The most important differences between the French Rafale and the European Typhoon, and how is the entry of a fighter as Typhoon into the Egyptian Air

[The SC]

The most important differences between the French Rafale and the European Typhoon, and how is the entry of a fighter as Typhoon into the Egyptian Air Force a qualitative leap?

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Both aircraft approach each other in the design philosophy and tasks of each other as they are of the same class of medium fighters as well as of the same generation 4 ++. However, there are some differences that forced the French side to exit from the European fighter program of the Typhoon and turn it into a fighter of its own and the countries that manufacture in a form. Typhoon subscribers are (Italy, Britain, Germany and Spain) and one of the most important reasons that led France to withdraw from this program is the basic design of the airframe should be suitable for CATOBAR carrier operations, which bear special requirements in terms of handling relatively high speed and low speed and have a nuclear bombardment capacity in short. She wanted a fighter that performs all tasks and is used on its aircraft carriers.

The Rafale excels in greater payload and flying at high, medium and very low altitudes and at speeds close to zero, while the Typhoon is characterized by a lower armament payload with its flight at high and very high altitudes and at speeds faster than the Rafale speed, and has better flow and maneuverability.

Regarding the radar, the RBE2 AESA Rafale excels in terms of less radar footprint, as well as tracking and searching capabilities, especially ground scanning and at various altitudes, while CAPTOR-M excels in greater range, accuracy and sophistication, and once CAPTOR-E AESA radar is integrated with Typhoon, it will have an advantage in the radar and greater development potential. Since the radar aperture is much larger, it can fit more T / R units for its Rafale AESA and will have a much wider field of interest. The latter capability would allow the Typhoon to make special use of the long-range capabilities of the Meteor missile by continuing to provide guidance to the missile while maintaining the maximum range of an incoming target.

The superiority of the Rafale in terms of stealth capabilities is due to its electronic warfare system, which is the SPECTRA electronic warfare system. However, in terms of the radar itself, the Typhoon radar is stronger and has a slightly lower concealment ability due to the technological superiority in favor of the Typhoon.

The price of the Rafale is lower than the price of the Typhoon, but the Typhoon's EJ200 engines are among the most effective military jet engines, and the uniquely low maintenance, replacement and fault-repair requirements help significantly reduce Typhoon's maintenance costs.

As for long-distance air-to-air engagements, the Rafale's RBE2 has an advantage against targets with a low radar cross-section due to the high performance of AESA types against these threats, while CAPTOR-M (has an advantage) against larger targets such as bombers or MiG-31 ' Foxhound due to a much larger opening and generally at a higher altitude during aerial engagements.

The Rafale excels in terms of offensive tasks and has been specifically designed for this purpose with very good air-to-air combat ability, but it excels in offensive missions and we noted that in what we mentioned earlier in the design and ability of its radar to draw ground maps with complete clarity, as well as its electronic warfare system, etc., while it excels. The Typhoon is in air-to-air combat missions and it is classified in the category of fighters of air superiority and air control, but it is not similar to its counterparts such as the Sukhoi-35 and F-15 in that it is of the medium fighter category and its radar signature is much less than them. its aerodynamic design that allows it to maneuver, especially in The high altitudes, as well as their high speed and greater radar range, and the advantage of horizontal scanning give it an advantage in such tasks.

The Rafale was missing long-range air-to-air missiles because it relied heavily on mica, which the radar version did not exceed 80 km, while the Typhoon had Meteor missiles with a range greater than 100 km BVR.
(The recent update of the F3R Rafale made it able to add Meteor missiles to its armament and there are currently upgrades to the MICA that are likely to increase the range).

In terms of air-to-ground munitions, the Rafale is currently the clear winner with the full French combined air-to-ground arsenal including the role of a nuclear strike. Hammer AASM has proven highly effective and accurate, with a good range for the bomb adapter kit although it is more expensive compared to the alternatives.

Almost both the Rafale and Typhoon have the same range, and the radar section is as low as 0.2 and 0.1 m 2.

In the end, adding the Typhoon to the Rafale will give the Egyptian Air Force a tremendous power in all the tasks assigned to it, as they are the most capable fighters to deal with the fifth generation fighters efficiently, and both fighters will compensate for what is lacking in the other in every sense of the word. It would be a very powerful launch for a giant air-to-air force that would bridge a large gap between the Israeli Air Force and the Egyptian Air Force, but it will be a burden on maintenance centers within the armed forces because at this time it will operate approximately 6 types of fighter aircrafts; Rafale, Typhoon, Sukhoi-35, MiG-29M, F-16 and Mirage-2000 fighters. This is a big burden, but what the armed forces will choose is, of course, the best option.


https://www.defense-arabic.com/2021/05/02/أهم-الاختلافات-بين-المقاتلتين-الرافا/

 

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The most important differences between the French Rafale and the European Typhoon, and how is the entry of a fighter as Typhoon into the Egyptian Air Force a qualitative leap?

​

Both aircraft approach each other in the design philosophy and tasks of each other as they are of the same class of medium fighters as well as of the same generation 4 ++. However, there are some differences that forced the French side to exit from the European fighter program of the Typhoon and turn it into a fighter of its own and the countries that manufacture in a form. Typhoon subscribers are (Italy, Britain, Germany and Spain) and one of the most important reasons that led France to withdraw from this program is the basic design of the airframe should be suitable for CATOBAR carrier operations, which bear special requirements in terms of handling relatively high speed and low speed and have a nuclear bombardment capacity in short. She wanted a fighter that performs all tasks and is used on its aircraft carriers.

The Rafale excels in greater payload and flying at high, medium and very low altitudes and at speeds close to zero, while the Typhoon is characterized by a lower armament payload with its flight at high and very high altitudes and at speeds faster than the Rafale speed, and has better flow and maneuverability.

Regarding the radar, the RBE2 AESA Rafale excels in terms of less radar footprint, as well as tracking and searching capabilities, especially ground scanning and at various altitudes, while CAPTOR-M excels in greater range, accuracy and sophistication, and once CAPTOR-E AESA radar is integrated with Typhoon, it will have an advantage in the radar and greater development potential. Since the radar aperture is much larger, it can fit more T / R units for its Rafale AESA and will have a much wider field of interest. The latter capability would allow the Typhoon to make special use of the long-range capabilities of the Meteor missile by continuing to provide guidance to the missile while maintaining the maximum range of an incoming target.

The superiority of the Rafale in terms of stealth capabilities is due to its electronic warfare system, which is the SPECTRA electronic warfare system. However, in terms of the radar itself, the Typhoon radar is stronger and has a slightly lower concealment ability due to the technological superiority in favor of the Typhoon.

The price of the Rafale is lower than the price of the Typhoon, but the Typhoon's EJ200 engines are among the most effective military jet engines, and the uniquely low maintenance, replacement and fault-repair requirements help significantly reduce Typhoon's maintenance costs.

As for long-distance air-to-air engagements, the Rafale's RBE2 has an advantage against targets with a low radar cross-section due to the high performance of AESA types against these threats, while CAPTOR-M (has an advantage) against larger targets such as bombers or MiG-31 ' Foxhound due to a much larger opening and generally at a higher altitude during aerial engagements.

The Rafale excels in terms of offensive tasks and has been specifically designed for this purpose with very good air-to-air combat ability, but it excels in offensive missions and we noted that in what we mentioned earlier in the design and ability of its radar to draw ground maps with complete clarity, as well as its electronic warfare system, etc., while it excels. The Typhoon is in air-to-air combat missions and it is classified in the category of fighters of air superiority and air control, but it is not similar to its counterparts such as the Sukhoi-35 and F-15 in that it is of the medium fighter category and its radar signature is much less than them. its aerodynamic design that allows it to maneuver, especially in The high altitudes, as well as their high speed and greater radar range, and the advantage of horizontal scanning give it an advantage in such tasks.

The Rafale was missing long-range air-to-air missiles because it relied heavily on mica, which the radar version did not exceed 80 km, while the Typhoon had Meteor missiles with a range greater than 100 km BVR.
(The recent update of the F3R Rafale made it able to add Meteor missiles to its armament and there are currently upgrades to the MICA that are likely to increase the range).

In terms of air-to-ground munitions, the Rafale is currently the clear winner with the full French combined air-to-ground arsenal including the role of a nuclear strike. Hammer AASM has proven highly effective and accurate, with a good range for the bomb adapter kit although it is more expensive compared to the alternatives.

Almost both the Rafale and Typhoon have the same range, and the radar section is as low as 0.2 and 0.1 m 2.

In the end, adding the Typhoon to the Rafale will give the Egyptian Air Force a tremendous power in all the tasks assigned to it, as they are the most capable fighters to deal with the fifth generation fighters efficiently, and both fighters will compensate for what is lacking in the other in every sense of the word. It would be a very powerful launch for a giant air-to-air force that would bridge a large gap between the Israeli Air Force and the Egyptian Air Force, but it will be a burden on maintenance centers within the armed forces because at this time it will operate approximately 6 types of fighter aircrafts; Rafale, Typhoon, Sukhoi-35, MiG-29M, F-16 and Mirage-2000 fighters. This is a big burden, but what the armed forces will choose is, of course, the best option.


https://www.defense-arabic.com/2021/05/02/أهم-الاختلافات-بين-المقاتلتين-الرافا/

After reading the above, one is inclined to believe that ultimately EF is better than the Rafale?

@SQ8 @Raider 21 @airomerix @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @LeGenD and other more informed members?

 

[SQ8]

After reading the above, one is inclined to believe that ultimately EF is better than the Rafale?

@SQ8 @Raider 21 @airomerix @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @LeGenD and other more informed members?

No and this seems more likely a marketing ploy by either an appointed agent in Egypt or directly by a manufacturer country. However, they have given a good picture of the differences in advantage between the EF and rafale. In a nutshell, the Rafale is the better all around multirole aircraft but the EF with CAPTOR E outperform it in BVR and if the tranche-3 aerodynamic addon(strakes and other enhancements) take place equal it in WVR.

 

[Titanium100]

No and this seems more likely a marketing ploy by either an appointed agent in Egypt or directly by a manufacturer country. However, they have given a good picture of the differences in advantage between the EF and rafale. In a nutshell, the Rafale is the better all around multirole aircraft but the EF with CAPTOR E outperform it in BVR and if the tranche-3 aerodynamic addon(strakes and other enhancements) take place equal it in WVR.

Why would an appointed egyptian agent favor one of the two just purchased.. If you said this was probably a paid commericial article by EF would have been believeable

 

[LeGenD]

After reading the above, one is inclined to believe that ultimately EF is better than the Rafale?

@SQ8 @Raider 21 @airomerix @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @LeGenD and other more informed members?

Between these two (and assuming Rafale F3R standard), it depends upon how the Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 4 (FGR4) is configured and equipped in terms of radar system and munitions to help shape its BVR engagement possibilities. For example, CAPTOR-E AESA will enable Eurofighter Typhoon FGR4 to utilize METEOR munition more effectively than Rafale F3R (2-way data link factor). Rafale F3R have significant EW capabilities to complicate BVR engagement possibilities of the opposing forces (versus itself) nevertheless. Skills (and experience) of the pilot(s) involved will also make some difference for either side.

Legacy Eurofighter Typhoon configurations with CAPTOR-M radar system will not cut it anymore.

 

[Gomig-21]

Why would an appointed egyptian agent favor one of the two just purchased.. If you said this was probably a paid commericial article by EF would have been believeable

I don't think an Egyptian agent had anything to do with the article TBH. I just think there is a lot of people writing commentary because of all the billions of $ in weapons packages that Egypt is purchasing in record time AND, having closed a contract for the additional 30 Rafales was really big news that when it was followed by also the fact that they are almost ready to sign a contract for a pair of A330 MRTT air refueling boom & drogue aircraft and a spy satellite, people are not even talking about that and fixated on the Rafale deal AND the possibility that the 24 Typhoons will be included in the Italian mega deal.

To me, seeing two of these:

in the EAF along with a spy satellite which is a HUGE DEAL to accompany the other military satellites Egypt is operating:

Along with the Egyptian Air Defense continuing to upgrade its capabilities, it has already received around 4 units of the French-made Ground Master GM400 Radar. GM-400 is a fully digital (AESA) long-range air defense mobile 3D radar system which has a maximum range of up to 515Km.

The Tankers are being prepped for delivery and soon the EAF won't have to rely on short range buddy-buddy A2A refueling and soon will have two tankers for a major strategic strategy improvement.
This is something that will soon be in Egypt and people are more concerned about the 24 Typhoons, which is ok, but this, to me, is MUCH BIGGER! lol

And all the Russian aircraft as well and I'm pretty sure most people know what these are specifically for.

As far as the Typhoon, I mentioned this earlier despite having 53 or 54 Rafales in the end, only half of that number will be available for combat duties simply because that's the way it works not every single fighter is 100% flyable at all times and many are grounded even for simple issue like missing a rivet or whatever.

My theory is they are so happy with the performance of the Rafales as well as the Typhoon after testing it that they might just use them to replace the older Mirage 2000s which I believe their numbers are even below 10 by now. Use them as a separate, specially dedicated unit under the newly developed domestic AESA data link sharing and sometimes they can act as escorts for the Su-35SEs or even Rafals. That just seems like the best way to introduce that platform into the EAF.

 

[BATMAN]