civilian nuclear energy industry, provides stepped-up security commitments, and greenlights new arms sales to Riyadh’s military, according to those briefed on discussions.​
So nothing about Palestinians in return. Remember when you said this. https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chin...with-technology-transfer.746311/post-13883790
No my friend.. Al Quds is the first Qibla of Islam.. Jews might not like it.. but KSA as the Muslim world's leader abide by this fact..

KSA allow others very close to it to normalize relationships with Usrael.. but don't ask for more.. UAE, Bahrain , Morocco, without mentioning the normalizations outside of it.. like Egypt and Jordan and many African countries.. but never ask or wish for Saudi Arabia normalizing with usrael without a two state solution with Al Quds as the capital for the new Palestinian state.. Anything else about KSA as far as Usrael is concerned is just a wet dream..
 
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China can make KSA and Iran hub of mini nuclear power plants. @beijingwalker This process according to Iranian is already started and Iran will receive Chinese assistance to transfer the required technologies.

Cooperation with USA is a waste. They won't teach you how to fish, they will just find a way to turn you into a milky cow.
 
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China can make KSA and Iran hub of mini nuclear power plants. @beijingwalker This process according to Iranian is already started and Iran will receive Chinese assistance to transfer the required technologies.

Cooperation with USA is a waste. They won't teach you how to fish, they will just find a way to turn you into a milky cow.
They don't care about being a milky cow. They live in luxury and that is about 100% of their priority. They pick America because they don't want to be sanctioned.
 
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China can make KSA and Iran hub of mini nuclear power plants. @beijingwalker This process according to Iranian is already started and Iran will receive Chinese assistance to transfer the required technologies.

Cooperation with USA is a waste. They won't teach you how to fish, they will just find a way to turn you into a milky cow.
Saudi Arabia wants nuclear weapons, not just nuclear power plants.
 
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Saudi Arabia wants nuclear weapons, not just nuclear power plants.
To do what or better to ask to counter whom? Having Hijaz inside its territory, makes it a sacred land to us. Nuclear bombs will destroy its peace and neutrality.

I don't think that it is on agenda of China or Iran to develop nuclear bombs.
 
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To do what or better to ask to counter whom? Having Hijaz inside its territory, makes it a sacred land to us. Nuclear bombs will destroy its peace and neutrality.

I don't think that it is on agenda of China or Iran to develop nuclear bombs.
According to your logic, why does Saudi Arabia need ICBM?

If Saudi Arabia only wants nuclear power plants, it does not need to exert such great pressure on the USA.

The era of multipolarity is approaching. Saudi Arabia is the leader of the Islamic world, and it has the ability and necessity to become a pole of the world. And nuclear weapons and ICBM are its necessities.
 
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According to your logic, why does Saudi Arabia need ICBM?

If Saudi Arabia only wants nuclear power plants, it does not need to exert such great pressure on the USA.

The era of multipolarity is approaching. Saudi Arabia is the leader of the Islamic world, and it has the ability and necessity to become a pole of the world. And nuclear weapons and ICBM are its necessities.
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According to your logic, why does Saudi Arabia need ICBM?

If Saudi Arabia only wants nuclear power plants, it does not need to exert such great pressure on the USA.

The era of multipolarity is approaching. Saudi Arabia is the leader of the Islamic world, and it has the ability and necessity to become a pole of the world. And nuclear weapons and ICBM are its necessities.
What you are saying is absolutely true.. the pressure is mainly about the full fuel cycle.. otherwise KSA would have had or be already building 16 or more nuclear reactor..
 
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What you are saying is absolutely true.. the pressure is mainly about the full fuel cycle.. otherwise KSA would have had or be already building 16 or more nuclear reactor..
I sort of agree that Saudi Arabia is the leader of the Islamic world. Saudi Arabia is the custodian of the two holy mosques.

So there is a big responsibility of Saudi Arabia to show a good image of Islam to the world.
 
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According to your logic, why does Saudi Arabia need ICBM?

If Saudi Arabia only wants nuclear power plants, it does not need to exert such great pressure on the USA.

The era of multipolarity is approaching. Saudi Arabia is the leader of the Islamic world, and it has the ability and necessity to become a pole of the world. And nuclear weapons and ICBM are its necessities.
Saudi Arabia wants to be Western.
This is the major thrust (90%) of their policy, with occasional balancing act with China and Russia. I don't think they have the desire or capability to lead the Islamic world. They have been involved in a bloody war in Yemen, to say the least.
 
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honestly i doubt USA do that for them considering a certain country influence around Mediterranean . if they want such things they must do it themselves , they have the money and a younger generation that can guided to contribute to the goal.
in my belief the best usa will offer them is what they agreed with india
 
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