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The political victimisation of Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy

another Calcutta veteran welcome sir welcome its an honor to have you in the club

:cheers:

hum angreizon ke ghulamon ki ek hi nishani ek hi pareshani Culcutta mein looti huween hamare buzurgon ek jawani !

(we the servants of the English , have this as our glory as well as the stigma of our legacy , we owe it to our elders services to the British during their hey days in the capital of the "Raj" Calcutta )

Hi,

My maternal grand father was studying in FC College Lahore when my great grand father---The Land Lord---ordered his son to join the govt---because there were hardly any educated muslims in the services.

And thus he ended in up stationed in Calcutta.
 
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The idea was to create a Socialist state in all of Bengal(and if possible Assam included)...even if Hindus and Muslims did have animosity a Socialist rule(usually secular and persuasive and controlling) would "sanitize" the relationship that would probably have lasted forever. People from the Eastern side of Bengal might or might not tolerate Hindu rule...but they definitely cannot tolerate being ruled by other races(They have been ruled by foreigners before but in most cases they had to assimilate and become Bengalis).

Um, we ARE from the Eastern side of Bengal :azn: Dhaka and Barisal. Just saying.

another Calcutta veteran welcome sir welcome its an honor to have you in the club

:cheers:

hum angreizon ke ghulamon ki ek hi nishani ek hi pareshani Culcutta mein looti huween hamare buzurgon ke jawani !

(we the servants of the English , have this as our glory as well as the stigma of our legacy , we owe it to our elders services to the British during their hey days in the capital of the "Raj" Calcutta )

True, but by all accounts, they had fun. Lunch at Firpo's, tea at Flury's (sometimes; it was more often a home thing), dinner with a friend and then the night club at Theatre Road. Films at the New Empire, the Lighthouse or the Metro, where Mr. Hafesjee always had a ticket or ten tucked away for special guests. A box at the races, and a flutter on New Year's Day after the revelry, polo at XMas....people returning from long parties in the early (and not so early) mornings would have to dodge the street washing, when every major street was washed down before the day began. Friday lunch was obviously at the Bengal Club, but patriotic Indians tended to stick to the Calcutta Club. The chhota sahibs were herded into the Saturday Club, and the ridin', huntin', fishin' types tended to gather at Tolly for the gym. The muddied oafs and flanneled fools found their own niche on the crossing of Store Road and Ballygunge Road, later Gurusaday Road and Syed Amir Ali Avenue, at the CC&FC. Chhota sahibs at the first place I worked, some years before I joined, were known to break off for rugger after a light lunch, and to come back into the office in their kit to sign whatever letters they had to sign even before going home for a shower and a cocktail. Boxwallahs were non-U, uniforms were very U, and Sonny and Paddy Nazarganj threw lavish Christmas parties; if you were anybody, you would get invited. The Army was all over, the ex-Army was even more all over. Pearson Surita's little brother Ivan was a retired Major with a Military Cross, Paddy Baker from the famous paint company was ex-Irish Guards, Pratul Lahiri was in circulation with his own brand of doggerel verses for every occasion, some when the ladies were present, many, many more when they were not - but we used to get chased out and off to bed by 9, anyway.

In 1961, it was the centenary year for the world's oldest polo club (second oldest technically; the oldest was Silchar, established by one Major General J. Shearer, which went belly up when the British withdrew), and the finalists were Ratanada and Calcutta Polo Club. Ratanada looked unbeatable; the legendary Hanut, the Rao Raja son (if you are a Rajput, you will understand the code) and his sons, Kanwar Bijay and Kanwar Hari, and one other, and on our side (yes, our side) Prem Singh of the 80 yard hits, Col. Alec Harper, still in India, someone whose name I can't recall, and a mystery Pakistani, playing with a carbuncle which he dosed with internal and external applications of brandy. It was a six chukker match, and at the end of four chukkers, all the ladies of Calcutta (remember the song?) were wrapped in gloomy but politely applauding silence, Pearson from the sound of it was already thinking about his brandy and soda after the commentary was to be over; Ratanada were 6 to 4 (it was an open handicap tournament), and two chukkers to go. And then the bloody lot got a 40 yarder. In a 60 yarder, you get to block the goal you are defending, in a 40 yarder, you have to leave it clear. Bijay cantered back - he was then playing 7 or 8, his father was playing 9 because Jaipur was playing 10 and you couldn't have a Rao Raja playing the same handicap as a ruling prince, which is why Hanut was known as the only 11 goal player in the world! - and it was clearly a goal before he even took the shot. Sure enough, he hit it lofted and it was aimed right between the goal posts flying in at about four feet from the ground. Suddenly there was a bay in full gallop in the way. The rider checked his pony just enough to stop the ball, it fell to the ground, he picked it up with a deft tap, a longer stroke and he was away, in glorious full gallop down the left side of the field, away from us in the stands, so that we could watch every magnificent bit of it. The stunned Ratanada team rallied and raced off madly to defend their goal, but it was all too late! There was a swashbuckling angled cut, and it was in the Ratanada goal! 6 to 5 and everybody screaming their lungs out, all the high society ladies, all the suited gentlemen, even the syces.

The rest was a dream. Alec Harper was an immovable rock, Prem hit 80 yarder after 80 yarder (those who have played know what this means, the equivalent of successive overs of sixes on each ball for a batsman) and the Pakistani was death on horseback. 6 all, then 6 to 7 for CPC, and on the final bugle, an exhausted, delirious stand saw Calcutta the winners by 8 to 6.

Those Pakistanis who know the game and its players will sit back and nod knowledgeably when I tell you who that cavalry-moustached gent was who turned the game - it was Brigadier Hesky Baig.

Hi,

If it comes to that----maybe Joe's dad ran into my grandfather as well---. My grandfather worked for the railways and was stationed in calcutta before partition-----.:enjoy::enjoy::enjoy:

Everybody knew everybody those days. Your granddad would definitely have known the Wrights. Bob Wright was the spitting image of David Niven, and was the son of Robin Wright, DIG Dacca Range, and Anne's father was a leading railway engineer.
 
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Whilst less relevant to Bengal, but slightly more relevant to the aspect of Pakistan and partition.
My great grandfather on my grandmother's side was a close friend of J Nehru (and prior to that M Nehru) to the extend that Nehru was a visitor to the house(still standing and still active in Indian politics). Hence, the side of the family was very congress leaning and opposed to Pakistan. The core reason he gave was that the lack of education and cultural evolution on that side meant that anything that would form out of what were the lands and peoples of Pakistan would be wrought with feudal elitism and be no different than with the British in it. A process that he said needs 50 years to turn the place human enough.

60 years down the line; I wonder how much of his ideas held true.
 
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Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy wanted separate country for Bengal not joining India or Pakistan but West Bengali elites rejected his proposal.

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The United Bengal proposal was the bid made by Bengali political leaders Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy and Sarat Chandra Bose to found a united and independent nation-state of Bengal.[1][2] The proposal was floated as an alternative to the partition of Bengal on communal lines. The initiative failed due to communal conflict between Muslims and Hindus that eventually led to the second partition of Bengal.

Proposal

With the support of the British governor of the Bengal province, Frederick Burrows, Bengali leaders issued the formal proposal on May 20:

  1. Bengal would be a Free State. The Free State of Bengal would decide its relations with the rest of India.
  2. The Constitution of the Free State of Bengal would provide for election to the Bengal Legislature on the basis of a joint electorate and adult franchise, with reservation of seats proportionate to the population among Hindus and Muslims. The seats set aside for Hindus and Scheduled Caste Hindus would be distributed amongst them in proportion to their respective population, or in such manner as may be agreed among them. The constituencies would be multiple constituencies and the votes would be distributive and not cumulative. A candidate who got the majority of the votes of his own community cast during the elections and 25 percent of the votes of the other communities so cast, would be declared elected. If no candidate satisfied these conditions, that candidate who got the largest number of votes of his own community would be elected.
  3. On the announcement by His Majesty's Government that the proposal of the Free State of Bengal had been accepted and that Bengal would not be partitioned, the present Bengal Ministry would be dissolved. A new interim Ministry would be brought into being, consisting of an equal number of Muslims and Hindus (including Scheduled Caste Hindus) but excluding the Chief Minister. In this Ministry, Chief Minister would be a Muslim and the Home Minister a Hindu.
  4. Pending the final emergence of a Legislature and a Ministry under the new constitutions, Hindus (including Scheduled Caste Hindus) and Muslims would have an equal share in the Services, including military and police. The Services would be manned by Bengalis.
  5. A Constituent Assembly composed of 30 persons, 16 Muslims and 14 non-Muslims, would be elected by Muslim and non-Muslim members of the Legislature respectively, excluding Europeans.
Failure

The Muslim League and the Congress issued statements rejecting the notion of an independent Bengal on May 28[dubiousdiscuss] and June 1 respectively. According to Mountbatten, Jinnah agreed to the proposal of a United Bengal though and it was only after Nehru and Patel rejected it that Jinnah agreed to the division of Bengal. The Hindu Mahasabha also agitated against the inclusion of Hindu-majority areas in a Muslim-majority Bengal, while Bengali Muslim leader Khawaja Nazimuddin and Maulana Akram Khan sought the exclusion of Hindu-majority areas to establish a homogenous Muslim Pakistan.

The proposal also made no mention of Bengal's status in the Commonwealth if it were to become independent, such as would it accept dominion status as was done later with the Union of India, the Dominion of Pakistan and Ceylon; or totally sever ties with the United Kingdom.

Amidst aggravating Hindu-Muslim tensions, on June 3 British viceroy Lord Louis Mountbatten announced plans to partition India and consequently Punjab and Bengal on communal lines, burying the demand for an independent Bengal.

United Bengal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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The same goes for a Bengali Muslim too, whether you like it or not.
what does my "liking" have to do with anything? there can be a fully ethnic Bengali whose mother tongue is Urdu and is a Muslim. especially because of the oppressive political climate in post-1971 BD (or even post-1952), more likely those Bengalis would at least know Bengali as second language, but it would not be a necessity to be a Bengali Muslim.

@khair_ctg
@SHK

On a peripheral note altogether, I believe that the terms should be Muslim Bangladeshi or Hindu Bengali (as in West Bengali). That is my personal hobby-horse, but I would like to present to you one piece of information and one only, that the adjective and the noun should be in the correct places. The noun in all cases is Bangladeshi or Indian; we can assign any adjective to it that we please. So, for instance, Urdu-speaking Bengali; or Saivite Bangladeshi.

I would like you to think about it; nothing needs to be done. :enjoy:
currently i personally prefer Bengal Muslim/Bengali Muslim and Bangladeshi Muslim
 
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Whilst less relevant to Bengal, but slightly more relevant to the aspect of Pakistan and partition.
My great grandfather on my grandmother's side was a close friend of J Nehru (and prior to that M Nehru) to the extend that Nehru was a visitor to the house(still standing and still active in Indian politics). Hence, the side of the family was very congress leaning and opposed to Pakistan. The core reason he gave was that the lack of education and cultural evolution on that side meant that anything that would form out of what were the lands and peoples of Pakistan would be wrought with feudal elitism and be no different than with the British in it. A process that he said needs 50 years to turn the place human enough.
60 years down the line; I wonder how much of his ideas held true.

just out of curiosity sir' could you please elaborate more on this
 
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what does my "liking" have to do with anything? there can be a fully ethnic Bengali whose mother tongue is Urdu and is a Muslim. especially because of the oppressive political climate in post-1971 BD (or even post-1952), more likely those Bengalis would at least know Bengali as second language, but it would not be a necessity to be a Bengali Muslim.


currently i personally prefer Bengal Muslim/Bengali Muslim and Bangladeshi Muslim

How does that work?? Forget Urdu...even if someone's mother tongue was Asamese(very close to Bangla)...I dont think anybody would call him a "fully ethnic Bengali".
 
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There seems to be no reason to believe that the Brits had any reason to encourage large scale killings in Bengal; or that they had any specific interest in Bengal being partitioned (or otherwise), unless Joeda believes that there might have been some British interests in plantations, but not altogether convincing.

This business of blaming some unseen hand (Brits in this case) seems to a way of escaping responsibility for our own acts, a hallmark of the weak.

Regards


1.Through the mischief of the Partition, the Brits designed that India's largest/richest and most politically conscious province / people of Bengal would be divided. And similarly the most industrious people / province of Punjab would be divided. But most of all, Brits as the apex power of WCC (Western Christian Civilization) in the region, sought to weaken the Hindustani Muslims through this division. The Brits knew well the cards they were playing. The remnant Indian bureaucracy / establishment and stooges like Gandhi and Nehru were used in this British conspiracy.

2. What have the Brits gained by this? Go to India and you will see the British and their protege aristocrats are still in power. The statues of British monarchs and generals, who had oppressed and massacred us, are still intact.Street names haven't been changed in most cases. The staff college of IA is at Wellington as a slap to the hero of heroes, Tipu Sultan.
 
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Now the milliMetternichs have taken over. Time to leave this thread.
 
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Um, we ARE from the Eastern side of Bengal :azn: Dhaka and Barisal. Just saying.



True, but by all accounts, they had fun. Lunch at Firpo's, tea at Flury's (sometimes; it was more often a home thing), dinner with a friend and then the night club at Theatre Road. Films at the New Empire, the Lighthouse or the Metro, where Mr. Hafesjee always had a ticket or ten tucked away for special guests. A box at the races, and a flutter on New Year's Day after the revelry, polo at XMas....people returning from long parties in the early (and not so early) mornings would have to dodge the street washing, when every major street was washed down before the day began. Friday lunch was obviously at the Bengal Club, but patriotic Indians tended to stick to the Calcutta Club. The chhota sahibs were herded into the Saturday Club, and the ridin', huntin', fishin' types tended to gather at Tolly for the gym. The muddied oafs and flanneled fools found their own niche on the crossing of Store Road and Ballygunge Road, later Gurusaday Road and Syed Amir Ali Avenue, at the CC&FC. Chhota sahibs at the first place I worked, some years before I joined, were known to break off for rugger after a light lunch, and to come back into the office in their kit to sign whatever letters they had to sign even before going home for a shower and a cocktail. Boxwallahs were non-U, uniforms were very U, and Sonny and Paddy Nazarganj threw lavish Christmas parties; if you were anybody, you would get invited. The Army was all over, the ex-Army was even more all over. Pearson Surita's little brother Ivan was a retired Major with a Military Cross, Paddy Baker from the famous paint company was ex-Irish Guards, Pratul Lahiri was in circulation with his own brand of doggerel verses for every occasion, some when the ladies were present, many, many more when they were not - but we used to get chased out and off to bed by 9, anyway.

In 1961, it was the centenary year for the world's oldest polo club (second oldest technically; the oldest was Silchar, established by one Major General J. Shearer, which went belly up when the British withdrew), and the finalists were Ratanada and Calcutta Polo Club. Ratanada looked unbeatable; the legendary Hanut, the Rao Raja son (if you are a Rajput, you will understand the code) and his sons, Kanwar Bijay and Kanwar Hari, and one other, and on our side (yes, our side) Prem Singh of the 80 yard hits, Col. Alec Harper, still in India, someone whose name I can't recall, and a mystery Pakistani, playing with a carbuncle which he dosed with internal and external applications of brandy. It was a six chukker match, and at the end of four chukkers, all the ladies of Calcutta (remember the song?) were wrapped in gloomy but politely applauding silence, Pearson from the sound of it was already thinking about his brandy and soda after the commentary was to be over; Ratanada were 6 to 4 (it was an open handicap tournament), and two chukkers to go. And then the bloody lot got a 40 yarder. In a 60 yarder, you get to block the goal you are defending, in a 40 yarder, you have to leave it clear. Bijay cantered back - he was then playing 7 or 8, his father was playing 9 because Jaipur was playing 10 and you couldn't have a Rao Raja playing the same handicap as a ruling prince, which is why Hanut was known as the only 11 goal player in the world! - and it was clearly a goal before he even took the shot. Sure enough, he hit it lofted and it was aimed right between the goal posts flying in at about four feet from the ground. Suddenly there was a bay in full gallop in the way. The rider checked his pony just enough to stop the ball, it fell to the ground, he picked it up with a deft tap, a longer stroke and he was away, in glorious full gallop down the left side of the field, away from us in the stands, so that we could watch every magnificent bit of it. The stunned Ratanada team rallied and raced off madly to defend their goal, but it was all too late! There was a swashbuckling angled cut, and it was in the Ratanada goal! 6 to 5 and everybody screaming their lungs out, all the high society ladies, all the suited gentlemen, even the syces.

The rest was a dream. Alec Harper was an immovable rock, Prem hit 80 yarder after 80 yarder (those who have played know what this means, the equivalent of successive overs of sixes on each ball for a batsman) and the Pakistani was death on horseback. 6 all, then 6 to 7 for CPC, and on the final bugle, an exhausted, delirious stand saw Calcutta the winners by 8 to 6.

Those Pakistanis who know the game and its players will sit back and nod knowledgeably when I tell you who that cavalry-moustached gent was who turned the game - it was Brigadier Hesky Baig.



Everybody knew everybody those days. Your granddad would definitely have known the Wrights. Bob Wright was the spitting image of David Niven, and was the son of Robin Wright, DIG Dacca Range, and Anne's father was a leading railway engineer.
Dada ,flury's bakery are or legendary rumballs, fruit cakes ,sir Apni aaj ke amar $5 Doughnut are coffee te (tea here in Canada is patla phika !) khorcha koriye dichen , Flury's er kotha sunar por are ki korte partam ei thanda te :hitwall:
 
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Asad bhai,

Go to India and you will see the British and their protege aristocrats are still in power.

What about Pakiland and BD, sir? Are you saying that British proteges are not in power there?

Street names haven't been changed in most cases.

That is of course not true. Curzon Road has become Kasturba Gandhi Marg, Kings Way has become Raj Path and as you wud doubtless be aware Aurangzeb Road has lately become APJ Abul Kalam Marg.

But most of all, Brits as the apex power of WCC (Western Christian Civilization) in the region, sought to weaken the Hindustani Muslims through this division.

This is a bit unclear. How about not partitioning India have helped the Muslims- they would have been a minority in the United India. At least with Partition, they are the ruling qaum in 2 out of the 3 parts of UI.

The remnant Indian bureaucracy / establishment and stooges like Gandhi and Nehru were used in this British conspiracy.

But our beloved Qaid too wanted partition. Are you saying nauzubillah that our Qaid too was a British stooge?

Regards


1. To some extent Pak feudals hold on to power. But we had done away with zamidars / landlords and banya money lenders long ago. Go to Mysore and you will see the British chamcha Wadyar's statues in marble all over the town. A Wadyar has always been a member of parliament. But go to neighboring Seringapatnam and the shabby way Hyder-Tipu's mausoleum are kept. Fyi, one of Tipu's descendants had tried to return from Kolkata and involve in public life. He was booted out. Traveling by road/train in Maharastra, Karnataka, Gujarat, Rajasthan you will see miles and miles of sugarcane, wheat or corn fields. There have been no land reform, and there is a mechanism to bar any change of ownership from the family that has owned this from the British time.

2. Interesting point you have brought out. Indian Muslims and all SA Muslims have been unhappy that Aurangjeb has thus been humiliated. There are many other roads / streets named after Tom Dick & Harry that could be re-named after APJ.

3. Islamic faith being superior and Muslims being culturally stronger, we would have gradually prevailed over the Hindus who follow a complicated pagan, divergent, contradictory and ritualistic faith from which educated Hindus generally seek to escape. Even in the number game, with around 600 mlln in 1. 4 blln wasn't going to be bad. Moreover, there were various constitutional guarantees discussed. That's why learned Muslims like Abul Kalam Azad, Allama Mashriqui and even Maulana Maududi had opposed Partition.

4. Among the SA leaders of that period only Netaji Subash and Jinnah were true patriots. Nehru was a compulsive womanizer; Gandhi was gay. Manipulating these flaws in personal character, the British pumped them up into power.
 
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1. To some extent Pak feudal hold on to power. But we had done away with zamidars / landlords and banya money lenders long ago. Go to Mysore and you will see the British chamcha Wadyar's statues in marble all over the town. A Wadyar has always been a member of parliament. But go to neighboring Seringapatnam and the shabby way Hyder-Tipu's mausoleum are kept. Fyi, one of Tipu's descendants had tried to return from Kolkata and involve in public life. He was booted out. Traveling by road/train in Maharastra, Karnataka, Gujarat, Rajasthan you will see miles and miles of sugarcane, wheat or corn fields. There have been no land reform, and there is a mechanism to bar any change of ownership from the family that has owned this from the British time.

2. Intersting point you have brought out. Indian Muslims and all SA Muslims have been unhappy that Aurangjeb has thus been humiliated. There are many other roads / streets named after Tom Dick & Harry that could be re-named after APJ.

3. Islamic faith being superior and Muslims being culturally stronger, we would have gradually prevailed over the Hindus who follow a complicated pagan, divergent, contradictory and ritualistic faith from which educated Hindus generally seek to escape. Even in the number game, with around 600 mlln in 1. 4 blln wasn't going to be bad. Moreover, there were various constitutional gurantees discussed. That's why learned Muslims like Abul Kalam Azad, Allama Mashriqui and even Maulana Maududi had opposed Partition.

4. Among the SA leaders of that period only Netaji Subash and Jinnah were true patriots. Nehru was a compulsive womanizer; Gandhi was gay. Manipulating these flaws in personal character, the British pumped them up into power.

Imo Pakistan movement was a secular liberal progressive Muslim movement. It was never religious movement to begin with, rather economical. Today also Pakistan and BD are ruled by liberal ideologies. That is why religious Islamic block opposed Pakistan. Because Pakistan was going to follow European style nation state nationalism which isnt permissible in Islam. They thought staying in India is better than that where they can stay united and unnecessary bloodbath can be avoided also. Bangladeshis were not that much religious from start and they wanted economic freedom that is why these religious groups became alien and minority. And after 71 they touched the lowest point of trust. If you ask me their ideology wasnt something out of the box.
 
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Dada ,flury's bakery are or legendary rumballs, fruit cakes ,sir Apni aaj ke amar $5 Doughnut are coffee te (tea here in Canada is patla phika !) khorcha koriye dichen , Flury's er kotha sunar por are ki korte partam ei thanda te :hitwall:

Bolen to bhalo cha pathaiya dimu. Kono din Kolkata byaratey aashen. Flury's - e khawar liga.Othoba Flury's-er kortripokkho-re dorkhasto kora dorkar - Canada-e branch khuluk.

Imo Pakistan movement was a secular liberal progressive Muslim movement. It was never religious movement to begin with, rather economical. Today also Pakistan and BD are ruled by liberal ideologies. That is why religious Islamic block opposed Pakistan. Because Pakistan was going to follow European style nation state nationalism which isnt permissible in Islam. They thought staying in India is better than that where they can stay united and unnecessary bloodbath can be avoided also. Bangladeshis were not that much religious from start and they wanted economic freedom that is why these religious groups became alien and minority. And after 71 they touched the lowest point of trust. If you ask me their ideology wasnt something out of the box.

@bongbang

Be prepared to have two packs at your heels. One pack of Pakistani and Bangladeshi bigots who think Pakistan and Bangladesh should have been like that. One pack of Indian bigots who think Pakistan and Bangladesh are like that.

1. To some extent Pak feudal hold on to power. But we had done away with zamidars / landlords and banya money lenders long ago. Go to Mysore and you will see the British chamcha Wadyar's statues in marble all over the town. A Wadyar has always been a member of parliament. But go to neighboring Seringapatnam and the shabby way Hyder-Tipu's mausoleum are kept. Fyi, one of Tipu's descendants had tried to return from Kolkata and involve in public life. He was booted out. Traveling by road/train in Maharastra, Karnataka, Gujarat, Rajasthan you will see miles and miles of sugarcane, wheat or corn fields. There have been no land reform, and there is a mechanism to bar any change of ownership from the family that has owned this from the British time.

2. Intersting point you have brought out. Indian Muslims and all SA Muslims have been unhappy that Aurangjeb has thus been humiliated. There are many other roads / streets named after Tom Dick & Harry that could be re-named after APJ.

3. Islamic faith being superior and Muslims being culturally stronger, we would have gradually prevailed over the Hindus who follow a complicated pagan, divergent, contradictory and ritualistic faith from which educated Hindus generally seek to escape. Even in the number game, with around 600 mlln in 1. 4 blln wasn't going to be bad. Moreover, there were various constitutional gurantees discussed. That's why learned Muslims like Abul Kalam Azad, Allama Mashriqui and even Maulana Maududi had opposed Partition.

4. Among the SA leaders of that period only Netaji Subash and Jinnah were true patriots. Nehru was a compulsive womanizer; Gandhi was gay. Manipulating these flaws in personal character, the British pumped them up into power.

There are so many mistakes, and so many libels in one short post that it is prohibitive to try and reply.

Not for nothing have I despised this fellow member so thoroughly, in every respect, including analytical ability. This post merely reinforces my beliefs.
 
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How does that work?? Forget Urdu...even if someone's mother tongue was Asamese(very close to Bangla)...I dont think anybody would call him a "fully ethnic Bengali".
but we are not talking about Assamese or Spanish. we are talking about Urdu. i'm saying there can be ethnic Bengalis (not Muhajirs) hailing from Bangladesh or West Bengal whose mother tongue is Urdu. i sense you are maybe trying to deny something very basic, but this is something very common among the educated Muslims of Bengal not long ago, besides people who could use Urdu as second language. because of the Urduphobic Muslimphobic grip by commie-Brahmins in BD, it's a shame so many people of our generation like you would deny some of our basic cultural facts.
 
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